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Invisiblederanger
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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7934254 - 01/26/08 10:27 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Icelander said:This doesn't make sense to me. If something is "most real" to you then you have thought about it and conceptualized it.




Yes I can only conceptualize it here on these forums, or whenever I am reflecting back on the experience.  But when engaged in deep meditation or trance, those moments have a feeling of realness, or completeness to them that is different then when engaged in thought.  Thought feels illusory to me, like another form of imagination.  But this is just how I feel, it is very subjective.  It doesn't have to make sense to you :stoned:


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OfflineJoseLibrado
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Re: The Trap [Re: deranger]
    #7934700 - 01/26/08 12:12 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

This is an amazing thing that has been happening to me more now than ever.

But all this talk leads me to ask;

What are you going to activley do?

Besides opening up to people and speaking about social fears that everyone faces regularely, or preaching on the street corner about the word of God or speaking for the word of truth.

I think there is alot more going on in social situations and it has to do with emotional energy vibrations and unique psychic powers that we have little knowledge of how it affects us.

This usually is what makes chat about what you are going to do, fall through after the first time you do it.

I think that fear is another huge if not the biggest factor that limits us...and witnessing your fear as unreal is what helps you change it. I find turning all of the lights off in the house and sitting there in the dark is a good excercise because alteast for me it allows you to see the nature of the mind and fear, but also allows you to see that your fear is unjustifiable and irrelevant as long as you do not immerse your emotions in it.


HERES the next Question.

SHARE ANY EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE HAD IN PUSHING YOUR SOCIAL FEARS AND OVER LOOKING THE PRECONDITIONINGS?

ALSO SHARE ANY IDEAS ON HOW TO BETTER TRASNCEND THEM, DURING THE SOCIAL SITUATIONS?

One time i talked to a guy in the changeroom naked for like 5 minutes. It was quite fun. I told a group of guys that i used to have sex with my cousins when i was 8-12 years of age. I speak about social fears and 'weaknesess' on the bus where there are large groups of people and i begin to get anxious and fearful.

I find looking at these things like a challenge and openly going against those programmed feelings, helps me feel better and like im in a game.

I look at it as a challenge because i know what the truth is that i believe, but i feel challanged by the programms to not live the truth.

What TRAPS me in these instances is believing the fear to be rational and being angry towards myself, or feeling guilty towards myself because i was not able to see through the program and acted on fear.

I think the only reason i do this is because although i do deem not being able to live truth and eliminate ate the truth and induce love, as negative. And when i feel these emotions i express them to what i think the orgin of them is, me, instead of the thoughts themselves, which cause me to feel and act in certain ways....

I know that i am not the cause of the feelings, because irrational thoughts are what cause fear, anxiety, nervousness, shyness and limit the spirit to create conciously throught he mind and body. And although i recognize that there must be a thinker that is thinking these things and causing them to occur, i notice that the thinker itself is not the orgin, because a thinker without anything to think about would not feel much fear, anxiety or nervousness. I thus see the orgin as a thought and try to bypass directing that energy at the THinker(myself the thinker), and directing it towards what will make it go from negative to positive, the rearranging of thought frameworks.

I am writing a book about this and i will post it up here. when im done, have fun, and challenge it all, oh and dont forget, LOVE!

:heart:


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: The Trap [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7935187 - 01/26/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I agree with you completely. One of the reasons that my posting here declined a bit was because I started to see no value in discussions that were not practically oriented. I don't care about the meaning of life, Jesus, Buddha, morals, ethics, coulds, and woulds, etc... or any of that shit. I care about the fact that I have life and what will I do with it...not what I COULD do with it...but what I WILL do with it. I offer that challenge to all here. Move and act. Discussion is only useful to devise a plan to act...for paractical outcomes...not to consider what  WOULD happen if I DID act becaue I am too stoned, programmed, lazy, drunk, fried, etc to act.




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Philosophy is a vice.


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Invisiblejustamonkey
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Re: The Trap [Re: Middleman]
    #7942699 - 01/27/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

You know why I come to the Shroomery? Cause a large man sitting in front of his monitor was reading it, and I wanted to know what was so damn interesting.

I still haven't found anything. Its been a few years now too.


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7943042 - 01/27/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

yeah icelander, i always fucking see questions with no answers and not only do i agree with you about the distractions

but i see the same god damn fucking questions.
or maybe someone changed a little bit.

i mean its fun to discuss certain things and i love reading some of them and just see others ideas...

but god damnit already.


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I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.



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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: The Trap [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7944344 - 01/28/08 09:09 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I agree with you completely. One of the reasons that my posting here declined a bit was because I started to see no value in discussions that were not practically oriented. I don't care about the meaning of life, Jesus, Buddha, morals, ethics, coulds, and woulds, etc... or any of that shit. I care about the fact that I have life and what will I do with it...not what I COULD do with it...but what I WILL do with it. I offer that challenge to all here. Move and act. Discussion is only useful to devise a plan to act...for paractical outcomes...not to consider what  WOULD happen if I DID act becaue I am too stoned, programmed, lazy, drunk, fried, etc to act.




:winner:

Philosophy is a vice.




There is truth to this but having vices is human nature.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7945459 - 01/28/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Icelander said:
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MushmanTheManic said:
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I agree with you completely. One of the reasons that my posting here declined a bit was because I started to see no value in discussions that were not practically oriented. I don't care about the meaning of life, Jesus, Buddha, morals, ethics, coulds, and woulds, etc... or any of that shit. I care about the fact that I have life and what will I do with it...not what I COULD do with it...but what I WILL do with it. I offer that challenge to all here. Move and act. Discussion is only useful to devise a plan to act...for paractical outcomes...not to consider what  WOULD happen if I DID act becaue I am too stoned, programmed, lazy, drunk, fried, etc to act.




:winner:

Philosophy is a vice.





There is truth to this but having vices is human nature.




The Balance - The Moody Blues

After he had journeyed,
And his feet were sore,
And he was tired,
He came upon an orange grove
And he rested
And he lay in the cool,
And while he rested, he took to himself an orange and tasted it,
And it was good.
And he felt the earth to his spine,
And he asked, and he saw the tree above him, and the stars,
And the veins in the leaf,
And the light, and the balance.
And he saw magnificent perfection,
Whereon he thought of himself in balance,
And he knew he was.

Just open your eyes,
And realize, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart
And that's a start.

And he thought of those he angered,
For he was not a violent man,
And he thought of those he hurt
For he was not a cruel man
And he thought of those he frightened
For he was not an evil man,
And he understood.
He understood himself.

Upon this he saw that when he was of anger or knew hurt or felt fear,
It was because he was not understanding,
And he learned, compassion.

And with his eye of compassion.
He saw his enemies like unto himself,
And he learned love.
Then, he was answered.

Just open your eyes,
And realize, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart
And that's a start.

:thumbup:


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda


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