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InvisibleChronic7

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Souls?
    #7929505 - 01/25/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Do you beleive we all have a soul?

With the obvious fact we all were and all are one, this would mean we do not have individual eternal souls right?

We all just keep going through different forms of life.

I spent so much of my life beleiveing in having a soul but as im getting older and what i beleive is wiser, it seems to be up there with heaven and hell in the land of fantasy.

Sorry to any christians/catholics that read this, your values are awesome but your beleifs are just plain absurd in my eyes. Infact any religeon that beleives that whatever you do in this one little short lifetime defines whether you live in heaven or hell for all eternity just seem ridliculous!

I used to be catholic...


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929516 - 01/25/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I also doubt the existence of a soul. On the other hand I do believe we all have soles.


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Souls? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929520 - 01/25/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Of our feet?


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929522 - 01/25/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

The Freemasons and some Sufi mystics say that a soul (a crystallized identity that survives death) must be built...


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929523 - 01/25/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

What else?


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929533 - 01/25/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I used to work with a muslim girl and the she couldnt understand how ridiculous heaven and hell theory is, and she couldnt even understand the meaning of everyone being ONE.

She was even convinced of the whole 60 virgins waiting for you etc....

All religeons except Tao and buddhism and maybe some other eastern all seem to force theyre beleifs on you and try to make you live in fear of god.

I guess it reflects on the societies those people live in aswell, western government and some middle east always try to keep theyre citizens living in fear.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929543 - 01/25/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

The unchanging part of you. I don't think people change, only perceptions, outlooks and ideas. That point of being inside always remains constant.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Middleman]
    #7929544 - 01/25/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)


I dont understand how though, surely it goes onto being soemthing else, and seeing as that thing or soul is still part of the oneness, there are no separate eternal souls, just ONE?

Thats why our lives right now are so precious, because we will never be this again.


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Re: Souls? [Re: WScott]
    #7929554 - 01/25/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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WScottsdale said:
The unchanging part of you. I don't think people change, only perceptions, outlooks and ideas. That point of being inside always remains constant.




Once a:monkeydance:, always a :monkeydance:.:thumbup:


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Re: Souls? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929574 - 01/25/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

That unchanging part of you/us is still the oneness no?

Nothing is separate except in physical state it seems, all energy is connected, so when we die we are reborn again in new forms of energy.

With the life/death process on such alrge scales as stars and blackholes, everythiing must be reborn in some way or form to keep the cycle of energy flowing.

That seems most rational to my mind.

otherwise hell is one crowded place


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929611 - 01/25/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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chronic777 said:
otherwise hell is one crowded place




Oh yes. It is overpopulated. Look around.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929632 - 01/25/08 12:40 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Nothing is separate except in physical state it seems, all energy is connected, so when we die we are reborn again in new forms of energy.


This is also what I believe. But what is just as hard to grasp as anything else, (for me at least), is this process seems to be without end, or beginning.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Souls? [Re: prankster]
    #7929653 - 01/25/08 12:46 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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chronic777 said:
otherwise hell is one crowded place




Oh yes. It is overpopulated. Look around.





I get your joke but could never see our planet as hell, i see it as heaven. Everything is perfect the way it is i would not change one thing if i had the chance, i can say that in all honesty.

In dont mean to come off all high and mighty its just how i honestly feel.

I used to have a very bad view of the world, but now instead of being attached to all the suffering (which is brought by attachment) i just observe the beauty of everything. Or at least i try my hardest to!

When you men acting in jealousy and violence its pretty hard to see the beauty in that but, it happens for a reason


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Icelander said:
Nothing is separate except in physical state it seems, all energy is connected, so when we die we are reborn again in new forms of energy.


This is also what I believe. But what is just as hard to grasp as anything else, (for me at least), is this process seems to be without end, or beginning.





That is quite a conundrum but its all just one life death process, including the universe, there is no beggining or end, just life and death



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Re: Souls? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929779 - 01/25/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Nothing is separate except in physical state it seems, all energy is connected, so when we die we are reborn again in new forms of energy.


This is also what I believe. But what is just as hard to grasp as anything else, (for me at least), is this process seems to be without end, or beginning.




If you can wiggle your toes, the universe still grows.


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Re: Souls? [Re: WScott]
    #7929810 - 01/25/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Oh canada...


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929813 - 01/25/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

"If you can wiggle your toes, the universe still grows."

:thumbup::blazed:


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929818 - 01/25/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

That is quite a conundrum but its all just one life death process, including the universe, there is no beggining or end, just life and death


As far as we know. :wink: I never eliminate any possibility and I mean any possibility. There might be a God looking down on me right now.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929822 - 01/25/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

"There might be a God looking down on me right now."

THAT would be crazy.


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Re: Souls? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929833 - 01/25/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Indeed.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929838 - 01/25/08 01:29 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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chronic777 said:
Oh canada...




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