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For those of us which always choose the safest path when setting out on our entheogenic journeys...
I have here a list of Entheogens and psychoactives.
A list which I believe should be able to satisfy anybodies need for the entheogenic experience and altered experience.
I believe the plants, cacti and mushrooms that I have chosen for my list are the safest and most effective entheogens in the world.
What I would like to discuss are peoples views on the organic psychoactives.
Which are the safest and most effective.
And what the best means of organically preparing these plants, mushrooms and cacti to be safe and effective.
I would also like to discuss things like fasting, meditation and ideas about set and setting.
Camellia sinensis ~ “Tea” Aspalathus linearis ~ “Rooibos” Ilex Paraguariensis ~ “Yerba Mate” Ginkgo biloba ~ “Gingko” Fermented Tea ~ “Kombucha” Beer and/or Wine ~ “Alcohol” Cannabis sativa ~ “Marijuana” Lactuca virosa ~ “Lettuce Opium” Mitragyna speciosa ~ “Kratom” Nicotiana spp. ~ “Tobacco” Ephedra spp. ~ “Ephedra” Erythroxylon spp. ~ “Coca Leaf” Piper methysticum ~ “Kava Kava” Coffea arabica ~ “Coffee” Theobroma cacao ~ “Chocolate” Panax ginseng, Panax quinquefolia and/or Eleutherococcus senticosus ~ “Ginseng” Leonotis leonurus ~ "Wild Dagga" Nymphaea caerulea and/or Nelumbo nucifera ~ “Lotus” Papaver somniferum ~ “Opium” Pausinystalia yohimbe ~ “Yohimbe” (MAOI) Sceletium tortuosum ~ “Kanna” (SSRI) Silene capensis ~ “Root of the White Way” Calea zacatechichi ~ “Dream Herb” Rhodiola rosea ~ “Golden Root” (MAOI) Artemisia absinthium ~ “Absinthe” Valeriana officinalis ~ "Valerian Root" Lagochilus inebrians ~ "Turkistan Mint" Catha edulis ~ "Khat" Myristica fragrans ~ "Nutmeg" Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, and/or Rivea corymbosa ~ “Morning Glories” Heimia salicifolia and/or H. myrtifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener" Amanita Muscaria ~ “Soma”, “Haoma” or “Mario Mushrooms” Salvia divinorum ~ “Salvia” Psilocybian Mushrooms ~ “‘Shrooms” or “Mushrooms” Trichocereus species or Lophophora williamsii ~ “Cactus” and “Peyote” B. Caapi, Psychotria species, Diplopterys cabrerana and/or Passiflora incarnata = “Ayahuasca” Tabernatnthe Iboga ~ “Iboga Root”
IMHO, these should satisfy the needs of those who wish to only alter their consciousnesses with the safest drugs.
I do not advocate this to anyone...
I just offered my list as food for thought...
I do not intend this to turn into an "Organic vs. Synthetics" type of argument.
I would like to discuss the best way to grow and harvest all the above entheogens and psychoactives for maximum potency.
I'm working on that list...
Edited by FarFromHere (01/28/08 02:40 AM)
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FarFromHere said: I do not intend this to turn into an "Organic vs. Synthetics" type of argument.
Simply by splitting them up, though, you set the table for that argument.
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For those of us that CHOOSE to take the organic path...
I would like to discuss methods of use.
I'm not saying organics are better.
I just personally like that better.
Let's not argue the organic vs. synthetic arguement.
You can argue that here!
But first you gotta read the WHOLE THING!
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ORGANICS FTW!
..if you cultivate it, is it still considered technically organic?
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O geeze...
We had an arguement about everything from LSD to babies be organic or inorganic or some other bullshit in the other thread...
Let's not do that again...
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I would disagree with "Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, or Turbina corymbosa" as being some of the safest organics as eating too many can hospitalize you.
Amanita Muscaria too.
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drkrobotnik said: ORGANICS FTW!
..if you cultivate it, is it still considered technically organic?
What have you cultivated that ISN'T organic?
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Organics-only is a perfectly legitimate choice to make. However, this
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FarFromHere said: For those of us which always choose the safest path when setting out on our entheogenic journeys...
is simply not true. I assume you're making reference to LSD, and there is no reason to believe mushrooms or any other natural psychedelic are safer than LSD. This is true of some RCs (especially substituted amphetamines), but not all synthetic psychedelics are amphetamines. Especially acid.
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I'm not sure I understand the argument that organic drugs are better for you than synthetic drugs. First of all, organic doesn't mean anything. Everything is organic, unless you are making reference to the new FDA Organic standards and practices for farming.
Many naturally occurring entheogens can be very toxic, and their synthetic counterparts safe. For example, the ergot that contaminates barley can be highly toxic if consumed, but a very interesting alkaloid can extracted and synthesized from it, LSD.
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i think your missing the point of his thread... its a choice.
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I agree with that and said so in my post. BUT the assumption that organic psychedelics are safer is a myth.
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I agree with that and said so in my post. BUT the assumption that organic psychedelics are safer is a myth.
Right-o and if you want to talk about that...do it here...
You'll find my stance on LSD and much more...
I would like to discuss methods of cultivation, harvest and use of the organic entheogens in this thread...
Basically I want to make a step-by-step guide about the cultivation, harvest and use of organic entheogens.
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So basically you want people to randomly spew out information about cultivation, harvesting, and uses of organic stuff in hopes that your thread will take shape over time/becoming some really interesting thread about the wide variety of shit you want to discuss. (Im not sure why you think it works that way).
You wanted to make a thread about organic drugs, so you felt the need to talk about how you think they are better than synthetics, yet you dont want people to talk about that? Well thats your mistake. You could have premised yourself better to provoke only the kinds of responses you want. Although I guess you felt the need to explain why you only want your thread to be about organic stuff.
"Basically I want to make a step-by-step guide about the cultivation, harvest and use of organic entheogens". Why do you want to make a thread like this?
Honestly dude. Create your own forum. What it seems like, is that you are trying to create almost a mini-forum within the shroomery. Your own little personal shroomery within an actual shroomery.............lol Kind of like...."discuss all your shit about organics here!"
I just think this thread is kinda weird. ----------------------------------------------------------- How bout this little snippet of info to "get things going".
A weird and strange ayahuasca preparation : (yes I consider this to be ayahuasca too, in its own funky way) Its just another "practice" of mine.........lol I sometimes chew rue over a period of an hour or more. I take small swallows of soy free bread and water between every few swallows to separate the seed mash within my gut. I usually end up eating 3-5 grams. I do this as I prepare viridis tea(I may or may not put 1 gram of rue in the viridis tea prep). I use viridis because its traditional, and as a tea, it tastes good to me. I never have become sick or purged with this method unless I used more than 4 grams of rue. I understand the purge very well. This is just a different approach.
I believe in plant teachers, not plant preachers.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926472 - 01/24/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't want a mini-forum...
I'm just working at making this guide and could use the knowledge of other people.
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Then read about psychedelics. Read trip reports. Ask specific questions? Pm some people?(not me) Im just saying what it is you are really asking. "spew information at me so I may compile this info into a coherent framework(or some such shit).
You writing a book or something?
Im not asking you to split up the many questions within this thread into a good many threads, and thus spamming the hell out of the PEF either.
You are so fucking weird and spammy.
I just hope your idea works out and hundreds of people give you information about any one of your many questions.
Luck.......
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926564 - 01/24/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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well I've got some of the info...
And I'll post it soon.
I just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on this...
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Pm some people?(not me)
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No, I mean it weirdo.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7926614 - 01/24/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I'm not gonna PM you...
Geeze.
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/29/08 12:15 PM)
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Quote:
FarFromHere said:
I just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on THIS...
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Pm some people?(not me)
hey everyone.
Give this guy information! Give him thoughts on "this". --------------------------------------------------------------------
Post number two in farfromhere's major-ass organics thread!!!: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have put salvia leaf in my butt to elongate a mushroom trip, and it was a good thing. It really was. Id have put it in my mouth but I didnt want it in my mouth at that time. So I put a bit of it in my ass. Im not scared of my butt.
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Just because its Organic doesn't mean its safe...A organic/plant/mushroom can kill you just as fast,as a man made drug...
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Yeah seriously, theres gonna be a debate weather you like it or not.
The organic v synthetic argument is stupid, everything's made from organic chemicals anyways, LSA is a precursor to LSA etc etc. If you want to take only organics thats fine but don't do so in the name of safety cause thats just dumb.
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Well, if you ask me, farfromhere is annoying as hell, and not very bright. Thats just me though.
He said multi-vitamin......................lol
he was just asking for it while saying he is not asking for it.
Bad form.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7931440 - 01/25/08 06:39 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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So...any ideas?
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read about the plant in question so you can achieve the following:
-obtain seed -plant seed -grow the plant you know how to grow -consume the plant in some way
I dont understand this thread.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7931565 - 01/25/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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You'll figure it out...
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I encourage everyone to figure out how to use any plant they desire to use.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7931953 - 01/25/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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If all goes to plan I will begin a mescaline extraction from San Pedro tomorrow.
Wish me luck, I've been wanting to try mescaline for a long time.
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I wish you luck.
Im all about the tea no matter how fat and long the cacti.
Read about the tea. Although im not saying the right extract cant be the best way to go....lol. Much luck to you broski.
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7932160 - 01/25/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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So yageman...
Do you make a tea useing dried cactus chips...
Or fresh cactus?
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Always used fresh cacti.
You have to adapt to what you have got.
I have drank slime a few times without hesitation and much gas from the ass. I have eaten cacti spears and kept the skin(that I didnt eat) and boiled it for a lovely boost two hours later. I have no problem with eating cacti. Its kinda funny. Like eating giant bitter sunflower seeds.
Sidenote: The people who sell dried cacti are rip-offs/or sometimes not, and are going to fuck this legal plant up for all of us.
Thats a preparation folks...........lol
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7932453 - 01/25/08 10:10 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I know a guy at a local flea market who deals in cacti. I got a live San Pedro a few feet tall, with four outbranchings at the top, for $12. I don't want to hurt this one (going to just let it grow), but I believe the guy has more.
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The people who sell dried cacti are rip-offs/or sometimes not, and are going to fuck this legal plant up for all of us.
Thats a preparation folks...........lol
I know! I always grow and prep' my own cacti.
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well thats a good price.
Id buy dried pedro but I dont want to contribute to the preparation bullshit.
Tea is best aside from extracts. The tea formula has been used for a very long time...........lol
Your slime doesnt have to be so hard on you. Make tea.
Google works. Find that info, or figure it out on your own which basically makes you a badass, western shaman type.
Use your gut and mind, or use the internet.......lol
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
#7932516 - 01/25/08 10:24 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Find that info, or figure it out on your own which basically makes you a badass, western shaman type.
I like that.
I think one of the biggest arguments in this thread is going to be over Amanita muscaria preperation.
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What's the best way to prep' amanita muscaria?
What's the best time/place to harvest them?
Which is better...small caps? Or large ones?
Are stems less potent than caps?
Can stems make you sick?
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to long...
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/29/08 12:13 PM)
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If anybody knows of any plant-drugs which need to be added to that list...
Please let me know!
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To make "Lettuce Opium" slice the stem of the Lactuca plant and collect and dry the sap.
The dry resin is "Lettuce Opium".
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Gemination, Cultivation, Harvest, Storage, Preparation, History and Location of Origin Of Common Beneficial Psychoactive and Entheogenic Plants, Cacti and Fungi-
Camellia sinensis ~ “Tea”
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The Experience- Tea is uplifting and refreshing. The effects are mild but enjoyable similar to T. cacao.
Frequency of use-
History and Location of Origin- Tea hails from the Far East where it originated in China around 2737 BC, and then spread around the world. Today Tea is the 2nd most consumed beverage on Earth, only after water.
Aspalathus linearis ~ “Rooibos”
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History and Location of Origin- Africa
Ilex Paraguariensis ~ “Yerba Mate”
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The Experience- Yerba Mate gives a euphoric energetic buzz similar to coffee or tea, but is somehow different.
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History and Location of Origin- South America
Lactuca virosa ~ “Lettuce Opium”
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Harvest- Slice stems and collect sap. Dry sap into a resin and smoke.
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History and Location of Origin- The Americas
Mitragyna speciosa ~ “Kratom”
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Nicotiana spp. ~ “Tobacco”
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Storage- Older Tobacco losses it nicotine content but can gain flavors. Aged Tobaccos are often highly prized. Tobacco should keep for a long time if kept in an airtight container.
Preparation- Tobacco can be smoked or used as a quid in the lip.
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History and Location of Origin- The Americas
Ephedra spp. ~ “Ephedra”
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Erythroxylon spp. ~ “Coca Leaf”
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History and Location of Origin- South America
Piper methysticum ~ “Kava Kava”
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History and Location of Origin- The Pacific Islands
Coffea arabica ~ “Coffee”
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History and Location of Origin- Middle East
Theobroma cacao ~ “Chocolate” Gemination-
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The Experience- A mild MAOI
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History and Location of Origin- The Americas (South America???)
Panax spp. ~ “Ginseng”
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Leonotis leonurus ~ "Wild Dagga"
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History and Location of Origin- Africa
Nymphaea caerulea and/or Nelumbo nucifera ~ “Lotus”
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Frequency of use-
History and Location of Origin- Nymphaea caerulea comes from Egypt, while Nelumbo nucifera’s origin is in India.
Pausinystalia yohimbe ~ “Yohimbe”
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History and Location of Origin- Africa
Sceletium tortuosum ~ “Kanna”
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History and Location of Origin- Africa
Silene capensis ~ “Root of the White Way”
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History and Location of Origin- Africa
Calea zacatechichi ~ “Dream Herb”
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Rhodiola rosea ~ “Golden Root”
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Artemisia absinthium ~ “Absinthe”
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Valeriana officinalis ~ "Valerian Root"
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Lagochilus inebrians ~ "Turkistan Mint"
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Catha edulis ~ "Khat"
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Myristica fragrans ~ "Nutmeg"
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Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, and/or Rivea corymbosa ~ “Morning Glories”
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Heimia salicifolia and/or H. myrtifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener"
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Amanita Muscaria ~ “Soma”, “Haoma” or “Mario Mushrooms”
Gemination- Not applicable, must be collected from the wild.
Cultivation- Not applicable, must be collected from the wild.
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Salvia divinorum ~ “Salvia”
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Preparation- Salvia can be smoked or used as a quid in the lip.
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History and Location of Origin- Central America
Psilocybian Mushrooms ~ “‘Shrooms” or “Mushrooms”
Gemination- Spores can be collected and...
Cultivation- Cultivations of mushrooms is possible. Guides can be found across the internet.
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Trichocereus spp. ~ “Cactus”
Gemination-
Cultivation-
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How to stress a Trichocereus-
~ Give it a boast of Organic fertz. (Just Pee on it) (I'm serious) ~ Stop watering it for 6 months.
~ Cut out a few aeroles with a knife
~ Poke holes in it with toothpicks.
~ Wrap it with wire
Storage- Cactus should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container.
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History and Location of Origin- South America (The Andes)
Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”
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Storage- “Peyote” should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container.
Preparation- Remove the areoles and ...??
The Experience-
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History and Location of Origin- Central America and Southern North America
Banisteriopsis caapi ~ “Vine of Souls” or “Vine of the Dead”
Gemination-
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Storage- Caapi is best used fresh, but vines can be stored for up to 6 months in an airtight contanier.
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History and Location of Origin- South America (Amazon)
Psychotria species ~ “Chacruna”
Gemination-
Cultivation-
Harvest- Psychotria leaf should be harvest only in the early morning at dawn. It is at this time that is has the highest DMT content. Dry psychotria leaf on a metal rack in a dark, dry room.
Storage- Psychotria leaf is best used fresh, but it can be stored for up to 6 months in an airtight contanier.
Preparation- See Banisteriopsis caapi.
The Experience- See Banisteriopsis caapi.
Frequency of use- See Banisteriopsis caapi.
History and Location of Origin-
Diplopterys cabrerana ~ “Oco Yage”
Gemination-
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Storage-Diplopterys leaf is best used fresh, but it can be stored for up to 6 months in an airtight contanier.
Preparation- See Banisteriopsis caapi.
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History and Location of Origin-
Passiflora incarnata ~ “Passion Flower”
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History and Location of Origin- The Americas
Tabernatnthe Iboga ~ “Iboga Root”
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History and Location of Origin- Use by the Bwiti tribe in Africa
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Everyday in the E.G. and P.E. I see people asking the same questions over and over and over...
How do I prep' Amanitas?
Should I stress my San Pedro?
How do I make "Lettuce Opium"?
My Goal is to fix that....
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This thread confuses me
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Re: Organics [Re: Acyl]
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My favorite organics are tryptamines, phenethylamines, methylxanthines, and cannabinoids! Inorganics sap your soul's energy!
If you're big on the organic thing, never eat salt (NaCl, totally inorganic).
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This thread confuses me
Why is that?
Is is a guide to growing and using the common psychoactive and entheogenic plants, cacti and fungi....
Everyday in the E.G. and P.E. I see people asking the same questions over and over and over...
How do I prep' Amanitas?
Should I stress my San Pedro?
How do I make "Lettuce Opium"?
My Goal is to fix that....
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my favorite organics are tryptamines, phenethylamines, methylxanthines, and cannabinoids! Inorganics sap your soul's energy!
If you're big on the organic thing, never eat salt (NaCl, totally inorganic).
Again, I know organic drugs are not better than inorganic drugs.
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Alright, Let's try one at a time...
If anybody has any suggestions as to what to fill in please let me know.
Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”
Gemination- (I'll look up a guide myself for this later)
Cultivation-(I'll look up a guide myself for this later)
Harvest- ? What is the best way?
Storage- “Peyote” should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container. (Correct?)
Preparation- Remove the areoles and ...??
The Experience- (I just need a quick paragraph report, very general, I have not done peyote)
Frequency of use- Peyote is a powerful entheogen and is scare in the wild. It should only be used rarely.
History and Location of Origin- Central America and Southern North America....and...
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Unfortunately, people will always disagree about different preparation methods to an extent. This is because the 'best preparation method' might work differently for different people due to the high amount of variables.
I would recommend that you do your own scientific studies on each of these plants after extensive research and practice. Collect your results over time and then post your findings.
For example, let's take your question: Quote:
Should I stress my San Pedro?
This has been debated a lot. To bring a valuable spring of information to the debate I would:
Work with both San Pedro and Peruvian Torch (as they are fast growing). Only work with cuttings form the same plant to reduce variability due to genetics. It would be best if you worked with several different groups of genetically identical cuttings to give a wider sample for your results. Eventually end up with a large group of cacti (the larger the number the more reliable the results) of each species that you harvest at the same time. Grow them in the same place with the same climate and waterings/fertilizing (up until water stressing of course). Then when you stress try different methods (eg. cutting, dehydrating, lack of/excessive lighting) on different plants and MAKE SURE to include a control (a plant that is watered and grown normally before harvest).
Once harvested you would have to extract and accurately way the amount of alkaloids within each cactus. Conclude your findings and post with reference to research if possible. The idea is to reduce variables other than the plants being stressed and not. Also be aware that variation in your extraction process would affect your results.
Simply asking what people do doesn't add to the debate. You say you want to make a guide but to make one that is at all reliable you need evidence, not just hearsay. Posting your own methods and asking for criticisms might be more fitting. However, to create a 'guide' your need to put a lot more work in at your end rather than asking people to provide you with information.
I hope this is of help and wish you good luck with your endeavors.
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Posting your own methods and asking for criticisms might be more fitting. However, to create a 'guide' your need to put a lot more work in at your end rather than asking people to provide you with information.
That's basically what I would like to do.
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If that's your goal, then I think you're probably biting off more than you can chew. Finding reliable information on a lot of the plants that you've mentioned takes a lot of factfinding time and effort. And as Williamsi said, there's a lot of debate on the best way to go. Especially if you're talking all the way from cultivation to preparation, a lot of plants you could easily write 100+ pages on. My advice is to start off focusing on say the ten plants you find most interesting and see how it goes. If you do a very thorough job, I think you'll find that information starts accumulating to levels which are difficult to process, and when sources directly contradict one another, digging to the bottom of the contradiction can easily take an hour or two more of reading, if you're lucky in finding sources that address the issue. This is why it's so difficult to find satisfying and well-organized books on the subject. It's just a very dense subject matter that can be taken in a lot of directions, all of them interesting.
As to my above comment, I wasn't implying synthetics are better than organics or vice versa; every drug is different. I just meant that "organic" is not really an appropriate term for the class of drugs you're talking about. The word has a variety of meanings, but I think it'd be a lot more clear to call them "natural drugs" or "plant drugs" or "plant products" if you don't want to call them drugs. It just seems like you're mostly concerned with the distinction between naturally-occuring compounds and synthetic compounds, not organic vs inorganic.
Best of luck in your efforts.
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damn, this thing got a lot of replies, but i've seen a post like this about 80 times since i first started posting at this board. what's the point? it's not like giving me that list is going to mean i go out and obtain all those drugs.
I have a question. what is the most similar feeling drug to lsd? mescaline? dmt? don't know.......
AND... as far as the whole synthetics vs organics argument, yeah, it turned into that for some reason. Here's the thing, lsd is my favorite high, but there's something about natural plant drugs that gives you a natural feeling you can't get from a trip that isn't.. well... natural from a plant. I don't know why, but to me it's way better if you can get it natural. That's why i've been so interested to know what a trip of a lsd producing plant or fungus would feel like. Plus, the precursor chemicals and shit definately i think add to and balance the high a little, you don't get that with lsd the way you do with psilicybin and mescaline.
I'd wonder, do drugs sort of work like vitamins? your system absorbs them better if they have something along to be absorbed with? who knows... a vitamin goes into your stomach and is absorbed straight up, and your body uses it a lot more strongly without something else to cut it down, same with a drug, you extract an amount, such as crystals equal to a few bowls, the crystals will get you more high.
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yeah, that's a good point. I've tried to find out so much information on exactly how every psychedelic or drug molecule is put together in a plant, and it's almost impossible. the best i found was citric acid, and that doesn't even make complete sense to me, because i don't know much about the molecules that put it together, and as far as I know, it's reused? well.......
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Teo is a girl ?!?!?
Damn right?
You didn't think a man could be this fucking annoyin' did you?
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Alright, Let's try this again...
If anybody has any suggestions as to what to fill in please let me know.
Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”
Gemination- (I'll look up a guide myself for this later)
Cultivation-(I'll look up a guide myself for this later)
Harvest- ? What is the best way?
Storage- “Peyote” should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container. (Correct?)
Preparation- Remove the areoles and ...??
The Experience- (I just need a quick paragraph report, very general, I have not done peyote)
Frequency of use- Peyote is a powerful entheogen and is scare in the wild. It should only be used rarely.
History and Location of Origin- Central America and Southern North America....and...
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Look up a guide for yourself about this later
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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
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I want some first hand experience.
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Can we try Amanita muscaira?
I think the mushrooms need to be dryed in the hot sun....
And then infused into warm water at about 200F, just below boiling.
I see threads like this daily...
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Edited by FarFromHere (02/03/08 12:28 AM)
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