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    #7925348 - 01/24/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925353 - 01/24/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

mescaline, dmt. both can be obtained legally


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925356 - 01/24/08 05:36 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

you can try to grow some shrooms? just an idea


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925394 - 01/24/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I live in an apartment so growing anything is out of the question. Unfortunetely, cause I would def like to try to grow shrooms. I think I might be able to successfully just from the info I learned on this site. What's easiest? San Pedro seems easy but also a little hit-or-miss. Any other forms of mescaline?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: boomer q]
    #7925403 - 01/24/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Me grow shrooms, you grow shrooms, we grow shrooms, everyones trippin on shrooms.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: boomer q]
    #7925413 - 01/24/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

you live outside philly and cant get anything??? doesn't sound right.. but i hear DMT is easy to get in the NYC area.
but you could try some salvia before you go looking for shit. sound be in you local headshop


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925425 - 01/24/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

What's DMT? I have no experiences with it or know any one who has. If it's cough syrup or something than forget it.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925462 - 01/24/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

i woudlnt reccomend a cough syrup to you man, lmao

DMT is a wonderful psychedelic you can either smoke its freebase and trip nutsack, usually results in ego death.

or you can ingest in orally in ayahuasca and have a similar experience, except longer (3-5 hrs), this almost always involves vomiting. pretty heady shit


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7925483 - 01/24/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

How do I obtain this legally? Does it need to be extracted from a plant or something? Is the trip like acid?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925489 - 01/24/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

the only thing on this earth that is like acid is, in fact LSD. nothing else comes very close.

im not gonna go into how to obtain it legally, search the interwebs.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7925498 - 01/24/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

i havent had anything as of yet that could be comparable to lsd, shrooms are not that similar niether is dmt they are all psychedelic but lsd is a very special compound. :shrug:


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7925534 - 01/24/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I totally agree on the very special part. I have tripped roughly 30 or so times, taken shrooms only a few, and I def like acid WAY better. It's just not available in my area. So I guess I'm screwed.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925649 - 01/24/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

2ci is fairly close to lsd. but of course it is something all to itself. but there are similarities between the 2.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7925668 - 01/24/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

the only RC is have tried that came close to that unique tryptamine feeling LSD gives you is 4 aco mipt. Very unique feeling, its effects did not resemble LSD's, i just havent found another tryptamine that had as unique feeling. 4-hydroxy compounds felt more like shrooms to me.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7925753 - 01/24/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Can you explain to me what 2ci, 4 aco, and RC are?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925759 - 01/24/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Can you explain to me what 2ci, 4 aco, and RC are?




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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: psycho.reactive]
    #7925864 - 01/24/08 07:12 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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you live outside philly and cant get anything??? doesn't sound right.. but i hear DMT is easy to get in the NYC area.
but you could try some salvia before you go looking for shit. sound be in you local headshop




I just don't have any connections anymore. Lost contact with them during my clean-up/get-my-life-together phase, where I spent a lot of time on my own. I would never just travel to another state and just start asking for something.
I have ordered and tried some salvia 10x. Me and my girl finished all of it in 2 bowls, and barely felt anything. I might have had some light, floaty feeling, but I think it was just anticipation of something to come. Which it didn't. I haven't tried it since, my girlfriend convinced me that it may be a waste, unless I could find a good source. Local headshops do not carry salvia (Must've watched some of those you-tube vids of people smoking it). Not to mention the effects are very short lived from what I hear. I want something that will give me hours of good feelings. I can't stop thinking about the days when I have done acid. It seems to me like I was living in a totally different time, place, and mindset.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7925889 - 01/24/08 07:16 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

RC means Research Chemical, a category into which the latter two abbreviations fall (them being psychedelic chemicals). Research Chemical status basically just means a drug hasn't been tested extensively, if at all, and isn't technically considered safe for human use, although some RC's have an extensive, if brief, history of human use with no apparent negative side effects.

There have been a few overdoses, but if you do your research, make sure you know exactly what you have, and dose moderately, then this isn't a likelihood at all. I'm sure you can find LSD if you try enough, though. Follow the music scene, or just talk to people about it. I spent almost a year not being able to find anyone with acid a while back, now I can get it by the vial pretty easily. It just depends on who you speak to.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7926236 - 01/24/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I'd try a cold water infusion of LSA seeds with peppermint oil added...

Should be LSD-like...


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7926428 - 01/24/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

why not try some good old fashioned ALD-52


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: doitagain]
    #7926483 - 01/24/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Can you post a link to the cold water infusion method. I have searched and it seems like all the links I saw in various LSA related posts are no longer any good.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7926575 - 01/24/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I'd suggest learning to acid/base extract mescaline from San Pedro. DMT from various plants as well.  The DMT can be taken orally with other extracted plants (harmala from Syrian Rue) for an experience with minimal nausea similar to mushrooms.  Poke around Erowid for instructions. 

Salvia takes awhile for many to learn how to get any effects, search/google the web for 10x.  It takes some persistence but is well worth it IMO.

And check out the cultivation forums here, the PF tek is beginner friendly. :sun:


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7926577 - 01/24/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)



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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: doitagain]
    #7928412 - 01/25/08 03:37 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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why not try some good old fashioned ALD-52




so how do you go abotu getting soem of that?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7928445 - 01/25/08 03:59 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

yeah, all these damn ALD's and 2C's and DOB's and C-3PO's etc. do you just gotta be near a school campus where smart people make smart drugs for themselves?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7928451 - 01/25/08 04:06 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Who says people in apartments can't grow shrooms?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7928453 - 01/25/08 04:13 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Who says people in apartments can't grow shrooms?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: monkeybus]
    #7928484 - 01/25/08 04:39 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Hold up my man smoked 2 bowls of salvia and didnt get anything. If your a noob to a drug please research. Probably didnt hold it in, or have it heated enough. sorry to backtrack.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: monkeybus]
    #7928485 - 01/25/08 04:41 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Hold up my man smoked 2 bowls of salvia and didnt get anything. If your a noob to a drug please research. Probably didnt hold it in, or have it heated enough. sorry to backtrack.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: doitagain]
    #7928492 - 01/25/08 04:47 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Hold up....my man smoked 2 bowls of salvia and didn't feel anything. Please if you are a noob to a drug do your research. Probably didn't hold it in or get it hott enough. Also u used a bowl. Its doable just not recommended. Salvia is awesome>>>>>>&gt;>TO ME<<<<<<<&lt;<<. But try your hands at some beginners AYA.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7928498 - 01/25/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Unfortunately the only hallucinogen you can "obtain" legally is salvia right now.. untill its banned.. You can obtain DMT containing bark or plants then ILLEGALLY extract it, but once you take it from earth and mix it with chemicals to extract its illegal and its manufacturing a (schedule 1?) drug

Same with extractng any other illegal substance (cactus/mescaline)


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7928505 - 01/25/08 04:54 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Can you explain to me what 2ci, 4 aco, and RC are?




This guy sounds like a kid or a narc lol

www.google.com or http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php has all the info you need.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7928507 - 01/25/08 04:55 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

also check out www.erowid.org for any drug or pharmy or plant or whatever related information


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: implee]
    #7928509 - 01/25/08 04:58 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Unfortunately the only hallucinogen you can "obtain" legally is salvia right now.. untill its banned.. You can obtain DMT containing cactus then ILLEGALLY extract it, but once you take it from earth and mix it with chemicals to extract its illegal and its manufacturing a (schedule 1?) drug




i would much beg to differ as im sure many others would to.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7928793 - 01/25/08 07:50 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Unfortunately the only hallucinogen you can "obtain" legally is salvia right now.. untill its banned.. You can obtain DMT containing cactus then ILLEGALLY extract it, but once you take it from earth and mix it with chemicals to extract its illegal and its manufacturing a (schedule 1?) drug




i would much beg to differ as im sure many others would to.




uh what cactus has DMT in it? im not aware of any.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7928804 - 01/25/08 07:56 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

thats what I'm saying plus salvia is far from the only legal hallucinogen you can get.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7929569 - 01/25/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

oops sorry i meant treeLOL let me fix that cactus = mescaline mimosa bark = dmt


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7929581 - 01/25/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Alright i fixed it thanks for the heads up highc :crazy2:


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: doitagain]
    #7929767 - 01/25/08 01:11 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Peruvian Torch man, mescaline is kind of acid like but more gentle and feels more like rolling. I don't know about getting RCs.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7929798 - 01/25/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Unfortunately the only hallucinogen you can "obtain" legally is salvia right now.. untill its banned.. You can obtain DMT containing cactus then ILLEGALLY extract it, but once you take it from earth and mix it with chemicals to extract its illegal and its manufacturing a (schedule 1?) drug




i would much beg to differ as im sure many others would to.




uh, theres really no arguing the legality of dmt and mescaline when they are isolated, the result of extraction


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: implee]
    #7930993 - 01/25/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Can you explain to me what 2ci, 4 aco, and RC are?




This guy sounds like a kid or a narc lol

www.google.com or http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php has all the info you need.



I am neither one of those. I am 27 yrs old. I dislike all types of law enforcement (had my fair share of run-ins with the law, none of them good). I could prove this to you if you would like. Sorry I haven't heard of all these 2c, 4aco, ald-52. Maybe i've been out of the loop too long?


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7931025 - 01/25/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

bombness u can get legally
1. mescaline
2. dmt
3. lsa
4. kratom
5. kava
6. salvia
7. dxm
8. amanita

kratom isnt a hallucinogen but kava suposidly is but i dont see a difference in my visual field


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7931062 - 01/25/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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Hold up....my man smoked 2 bowls of salvia and didn't feel anything. Please if you are a noob to a drug do your research. Probably didn't hold it in or get it hott enough. Also u used a bowl. Its doable just not recommended. Salvia is awesome>>>>>>&gt;>TO ME<<<<<<<&lt;<<. But try your hands at some beginners AYA.




Is it better to use a bong or something. I did do some research before ordering, and while waiting for it to come. I used a butane style lighter since I read salvia must be heated more than just from a Bic lighter. I think I just got some bogus shit. It took a loooong time to receive, during which I had to e-mail the company twice. They gave me some bullshit excuses about why it was taking so long. I should have researched a better source most importantly. I am more than willing to give it another go, but wont until I know a good place to buy it from. E-mail me if you know any.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7931234 - 01/25/08 06:03 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

The old world classics are still available.

Shrooms would probably be the easiest to deal with in an apartment. No chemicals needed for processing. (Water extraction of LSA can give you cramps and nausea.)


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: TheEric]
    #7931604 - 01/25/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

The best non psychedelic alternative to psychedelics is lucid dreaming. If you want one hell of a trip, learn to become lucid in your dreams.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: Grylls]
    #7931626 - 01/25/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Learning to become lucid in your dreams can take years. I like to be in a lucid dream-like state while actually awake. That's whats fun to me.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: rick0909]
    #7932029 - 01/25/08 08:40 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Honestly, in my opinion the closest thing to lsd is lsa.

In my experience it is most like lsd in some very important ways.

However to call it a substitute doesnt really make sense.

If the question was, "what psychedelic is most like lsd", then id say lsa, and then mescaline(mescaline only on the low dose spectrum).

I would feel this way about HBWR seeds even if I didnt know how closely related the chemicals within are to lsd.

Its the most like acid. It really is.
You cant get any closer aside from a few uncommon lsd-like synthetics.
As far as enjoyment, and a "clean trip" with little body load:
I wouldnt even know what to say, because there is nothing like lsd, or mushrooms for that matter.

LSA is nothing like mushrooms or anything else IMO.
Except for lsd.

You be the judge.
There are many ways to answer the question.

Lsd is most like lsa.
Through and through, IMO.

I used to say that lsa is lsd's retarded younger brother.

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To really answer the question.

There is no alternative, accept psychedelics that are totally different yet just as visual and full of unique cognitive machines. Things that hit you like a brick.

Lsa is not the best alternative, but it is the most like lsd.
It may just be the best alternative if you take alot of extract or something.

Eating a tiny piece of a good extract can take you to the core of the psychedelic experience.

If you want something "most like lsd", my answer is without a shadow of a doubt, lsa.

As far as an alternative goes, I dont know how to answer that.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: yageman]
    #7932072 - 01/25/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Why doesn't he get some LSD already, and stop complaining. I can get LSD any where I go so why does he have a problem finding it. Not trying to ride his ass but the closet thing to LSD is LSD. I have done alot of hallucinogenic drugs but have never done anything that compared to LSD. Go out to your closet college campus and start asking around, its not that complicated.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #7932128 - 01/25/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I understand his pain. I couldnt get lsd around my way if my life depended on it. Some places just dont do it like that.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: highc]
    #7932281 - 01/25/08 09:27 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

LSd may be my favorite psychedelic within the confines of my own experience and what I think offers me the most complex sets of information in coherent orders upon order.

I feel this way, but I dont think its the end all be all of the hallucinogenic experience, and thats for damn sure.

If you cant find lsd, dont feel too left out........lol
LSD is no big deal, but it is a great teacher.
A teacher that allows one to maybe understand the more alien hallucinogens better.
Lsd is the most complex.
It also is coincidentally synthetic and lends itself to the human consciousness in any way that is possible.
You drive psychedelic funny bus the way you want.

LSD may be my fav, but I sure as hell dont put it on some podium just because I can work with it and see things no other substance can provide without prior experience with lsd.

LSD shows the mechanics.
Other drugs are more natural, and the geometries know no bounds.
LSD is no big deal is what im saying.

Its all about interpretation.
LSD is some strange tool humans organically made accidentally.
Yes, a new kind of organic.

LSD is so amazing, but some of these even harder to understand psychedelics just persuade me.
They are better, less comfortable feeling, and will take your ass somewhere without cognitive provocation.
There is something special about lsd, and something special about the more natural chemicals.

LSD is the most human/cognitively complex and pliable.
Mushrooms have no rules.

LSD is the platform by which mushrooms function within the human psyche.

So I wouldnt feel too left out, but to some degree id feel left out if I didnt know what lsd is capable of as a sort of podium for further teachings.

These psychedelics cant be rated 1-10 or some shit.
It depends on the person taking it, the person who may have been using these psychedelics for years even.

I dont really like mescaline much. Its intense as hell at the right dose. But I just dont like it as much as:
Mushrooms, ayahuasca, and lsd are by far the best in my book.
That sort of shit will differ from person to person.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #7935169 - 01/26/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Didn't think I was complaining. Just asking a simple question. Obviously nothing is exactly like LSD. I don't need that to be cleared up. If I went to a campus I would probably end up asking an undercover or something and get arrested (not willing to take that risk). I just wanted some opinions as to what would give me an experience similar to it. I think I am going to try San Pedro and LSA. I'll be sure to let everyone know how it goes. Already ordered some San Pedro. Gonna have to do some more research on what to get the LSA from.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: doitagain]
    #7935184 - 01/26/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

doitagain said:
why not try some good old fashioned ALD-52




DING DING DING!!!

That's what most of the good cid you'll find nowadays is anyway. Ergot is too hard to obtain anymore.


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Re: What's the best alternative to LSD? [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7935600 - 01/26/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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SunshineSuperman said:
Quote:

doitagain said:
why not try some good old fashioned ALD-52




DING DING DING!!!

That's what most of the good cid you'll find nowadays is anyway. Ergot is too hard to obtain anymore.



u only say that b/c those Orange Sunshine blotters in 69' were ald-52
i dont think its that common tho


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