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The Trap
    #7929049 - 01/25/08 09:34 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Questions without answers. Why are we here? What created this? What is the ultimate meaning of existence? Is there a God?

I'm not saying there is no benefit in these questions. I'm saying they are often a trap that keep us from dealing with the tough questions for living that we can answer but that take work, commitment, and often feeling uncomfortable. Changing our programs that really don't work for us.

I think that most of the threads here are more distraction then investigation. Threads about mental health often go mostly ignored and  a thread about whether Jesus did or did not do this or that goes on for weeks.:crazy2:


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7929100 - 01/25/08 09:55 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

distractions indeed. whoever said P&S should stand for Purposively Arguing Slowly was right on the ball :yesnod:

this whole place is a limbo that we come to because we are not ready to fully take everything on just yet, and i mean this in more than one way, and not in a Christian sense although you could think about it that way if you like


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Re: The Trap [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7929120 - 01/25/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

this whole place is a limbo that we come to because we are not ready to fully take everything on just yet,

Oh I agree.:lol:


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7929133 - 01/25/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

what's funny? you think i'm only talking about myself? i think that pretty much applies to everyone if you really understand what i am saying


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Re: The Trap [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7929148 - 01/25/08 10:11 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Don't be paranoid. I meant all of us.

I laugh because human nature is funny and that line "Oh I agree" is from the movie Bladerunner when he was about to be beaten to death by an android. The Android said " It's terrible having an itch you cannot scratch". He looked up at him all bloody and said ....


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7929251 - 01/25/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Icelander said:I think that most of the threads here are more distraction then investigation.




I think all engagement in conceptualization is distraction from what is most real to me. Although, what is real to me may be illusion to you and vise-versa... to each their own I guess.


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Re: The Trap [Re: deranger]
    #7929329 - 01/25/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I think all engagement in conceptualization is distraction from what is most real to me.

This doesn't make sense to me. If something is "most real" to you then you have thought about it and conceptualized it. How else could you even express it here? You believe something is real. That's perception and thought goes along with it.


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7929972 - 01/25/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I have to sort of agree. Some people are given to feeling things nonconcptually. We can also conceptualize but within are more like feelings and intuitions that don't lead straight to conclusions or even formative conceptualizations. Kind of like when getting a blow job, most thoughts leave the mind.


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7930277 - 01/25/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I agree with you completely. One of the reasons that my posting here declined a bit was because I started to see no value in discussions that were not practically oriented. I don't care about the meaning of life, Jesus, Buddha, morals, ethics, coulds, and woulds, etc... or any of that shit. I care about the fact that I have life and what will I do with it...not what I COULD do with it...but what I WILL do with it. I offer that challenge to all here. Move and act. Discussion is only useful to devise a plan to act...for paractical outcomes...not to consider what WOULD happen if I DID act becaue I am too stoned, programmed, lazy, drunk, fried, etc to act.


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Re: The Trap [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7931331 - 01/25/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Don't mince words Hue. If you got something to say how about just coming out with it.:grin:

I do agree.:thumbup:


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7931559 - 01/25/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Threads about mental health often go mostly ignored and  a thread about whether Jesus did or did not do this or that goes on for weeks.:crazy2:




Which of these two topics were more prevalent when we were brought up....?
Which one fires people up enough to respond....?
Drama is like an attention vacuum, and has it's own distinct sucking sound.....!    :lol:

Some of the more interesting threads to me are the ones that I don't have a lot of knowledge in - which usually leaves me with nothing original to add....
It is also cool to see original ideas (original to me), but as soon as one sticks it out there, someone else is ready with an ax to chop it off and bury it....

"MY imagination is better than YOUR imagination"....

Eeeehhh....    :ohwell:


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Re: The Trap [Re: Icelander]
    #7932250 - 01/25/08 09:20 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Minced words are unhealthy. Like whole foods, whole words are much healthier. I think that this is your best thread in months. I wonder why it has not accrued many pages by now?


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Re: The Trap [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7932545 - 01/25/08 10:32 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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I wonder why it has not accrued many pages by now?




Um, because there is no 'hook'. Where is the multicolored cosmic mystery, where are the extra-dimensional beings who beam light from their foreheads? Where are the unicorns prancing gayly in the flower-filled meadows of green and gold surrounded by comely wood-nymphs?

Look, we need some flavor with our medicine. The plain truth of life is often unpalatable unless dipped in wasabi or a nice hoison sauce.

Presentation, presentation, presentation!

Comprende, compadre?


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Re: The Trap [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7932586 - 01/25/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I don't think that the truth of life is unattractive. It is only unattractive when one is frightened to act. Only then does it need the sweet sugar coating. When one does act in the face of fear or contrary programming it feels really sweet. To actualize ones dreams into reality...to be all that you ever thought you could be and then push it farther hints at a whole world of adventure waiting just on the other side of that membranous barrier called fear.


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Re: The Trap [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7932673 - 01/25/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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to be all that you ever thought you could be



Huehue Republican-paid subliminal programming: JOIN THE ARMY!

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...hints at a whole world of adventure waiting just on the other side of that membranous barrier called fear



Perhaps, but sometimes on that other side of the barrier lies extreme pain or even death.

I watched film of one 25 yo guy doing some impossible extreme free climbing. When he got to the top, he made exuberant comments similar to yours. He died on his next outting. Was it worth it? That is up to the individual.


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Re: The Trap [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7933784 - 01/26/08 06:04 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

God is just another theory on how we all came about. Just like the Big bang, it is NOT FACT. It is ignorant to say that 'God exists' or that 'the big bang created the universe', because no one knows for sure.
All we can do is accept the most likely and reasonable explanation.


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Re: The Trap [Re: hillbilly32]
    #7933944 - 01/26/08 08:23 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

there is an art and a science to asking good questions.
some are koans.


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Re: The Trap [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7933953 - 01/26/08 08:25 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Huehue Republican-paid subliminal programming: JOIN THE ARMY!




Not my intention, but I WAS a soldier once, and I thought it was a very valuable lesson. It taught me deep disrespect for authority, and to never just do what I was told.

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I watched film of one 25 yo guy doing some impossible extreme free climbing. When he got to the top, he made exuberant comments similar to yours. He died on his next outting. Was it worth it? That is up to the individual.





Well I wasn't referring to climbing, which I do participate in. (It can also be done with caution and safety...like with ropes and belay. Soloing IS NOT common and I do not do it)I was refering to any situation that inspires fear. Meeting social fears is often more challenging than meeting physical fears, and every bit the adventure. The path of adventure is in challenging our habitual patterns whatever they may be and dropping our roles and labels. The Army challenges one (falsely) to be all one can be, but the challenge I issue is to be anything that you can be.


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Re: The Trap [Re: hillbilly32]
    #7933955 - 01/26/08 08:26 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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God is just another theory on how we all came about. Just like the Big bang, it is NOT FACT. It is ignorant to say that 'God exists' or that 'the big bang created the universe', because no one knows for sure.
All we can do is accept the most likely and reasonable explanation.




It's a trap !

The big bang is a scientific theory which still stands OK before experimental verifications, which explains lots of stuff and which predicted at least a few novel things. "Science vs. religion" proponents will use the false assumption that it claims to explain how the universe was created, yet the only thing it does is describe and explain the evolution of the universe at a very early time, not its "creation". The first cause argument is flawed in that it assumes causality in a realm where time is ill-defined.

As for your vanilla flavored god, it's an unscientific hypothesis which is just as much a trap as the question it tries to answer.


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Re: The Trap [Re: deimya]
    #7934113 - 01/26/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)



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