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48 Hour Dunk Experiment.
    #7929366 - 01/25/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

After 1st flush, I dunked 8 brf/verm cakes in water and left at room temperature for 48 hours.
When I drained the water off, they had a fermented smell. Each cake was 3x the weight of what they were before I dunked them...

I didn't expect them to put out, but after 24 hours of being in the FC, they are already starting to trun from a dull grey/blue into brilliant white.

Just wanted to let everyone know I was doing this experiment..


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7929431 - 01/25/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

it is no experiment. I used to dunk them for a few days


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: tahoe]
    #7929439 - 01/25/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Aren't they prone to bacterial infection if they are dunked that long at room temperature instead of being refrigerated?


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: pazzy]
    #7929713 - 01/25/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Yes


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: tahoe]
    #7929931 - 01/25/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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tahoe said:
it is no experiment. I used to dunk them for a few days




Well there you have it folks, dunk away...


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7930347 - 01/25/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

correct me if I'm wrong but usually a 24h soak is recommended for birthing why would you birth 48h on a second flush especially if it increases risk of contamination?

do you roll it in verm again as well?


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #7930375 - 01/25/08 03:25 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

No rolling second time around.

1st flush uses up all the moisture content in the cake.

I fear no contams since I incubate and fruit in temps below 75F.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #7930642 - 01/25/08 04:15 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Myc is pretty resistant to contams for the first few flushes. Fanning, misting and breathing around your cakes "increases risk of contamination" too.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: FooMan]
    #7930686 - 01/25/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Fanning and misting increases contamination risk? That's news to me. Fanning lowers contamination risk, and misting supplies moisture that is needed to keep the mycelium healthy.
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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7930773 - 01/25/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

...Unless you fan them with your dog's tail.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: 04281969]
    #7931037 - 01/25/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

or the air you just farted in


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: Seventy]
    #7931080 - 01/25/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

or your dander filled beard


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7932833 - 01/25/08 11:57 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Fanning and misting increases contamination risk? That's news to me. Fanning lowers contamination risk, and misting supplies moisture that is needed to keep the mycelium healthy.
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I should have said could increase contamination risks. Like using shitty water to mist, overmisting, fanning with unclean hands, exposing the substrate during hand fanning, etc. The point was for the guy not to worry about soaking the cakes so much. Better?


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: FooMan]
    #7933064 - 01/26/08 12:45 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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I should have said could increase contamination risks. Like using shitty water to mist




You mean like using Fi-C-T? Fi-C-T is the ultimate misting solution for your cakes...


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: Seventy]
    #7933091 - 01/26/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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or the air you just farted in




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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: meatcakeman]
    #7934168 - 01/26/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Or misting and fanning the same time by sticking out your tongue and blowing...


As has been said many times, it's a matter of allowing your water to become stagnant. They need FAE.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: 04281969]
    #7934257 - 01/26/08 10:28 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I always felt that manual fanning was to strong, and that it tends to blow any spores down deep into your sub.

I know I will get corrected for saying this but IMHO, if you have enough holes in your FC, and a perfect ultra sonic misting schedule, there is no need for manual fanning or manual misting.

Rehydrate your perlite before replacing spent sub.

I have learned this from experience, not posts, and I can honestly say that I stopped manually fanning years ago with no noticeable increase in contams or aborts, and a lot less time and effort.

The temp differences between your sub, FC, the cool water drops from the ultra, and the room the FC is in are usually great enough (2-3 degrees) that natural convection is occuring constantly.

With enough holes in your FC the FAE is always sufficient.

This manual fanning and manual misting thing is dogma IMHO.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: DoctorRobert]
    #7934509 - 01/26/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I dunk for 12 hours now, I see no difference with 24 hours.


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: Fraggin]
    #21728873 - 05/27/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i am using your "i fear no contams" quote as my signature. k thx


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Re: 48 Hour Dunk Experiment. [Re: AegisEpoch]
    #21729514 - 05/27/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:ducklol:

oh Faggin hasn't been around in over 3 years :uhoh:


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