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Fraggin
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Ponder Fuel for Tripping Thought
#7929399 - 01/25/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Preface: This thought is in its purest form and is no way a degrading form of externalization about Native Americans. I do understand that Native Americans are people, like you and I, that deserve equal rights. I do not intend to incenuate that they ever were or are savages. Keep in mind that I am copying and pasting a journal entry, so the subject matter is in raw form. I thought the overall thought would be a good journey to take while tripping.
So I had a thought today on the way to work…. About Native Americans..
I was thinking about how regal they were in their own environment and habitat. I also pondered the possible ways they experienced evolution and how their ways and culture existed in it’s pureset form before settlers forced their own culture upon them.
Were these humans the product of evolution of primates? Or something more regal such as the mountain lion? (silly thought yes)
Look at the way they hunted buffalo. Very similar to the way a pack of lions rushes a herd of antellope. Awesome Raw Fearless Power.
What if we allowed them to continue to live out their culture and preserve the endless praries in where they lived...
I know it would seem impossible. But what would have happened if we treated them with the same manners and intentions that we protect the wildlife on a refuge? If it were possible...
Would they be the same people today?
And considering they did evolve, which we know they did over the years..
How did they evolve was it use of shamanic herbs and substances?
I don't necessarily expect 'answers' to these questions, but wanted to more or less offer these thoughts as a path to a great fantasy to ponder while under the influence of the same shamanic substances used by the native americans themselves.
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Middleman

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Re: Ponder Fuel for Tripping Thought [Re: Fraggin]
#7929430 - 01/25/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I think they would have remained relatively the same on the outside, but like Mckenna said, they weren't interested in machines, they were developing a technology of the sacred.
Now even the SA Shamans that have been left alone are forgetting their knowledge.
The NA Shamans did a better job at keeping their medicines secret than the SAs, my great grandmother was a full blooded Ojibwe and she said medicine men used to write their methods on birch bark, when they were forced off of their original land, the birch bark scrolls were burned...
I suspect that they were smoking the DMT rich root bark of Desmanthus illinoensis, a little pine.
If not that, they probably had the same DMT+MAOI=oral effect tech as the SAs...
There are All Kinds of DMT and MAOI containg plants in NA, they had thousands of years to discover them, and they only took a hundred years to forget.
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Fraggin
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Re: Ponder Fuel for Tripping Thought [Re: Middleman]
#7929945 - 01/25/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Middleman said: I think they would have remained relatively the same on the outside, but like Mckenna said, they weren't interested in machines, they were developing a technology of the sacred.
Our Culture was Not their Friend.
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Re: Ponder Fuel for Tripping Thought [Re: Fraggin]
#7934166 - 01/26/08 09:50 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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There is no difference between the indian of yesterday and the indian of today except in their minds. Those who felt the sanctity of the elements still exist, and it is easy to make a connection with the holy sanctity of space element which cannot be sullied and so which remains ever fresh. No unfresh un sacrosanct element will ever exist as all of them will just keep getting more and more costly until people almost worship all of them. Soon water, soon air, as precious as gold. The elements are ever fresh. It's people who grow stale.
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Re: Ponder Fuel for Tripping Thought [Re: Fraggin]
#7935025 - 01/26/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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I think about this sort of thing quite a bit, but why stop at Native Americans?
I think it would be extremely interesting to see ANY culture isolated long enough.
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