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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7949962 - 01/29/08 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

This thread confuses me :confused:


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Re: Organics [Re: Acyl]
    #7949979 - 01/29/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

My favorite organics are tryptamines, phenethylamines, methylxanthines, and cannabinoids! Inorganics sap your soul's energy!

If you're big on the organic thing, never eat salt (NaCl, totally inorganic).


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Re: Organics [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7950075 - 01/29/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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This thread confuses me





Why is that?


Is is a guide to growing and using the common psychoactive and entheogenic plants, cacti and fungi....


Everyday in the E.G. and P.E. I see people asking the same questions over and over and over...

How do I prep' Amanitas?

Should I stress my San Pedro?

How do I make "Lettuce Opium"?




My Goal is to fix that....


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my favorite organics are tryptamines, phenethylamines, methylxanthines, and cannabinoids! Inorganics sap your soul's energy!

If you're big on the organic thing, never eat salt (NaCl, totally inorganic).





Again, I know organic drugs are not better than inorganic drugs.


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7950202 - 01/29/08 12:12 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Alright, Let's try one at a time...

If anybody has any suggestions as to what to fill in please let me know.


Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”

Gemination- (I'll look up a guide myself for this later)

Cultivation-(I'll look up a guide myself for this later)


Harvest- ? What is the best way?

Storage- “Peyote” should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container. (Correct?)

Preparation- Remove the areoles and ...??

The Experience- (I just need a quick paragraph report, very general, I have not done peyote)

Frequency of use- Peyote is a powerful entheogen and is scare in the wild. It should only be used rarely.


History and Location of Origin- Central America and Southern North America....and...


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7950262 - 01/29/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Unfortunately, people will always disagree about different preparation methods to an extent. This is because the 'best preparation method' might work differently for different people due to the high amount of variables.

I would recommend that you do your own scientific studies on each of these plants after extensive research and practice. Collect your results over time and then post your findings.

For example, let's take your question:
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Should I stress my San Pedro?




This has been debated a lot. To bring a valuable spring of information to the debate I would:

Work with both San Pedro and Peruvian Torch (as they are fast growing). Only work with cuttings form the same plant to reduce variability due to genetics. It would be best if you worked with several different groups of genetically identical cuttings to give a wider sample for your results. Eventually end up with a large group of cacti (the larger the number the more reliable the results) of each species that you harvest at the same time. Grow them in the same place with the same climate and waterings/fertilizing (up until water stressing of course). Then when you stress try different methods (eg. cutting, dehydrating, lack of/excessive lighting) on different plants and MAKE SURE to include a control (a plant that is watered and grown normally before harvest).

Once harvested you would have to extract and accurately way the amount of alkaloids within each cactus. Conclude your findings and post with reference to research if possible. The idea is to reduce variables other than the plants being stressed and not. Also be aware that variation in your extraction process would affect your results.


Simply asking what people do doesn't add to the debate. You say you want to make a guide but to make one that is at all reliable you need evidence, not just hearsay. Posting your own methods and asking for criticisms might be more fitting. However, to create a 'guide' your need to put a lot more work in at your end rather than asking people to provide you with information.

I hope this is of help and wish you good luck with your endeavors.


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Re: Organics [Re: Williamsii]
    #7950373 - 01/29/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Posting your own methods and asking for criticisms might be more fitting. However, to create a 'guide' your need to put a lot more work in at your end rather than asking people to provide you with information.





That's basically what I would like to do.


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7950410 - 01/29/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Teo is a girl ?!?!?  :shocked:


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7950421 - 01/29/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

If that's your goal, then I think you're probably biting off more than you can chew.  Finding reliable information on a lot of the plants that you've mentioned takes a lot of factfinding time and effort.  And as Williamsi said, there's a lot of debate on the best way to go.  Especially if you're talking all the way from cultivation to preparation, a lot of plants you could easily write 100+ pages on.  My advice is to start off focusing on say the ten plants you find most interesting and see how it goes.  If you do a very thorough job, I think you'll find that information starts accumulating to levels which are difficult to process, and when sources directly contradict one another, digging to the bottom of the contradiction can easily take an hour or two more of reading, if you're lucky in finding sources that address the issue.  This is why it's so difficult to find satisfying and well-organized books on the subject.  It's just a very dense subject matter that can be taken in a lot of directions, all of them interesting.

As to my above comment, I wasn't implying synthetics are better than organics or vice versa; every drug is different.  I just meant that "organic" is not really an appropriate term for the class of drugs you're talking about.  The word has a variety of meanings, but I think it'd be a lot more clear to call them "natural drugs" or "plant drugs" or "plant products" if you don't want to call them drugs.  It just seems like you're mostly concerned with the distinction between naturally-occuring compounds and synthetic compounds, not organic vs inorganic.

Best of luck in your efforts. :mushroom2:


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Re: Organics [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7950487 - 01/29/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

damn, this thing got a lot of replies, but i've seen a post like this about 80 times since i first started posting at this board. what's the point? it's not like giving me that list is going to mean i go out and obtain all those drugs.

I have a question. what is the most similar feeling drug to lsd? mescaline? dmt? don't know.......

AND... as far as the whole synthetics vs organics argument, yeah, it turned into that for some reason. Here's the thing, lsd is my favorite high, but there's something about natural plant drugs that gives you a natural feeling you can't get from a trip that isn't.. well... natural from a plant. I don't know why, but to me it's way better if you can get it natural. That's why i've been so interested to know what a trip of a lsd producing plant or fungus would feel like. Plus, the precursor chemicals and shit definately i think add to and balance the high a little, you don't get that with lsd the way you do with psilicybin and mescaline.

I'd wonder, do drugs sort of work like vitamins? your system absorbs them better if they have something along to be absorbed with? who knows... a vitamin goes into your stomach and is absorbed straight up, and your body uses it a lot more strongly without something else to cut it down, same with a drug, you extract an amount, such as crystals equal to a few bowls, the crystals will get you more high.

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Re: Organics [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7950506 - 01/29/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

yeah, that's a good point. I've tried to find out so much information on exactly how every psychedelic or drug molecule is put together in a plant, and it's almost impossible. the best i found was citric acid, and that doesn't even make complete sense to me, because i don't know much about the molecules that put it together, and as far as I know, it's reused? well.......

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Re: Organics [Re: imachavel]
    #7951782 - 01/29/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Teo is a girl ?!?!?




Damn right?


You didn't think a man could be this fucking annoyin' did you? :smirk:


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7952094 - 01/29/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: Organics [Re: zekesdream]
    #7952997 - 01/29/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Alright, Let's try this again...

If anybody has any suggestions as to what to fill in please let me know.


Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”

Gemination- (I'll look up a guide myself for this later)

Cultivation-(I'll look up a guide myself for this later)


Harvest- ? What is the best way?

Storage- “Peyote” should keep for up to a year or more if place into an airtight container. (Correct?)

Preparation- Remove the areoles and ...??

The Experience- (I just need a quick paragraph report, very general, I have not done peyote)

Frequency of use- Peyote is a powerful entheogen and is scare in the wild. It should only be used rarely.


History and Location of Origin- Central America and Southern North America....and...


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7953079 - 01/29/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Look up a guide for yourself about this later


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Re: Organics [Re: yageman]
    #7954005 - 01/30/08 12:06 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I want some first hand experience.


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Re: Organics [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7971442 - 02/03/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Can we try Amanita muscaira?

I think the mushrooms need to be dryed in the hot sun....

And then infused into warm water at about 200F, just below boiling.


I see threads like this daily...




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