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Mormonism and the inverted pentagram
    #7929274 - 01/25/08 12:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"The pentagram with one point upwards repels evil, but a reversed pentagram, with two points upwards, is a symbol of the Devil and attracts sinister forces because it is upside down and because it stands for the number 2. It represents the great Goat of the witches' sabbath and the two upward points are the Goat's horn." (The Black Arts, Richard Cavendish (G.P.Putnam's Sons Publishing; 1967, p.265).

"The spiritual knowledge of the Five-pointed Star is identical with its practical application. Let us beware that the figure is always well drawn, leaving no open space, through which the enemy can enter and disturb the harmony existing in the Pentagon. Let us keep the figure always upright, with the topmost triangle pointing to heaven, for it is the seat of Wisdom, and if the figure is reversed perversion and evil will be the result" (Magic - White and Black, Franz Hartmann, M.D., Newcastle Publishing, 1971,pp.290-291).

"Inverted Pentacle. The sacred symbol of Witchcraft often is misunderstood because of associations of the inverted pentacle, with single point down and double points up, with the infernal. If an upright five-pointed star represents God or the deity, then the reverse typically represents Satan...In Europe, some Witches have used the inverted pentacle to denote the second-degree rank. This use has declined, because of the association of the symbol with Satanism" (The Encyclopedia of Witches and Witchcraft, by Rosemary Ellen Guiley, Facts on File, Inc., 1989, p.266)


Mormon Temple in Nauvoo, Illinios

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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929313 - 01/25/08 01:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

This kind of superstition puts the "primitive" folk to shame.:crazy2:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Icelander]
    #7929376 - 01/25/08 01:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Superstition...??


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929462 - 01/25/08 02:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

????


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929471 - 01/25/08 02:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

High ranking occultists often start their own fraudulent religions for the sole purpose of extracting the monetary and emotional energies of their followers.

The most successful of these have been L.R. Hubbard and Joseph Smith.

The up and down pentagrams are more about give and take than good and evil...


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7929479 - 01/25/08 02:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Can you elaborate on 'give and take'...??


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929501 - 01/25/08 02:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

In some occult circles the inverted pentagram is said to draw energy in and the upright projects it out.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7929517 - 01/25/08 02:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Like the cup and the athame? Pretty basic phallic/vaginal symbology.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Veritas]
    #7929535 - 01/25/08 02:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

On the surface it is all about the "rose" and "cross" but all symbols have many layers of subtle significance depending upon the context in which they're used.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7929549 - 01/25/08 02:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It seems to me that the symbols which we (humans) have invested with the most power all relate back to our sexuality. The power to create life, inspire ecstasy, connect two as one...we're impressed!


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7929555 - 01/25/08 02:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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In some occult circles the inverted pentagram is said to draw energy in and the upright projects it out.




Would you agree that people do the same depending on their personality??


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Veritas]
    #7929571 - 01/25/08 02:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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It seems to me that the symbols which we (humans) have invested with the most power all relate back to our sexuality.  The power to create life, inspire ecstasy, connect two as one...we're impressed!




Just acting out the biological imperative. (using symbols:doggystyle::lol:)


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Veritas]
    #7929575 - 01/25/08 02:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Veritas said:
It seems to me that the symbols which we (humans) have invested with the most power all relate back to our sexuality. The power to create life, inspire ecstasy, connect two as one...we're impressed!




So true, the unification of opposites is what it's all about on every level...


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7929579 - 01/25/08 02:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

...and discovering that the opposites were not really opposed. :wink:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Veritas]
    #7929615 - 01/25/08 02:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Separated for the sake of love, for the chance of union.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Icelander]
    #7929624 - 01/25/08 02:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Veritas]
    #7929808 - 01/25/08 03:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"connect two as one...we're impressed!"


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7930504 - 01/25/08 05:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_young

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliphas_Levi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram

I'm wondering if Brigham Young, who lived contemporaneously with Eliphas Levi, was influenced at all by Levi. I'm also wondering about a dark Gnostic element based upon this symbol which was adopted by Anton Szandor LeVey for his Chrurch of Satan:

Here, a name of the Gnostic Demiurge, (sometimes identified as YHVH over and against the Christian 'God the Father' - a benevolent Deity), Samael ['The Blind God'] and Lilith, the first wife of Adam (who refused to be 'on the bottom' and flew off from Adam to consort with demons. Orthodox Jews still make talismans to prevent Lilith from sucking the life from newborn babies, as she is vampyric in legend). Nevertheless, this is symbol represents a demonic union of the Demiurge and His first female creation, Lilith.

At any rate, the only Mormon I've known was a bright but paranoid schizophrenic student who comingled his beliefs with his delusions, and shared an old Mormon prejudice against Blacks. Mormon belief has certain Gnostic elements including the wive's of God, which parallels 'celestial wives' of human men. In either case, marriage and sexuality exist in Heaven. There are complexities in Mormonism that make Gnostic myths seem simple by comparison and since there is a dark side to certain non-Christian Gnostic systems (like Crowley's OTO) I wonder how much occult thought really contributes to Mormonism.

Inasmuch as early Mormons practiced polygamy (52 wives for old Brigham Young!) there seems to be an implicit 'worship' of the Feminine, and Aphrodite-Venus was one of the most well known representative of the sexual aspect of the Feminine. Venus is the 'evening star' and the 'morning star.' Goddess worship became associated with the devil, but the Pagan and later Baphomet symbols are cosmicized sexuality. Sexuality occurs in the Godhead with God and His wive's in Mormon mythos, so in putting this collage together, I'm not surprised as the symbolism on the temple.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7931934 - 01/25/08 10:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You just had the picture upside down, that's all....



And order is restored.....    :grin:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7933812 - 01/26/08 08:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, you have to walk in on your hands :lol:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7934138 - 01/26/08 11:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Mormons wear funny underwear, of course they have a Satanic symbol. Search for "Mormon undergarments" for a laugh.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: fivepointer]
    #7935236 - 01/26/08 03:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Is it funny or is it dead serious?? Like blood oath shit.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: fivepointer]
    #7935431 - 01/26/08 04:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Mormons wear funny underwear




They have Satan dancing on their genitalia :naughty:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7935438 - 01/26/08 04:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I take these symbols very very seriously.:bongload:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935606 - 01/26/08 05:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:But, if these symbols merley represent the power to draw in energy or project it out...
The constant sight of a symbol may be all you need to keep you in trance.
I noticed the look in those missionaries eyes.
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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935643 - 01/26/08 05:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Right on, people don't realize the power that symbols have on their subconscious minds...


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: Middleman]
    #7935683 - 01/26/08 05:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Right.
My mind is a fucking stack of jenga blocks...
Symbols are the blocks.
Working on stacking blocks, I guess.
Thing won't stay together.
Something about pyramids and eyes I assume.
I want only one block in my stack, aliens.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935808 - 01/26/08 05:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Is it funny or is it dead serious?? Like blood oath shit.



It is dead serious. They wear "sacred" underwear.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: fivepointer]
    #7935821 - 01/26/08 05:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Jeez...
You're absolutely right.:thumbup::lol:


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: fivepointer]
    #7935845 - 01/26/08 05:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Is it funny or is it dead serious?? Like blood oath shit.



It is dead serious. They wear "sacred" underwear.




So, what you wanna say is that they secretly worship Satan?


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7935993 - 01/26/08 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If they can send people all over the world and funnel that shit up to the top...

That's something.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7940686 - 01/27/08 04:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What total bullshit. I just had to put in my 2 cents after reading the primary post.


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7941088 - 01/27/08 06:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I like the bas-relief in the picture, especially the sunstone and was curious how many rays were on the sunstone, so...
check out the first link that this search brings up.

[url=http://www.google.com/search?hl==bas-relief+pentagram+temple+mormonism+and+symbolism&spell=1]PDF Document

I had trouble posting the PDF directly.

This is cool too. It has a page that you can click on each o f the symbols on a temple.http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/whited/eastweb/index.htm


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Re: Mormonism and the inverted pentagram [Re: falcon]
    #7943341 - 01/28/08 01:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the attempt, but fundamentalist explanations of 'occultism' are so horribly slanted and exaggerated that those who produce such documents are themselves liars of the worst sort. The last straw was the "Witchcraft Tree of Life" as the caption for an intentionally distorted (lolly-pop tree-shaped0 Kabbalistic glyph. Masonic and Eastern Star (for females, since Masons still don't admot females) symbolism is most probable for the Mormon symbolism, but the exaggerations, IMO, are nothing less than paranoid ideation in the service of fundamentalist 'Christian' propaganda.


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