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FarFromHere
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Organics
#7924516 - 01/24/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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For those of us which always choose the safest path when setting out on our entheogenic journeys...
I have here a list of Entheogens and psychoactives.
A list which I believe should be able to satisfy anybodies need for the entheogenic experience and altered experience.
I believe the plants, cacti and mushrooms that I have chosen for my list are the safest and most effective entheogens in the world.
What I would like to discuss are peoples views on the organic psychoactives.
Which are the safest and most effective.
And what the best means of organically preparing these plants, mushrooms and cacti to be safe and effective.
I would also like to discuss things like fasting, meditation and ideas about set and setting.
Camellia sinensis ~ “Tea” Aspalathus linearis ~ “Rooibos” Ilex Paraguariensis ~ “Yerba Mate” Ginkgo biloba ~ “Gingko” Fermented Tea ~ “Kombucha” Beer and/or Wine ~ “Alcohol” Cannabis sativa ~ “Marijuana” Lactuca virosa ~ “Lettuce Opium” Mitragyna speciosa ~ “Kratom” Nicotiana spp. ~ “Tobacco” Ephedra spp. ~ “Ephedra” Erythroxylon spp. ~ “Coca Leaf” Piper methysticum ~ “Kava Kava” Coffea arabica ~ “Coffee” Theobroma cacao ~ “Chocolate” Panax ginseng, Panax quinquefolia and/or Eleutherococcus senticosus ~ “Ginseng” Leonotis leonurus ~ "Wild Dagga" Nymphaea caerulea and/or Nelumbo nucifera ~ “Lotus” Papaver somniferum ~ “Opium” Pausinystalia yohimbe ~ “Yohimbe” (MAOI) Sceletium tortuosum ~ “Kanna” (SSRI) Silene capensis ~ “Root of the White Way” Calea zacatechichi ~ “Dream Herb” Rhodiola rosea ~ “Golden Root” (MAOI) Artemisia absinthium ~ “Absinthe” Valeriana officinalis ~ "Valerian Root" Lagochilus inebrians ~ "Turkistan Mint" Catha edulis ~ "Khat" Myristica fragrans ~ "Nutmeg" Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, and/or Rivea corymbosa ~ “Morning Glories” Heimia salicifolia and/or H. myrtifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener" Amanita Muscaria ~ “Soma”, “Haoma” or “Mario Mushrooms” Salvia divinorum ~ “Salvia” Psilocybian Mushrooms ~ “‘Shrooms” or “Mushrooms” Trichocereus species or Lophophora williamsii ~ “Cactus” and “Peyote” B. Caapi, Psychotria species, Diplopterys cabrerana and/or Passiflora incarnata = “Ayahuasca” Tabernatnthe Iboga ~ “Iboga Root”
IMHO, these should satisfy the needs of those who wish to only alter their consciousnesses with the safest drugs.
I do not advocate this to anyone...
I just offered my list as food for thought...
I do not intend this to turn into an "Organic vs. Synthetics" type of argument.
I would like to discuss the best way to grow and harvest all the above entheogens and psychoactives for maximum potency.
I'm working on that list...
Edited by FarFromHere (01/28/08 02:40 AM)
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FarFromHere said: I do not intend this to turn into an "Organic vs. Synthetics" type of argument.
Simply by splitting them up, though, you set the table for that argument.
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FarFromHere
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For those of us that CHOOSE to take the organic path...
I would like to discuss methods of use.
I'm not saying organics are better.
I just personally like that better.
Let's not argue the organic vs. synthetic arguement.
You can argue that here!
But first you gotta read the WHOLE THING!
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im_on_a_boat
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ORGANICS FTW!
..if you cultivate it, is it still considered technically organic?
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FarFromHere
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O geeze...
We had an arguement about everything from LSD to babies be organic or inorganic or some other bullshit in the other thread...
Let's not do that again...
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I would disagree with "Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, or Turbina corymbosa" as being some of the safest organics as eating too many can hospitalize you.
Amanita Muscaria too.
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Siekoaktiv
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drkrobotnik said: ORGANICS FTW!
..if you cultivate it, is it still considered technically organic?
What have you cultivated that ISN'T organic?
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Organics-only is a perfectly legitimate choice to make. However, this
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FarFromHere said: For those of us which always choose the safest path when setting out on our entheogenic journeys...
is simply not true. I assume you're making reference to LSD, and there is no reason to believe mushrooms or any other natural psychedelic are safer than LSD. This is true of some RCs (especially substituted amphetamines), but not all synthetic psychedelics are amphetamines. Especially acid.
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I'm not sure I understand the argument that organic drugs are better for you than synthetic drugs. First of all, organic doesn't mean anything. Everything is organic, unless you are making reference to the new FDA Organic standards and practices for farming.
Many naturally occurring entheogens can be very toxic, and their synthetic counterparts safe. For example, the ergot that contaminates barley can be highly toxic if consumed, but a very interesting alkaloid can extracted and synthesized from it, LSD.
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Churning
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i think your missing the point of his thread... its a choice.
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Re: Organics [Re: Churning]
#7925157 - 01/24/08 05:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with that and said so in my post. BUT the assumption that organic psychedelics are safer is a myth.
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FarFromHere
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I agree with that and said so in my post. BUT the assumption that organic psychedelics are safer is a myth.
Right-o and if you want to talk about that...do it here...
You'll find my stance on LSD and much more...
I would like to discuss methods of cultivation, harvest and use of the organic entheogens in this thread...
Basically I want to make a step-by-step guide about the cultivation, harvest and use of organic entheogens.
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yageman
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So basically you want people to randomly spew out information about cultivation, harvesting, and uses of organic stuff in hopes that your thread will take shape over time/becoming some really interesting thread about the wide variety of shit you want to discuss. (Im not sure why you think it works that way).
You wanted to make a thread about organic drugs, so you felt the need to talk about how you think they are better than synthetics, yet you dont want people to talk about that? Well thats your mistake. You could have premised yourself better to provoke only the kinds of responses you want. Although I guess you felt the need to explain why you only want your thread to be about organic stuff.
"Basically I want to make a step-by-step guide about the cultivation, harvest and use of organic entheogens". Why do you want to make a thread like this?
Honestly dude. Create your own forum. What it seems like, is that you are trying to create almost a mini-forum within the shroomery. Your own little personal shroomery within an actual shroomery.............lol Kind of like...."discuss all your shit about organics here!"
I just think this thread is kinda weird. ----------------------------------------------------------- How bout this little snippet of info to "get things going".
A weird and strange ayahuasca preparation : (yes I consider this to be ayahuasca too, in its own funky way) Its just another "practice" of mine.........lol I sometimes chew rue over a period of an hour or more. I take small swallows of soy free bread and water between every few swallows to separate the seed mash within my gut. I usually end up eating 3-5 grams. I do this as I prepare viridis tea(I may or may not put 1 gram of rue in the viridis tea prep). I use viridis because its traditional, and as a tea, it tastes good to me. I never have become sick or purged with this method unless I used more than 4 grams of rue. I understand the purge very well. This is just a different approach.
I believe in plant teachers, not plant preachers.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926472 - 01/24/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't want a mini-forum...
I'm just working at making this guide and could use the knowledge of other people.
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yageman
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Then read about psychedelics. Read trip reports. Ask specific questions? Pm some people?(not me) Im just saying what it is you are really asking. "spew information at me so I may compile this info into a coherent framework(or some such shit).
You writing a book or something?
Im not asking you to split up the many questions within this thread into a good many threads, and thus spamming the hell out of the PEF either.
You are so fucking weird and spammy.
I just hope your idea works out and hundreds of people give you information about any one of your many questions.
Luck.......
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926564 - 01/24/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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well I've got some of the info...
And I'll post it soon.
I just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on this...
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Pm some people?(not me)
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yageman
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No, I mean it weirdo.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926614 - 01/24/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not gonna PM you...
Geeze.
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/29/08 12:15 PM)
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yageman
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FarFromHere said:
I just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on THIS...
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Pm some people?(not me)
hey everyone.
Give this guy information! Give him thoughts on "this". --------------------------------------------------------------------
Post number two in farfromhere's major-ass organics thread!!!: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have put salvia leaf in my butt to elongate a mushroom trip, and it was a good thing. It really was. Id have put it in my mouth but I didnt want it in my mouth at that time. So I put a bit of it in my ass. Im not scared of my butt.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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Just because its Organic doesn't mean its safe...A organic/plant/mushroom can kill you just as fast,as a man made drug...
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