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ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales?
    #7925569 - 01/24/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I have very recently transplanted from California to NSW. I spent a week south of Coffs Harbour and was really fascinated with the mushrooms I found there that were different from what I had been finding in California a week previous.

These looked like cubensis to me, I ended up throwing them because I wasn't sure for a few reasons. 1) They were growing on rotten hay bales near pastures with cows, not actually in the pasture though. I spent quite a bit of time looking around in the pastures and did not find any others like these. 2) Staining blue. I have never found an active or seen a stain occur with my own eyes. I am colorblind so have difficulties discerning shades, everyone says it is obvious but I can't really tell. These stained very slowly over the course of hours and when I broke the stem it stained a little bit around the break but not like I expected where the whole thing would turn dark blue or black.









* Habitat
In NSW, Australia south of Coffs Harbour. Growing on rotting hay bales near cow pastures.
* Characteristics of the gills
The gills are adnexed and grey, becoming black with maturity.
* Characteristics of the stem
The stems are between 6 and 10 cm long and about 1.5 cm thick. Golden brown near the base fading to white at the top. They have the distinctive annulus which is there to catch the spores.
* Characteristics of the cap (diameter,color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc)
From 6 to 10 cm wide. Thick. Convex and slightly umbonate when young, in maturity turning flat or concave but the umbo remains apparent. The umbo is a golden brown and fades to white/cream towards the edges.
* Spore print color
I would call it black and vigorous. The spores kept falling and falling thick on the paper.
* Color that the mushroom bruises
Black or very dark blue?
* Scent of the mushroom
It smelled like I remember mushrooms smelling in the parking lots of Grateful Dead shows. But that might just be wishful thinking. ;-)


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7925583 - 01/24/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

well that certainly looks like P. cubensis ..looks promising


the spore print should be dark purplelish
..I say its a cube :thumbup:


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7925595 - 01/24/08 06:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

In the second photo you can see where I knicked the stipe with my fingernail and it turned what I would call black. The photo was taken the next day.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7925638 - 01/24/08 06:23 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Looks like them. Fresh Ps. cubensis blue very quickly. Next time wait a few seconds and then take the photo. The bruising in the Second photo is green... blue+yellow=green. So i'd say just make sure they bruise blue, and that they have dark gills, or purple brown spore deposits on the veil. Young ones will have light gills until the spores have matured.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7925656 - 01/24/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

those are definately cubensis, nice finds man.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7925869 - 01/24/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Ha ha, thanks Curecat. Green? Wow, i am worse than I thought. :-)

Bummer I didn't trust my ID then and dry them properly. I ended up tossing them when they got a bit moldy after sitting around in the humidity.

They are beautiful, proud looking mushrooms though. I'll look forward to seeing them again. And thanks once again to all the Shroomery folks offering their knowledge and experience here.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7926440 - 01/24/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

yes cultivated Psilocybe cubensis bruise blue rather quickly, but with wild P. cubensis they sometimes will not noticeably blue for up to a hour it seems at times. and on some rare occassions a wild cubensis will really not blue at all..

nice finds thirdwire. they look healthy. those were growing in those spots because dung was there at one point somehow, not from just the hay or straw itself.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7927224 - 01/24/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

> those were growing in those spots because dung was there at one point somehow, not from just the hay or straw itself.


Are you sure about that?

The last time I bought P. cubensis from a drug dealer, there were clumps of hay or straw attached to most of the stem bases.

I get the feeling that a lot of the bulk grows use straw as the substrate.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7927640 - 01/24/08 11:42 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

yes alan, i am relatively certain about that. sure in the past i have Cultivated mushrooms from pasturized straw and even hay, but i do not believe that species will just grow wild from a bale of hay just sitting there (though subbalteatus do)

i mean, it is not like you are walking in a cow pasture and find a petri dish with gelatinized agar on it and white rhizomorphs from Psilocybe cubensis growing on it (not very often at least). and you do not just walk through a pasture and find many sterilized substrate bags of birdseed or grains colonized with Psilocybe cubensis mycelium either, not often at least, unless somebody put it there for you to find. but most farmers do not do that, and substrate bags usually do not fall out of the sky and land in a cube field. not too common

and by the way cactu sent me a message and said he is in south america right now working until march, computers are not too common in those jungles, but he does have a camera


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #7928413 - 01/25/08 03:37 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Good move thirdwire, welcome to the top of the world.

Yep, not plenty but reasonably common find in my area to find cubes not on dung. I suspect that most of these finds were on locations where dung used to be, it rots away quickly. Right now the grass is growing so fast that it has levitated entire cow pats off the ground, no bullshit, might try for a pic tomorrow. After this happens the pat thins and falls to pieces quickly. So I think the spot may already be primed for some fungi.


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7928416 - 01/25/08 03:41 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:


The last time I bought P. cubensis from a drug dealer, ...






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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7928444 - 01/25/08 03:59 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
> those were growing in those spots because dung was there at one point somehow, not from just the hay or straw itself.


Are you sure about that?

The last time I bought P. cubensis from a drug dealer, there were clumps of hay or straw attached to most of the stem bases.

I get the feeling that a lot of the bulk grows use straw as the substrate.



They will also fruit of vermiculite and grain flour in a controlled setting.... but not in the wild.

That said, I'm not completely convinced that spores could not have germinated on the hay itself. That may not have been the case in this instance, but I certainly wouldn't put the idea out of mind..


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: thirdwire]
    #8514601 - 06/12/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i live right near coffs in a little town called bellingen and the shrooms we get grow in paddocs their cubies im pretty chure i eat em they work its good and they stain infront of yourr eyes its normal


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Re: ID: Ps Cubensis on hay bales? [Re: organik trip]
    #8515781 - 06/12/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Don't get too specific with your locations please! 
Also, punctuation.  You didn't use ANY punctuation.  That is a difficult to read, run-on sentence.  Please put a little bit more effort into communicating.


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