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InvisibleBEEP
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First grow (grow log)
    #7924279 - 01/24/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I'm using pf tek with b+, i used the recipe for 6 jars (3 cups verm 1.5 cups BRF 1.5 cups water), it seems like to little, but I'm gonna follow the guide as much as possible, also the substrate doesn't look airy and fluffy enough, its pretty packed together (i did not pack it) the flour made it sticky and the weight of it self packed it down maybe? just wondering if this is normal. I'll post some picture of the jars soon, i already sterilized them for 90 minits with steam from boiling water (i don't have a PC) and covered the lid some steam got out but I'm sure its normal, i removed the foil, dried the outside of the jars then bagged the jars in zip-lock baggies to ensure sterility, i have to wait a day or 2 for the spore syringes.

so thats how far i am, clean substrate and jars.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7924366 - 01/24/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)
















heres all the pictures i have of the jars, let me know if its too compact and not enough open space, if it is how can i avoid it when i start my next six.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7924453 - 01/24/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Those look really mushy to me. Perhaps there is too much water? Not sure.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: DrOfRock]
    #7924477 - 01/24/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

i would agree, they look like they may have too much water, definitely dont look airy

good luck on the grow man, keep us posted


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: shroober]
    #7924659 - 01/24/08 03:15 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

i thought so, i got the info here http://www.shroomery.org/8410/Simple-Cubensis-Growing-Technique i think it should be lowered to one cup or maybe less.

should i just throw out the cakes and start over, or will the mycelium still grow like that? i know it "should" be airy but how will it effect the growth/time?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7924797 - 01/24/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

That looks like there is way too much water. I suggest starting over or the jars will take forever to colonize if they do at all.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: madrits]
    #7925128 - 01/24/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

try mixing then loading one jar at a time - if you do them all together it won't be as fluffy. your mycelium will also not grow as well if they are sealed like that in plastic - poke some holes in your lids and get some micropore tape on the holes to let the co2 out. since co2 is heavier than o2 you can turn your jars upside down once you see some colonization.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: mandelbrah]
    #7925144 - 01/24/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Okay, ignore all that. You can make large batches of jars as long as you use the right proportions. The part about plastic and micropore tape is good. And CO2 won't "leak" out of the jars. Also, CO2 is good for colonization so it's better to have it in than for it to "leak" out. And don't flip your jars. Leave them alone, let them colonize and forget about them for about two weeks.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7925191 - 01/24/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

way too mushy. when you mix the substrate, it should be very fluffy.
always make sure to add the flour LAST.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: galadar]
    #7925662 - 01/24/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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galadar said:
way too mushy. when you mix the substrate, it should be very fluffy.
always make sure to add the flour LAST.




i did.

i havnt nocced them up yet. i want to keep whats in there sterile so im not taking the tape/plastic off untill inoculate.. i'll probly make more cakes tomorrow..


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7925700 - 01/24/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

ok if it gets too soggy or mushy, just add a handfull or little bit of verm. myc needs little nooks and crannies and breathability.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7925764 - 01/24/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

don't inoculate those jars, that substrate is way off. it's much too wet.

You sure you used 2 parts vermiculite to 1 part BRF with 1 part water(aka 1/2 cup verm : 1/4 BRF : 60mL water)? It shouldn't be that wet at all- it looks like you used way too much water.



mix dry ingredients in a large bowl and then slowly add the water- that's how my monkey does it anyway. you could add the BRF last like someone else suggested, shouldn't really matter. It should just barely clump together in very small bits. you want it to look something more like this-







and this(^^) is with even more water than the PF recipe calls for (as more was added to compensate for microwave sterilization). and it's nowhere near as wet as yours- you must've used way too much water by accident.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: Teragon]
    #7925856 - 01/24/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

not even. mine looks like powdered snow or some thing. or maybe because i use a bit coarser flour(self made) i get no mush at all. its all fluffy


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: galadar]
    #7926227 - 01/24/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

not even what? not even clump at all, you mean? there's no mush at all in my monkey's containers and he uses homemade BRF too, fairly coarse as you can see in the pic.


but yes you're right with the snow description- you should be able to take a handful of the substrate and it should sprinkle/fall out of your hand when you are packing the jars...leaving lots of tiny air pockets. If you are spooning big wet clumps, you've done something wrong (aimed to the Original Poster).


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: Teragon]
    #7926302 - 01/24/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Teragon said:
not even what? not even clump at all, you mean? there's no mush at all in my monkey's containers and he uses homemade BRF too, fairly coarse as you can see in the pic.


but yes you're right with the snow description- you should be able to take a handful of the substrate and it should sprinkle/fall out of your hand when you are packing the jars...leaving lots of tiny air pockets. If you are spooning big wet clumps, you've done something wrong (aimed to the Original Poster).




exactly.
i just think your verm is maybe bigger?
i use medium


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: galadar]
    #7926665 - 01/24/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

my verm is big, but i grind it to a smaller size.


i think my substrate may look different to yours, because I use a bit more water because I microwave my substrate- I add extra water until it feels right (i've gotten used to the right moisture content/feel).

it's not mushy at all though- but small bits of BRF and verm will lightly clump into very loose-airy clumps the size of peas or smaller. when packing containers, i take handfuls and sprinkle it in (the clumps break up very easily, just from falling).


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: Teragon]
    #7926734 - 01/24/08 09:10 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

thank goodness you haven't inoculated yet.  start over as everyone has said.  and once you inoculate, don't put the jars in bags.  they need the holes open for gas exchange.  i don't even use micropore tape.  the layer of dry verm on top is their to stop any contams that try to get in.  good luck.  :cheers:


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: galadar]
    #7926897 - 01/24/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Is it possible that water was getting under your foil and into your jars?

Have you watched this?

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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: chucklehead]
    #7929041 - 01/25/08 09:31 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

chucklehead said:
Is it possible that water was getting under your foil and into your jars?

Have you watched this?


PF TEK








yup iv;e watched all thoose 5 times haha.. i'm 100% postive no water got inside the jars during sterilization, i wont inoculate thoose at all i made some new cakes i feel are perfect very airy and fluffy. the recipe i used i found on this site as i linked to above for 6 jars (3cups verm1 1/2 cup brf and 1 1/2 cup water, maybe i read it wrong. thanks everyone for the support and help so far, i cant beilve i skrewed up so fast, i opend the jars and tried to tap then pound out the cakes and they wouldnt come out so i cut them out with a knife
thoose things were rock hard when i broke one in half there was no holes for myc to grow what so ever.. today i will sterilize my new cakes and tomorrow or when there completely cool'd i'll inoculate


thank goodness you haven't inoculated yet.  start over as everyone has said.  and once you inoculate, don't put the jars in bags.  they need the holes open for gas exchange.  i don't even use micropore tape.  the layer of dry verm on top is their to stop any contams that try to get in.  good luck.  :cheers:

thanks, i wouldnt have left the tape or bags on, im just trying to be extra carefull so contams dont get in before my spores do. should the cakes be breathing before i inoculate though?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7941520 - 01/27/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I made 7 more cakes, they look really good to me so i dont think i'll add more pics. i steamd them for about an hour and a half in a regular pot, let them sit overnight then inoculated in a glove box with 2 ccS per jar 1/2 cc in each hole, im gonna keep them all in a shoebox on top of my xbox360 wich should heat it up to 75-85 (somewhere in that range) ill post pics as soon as i see some growth.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7951917 - 01/29/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

they've been sitting for 3 days now, 1 day @ room temprature and 2 at 80-85 degrees, can anyone tell me whats too hot and whats too cold, and if i cant get it perfect which is slower growth rate too cold or too hot? they shouldnt get lower then 65 but they seem a little to warm at 85. i know, i know,, patience..

anyone not reading the whole thing, i didnt use the cakes shown above.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7954352 - 01/30/08 02:12 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

first sign of growth, theres a little bit of tomentose mycelium little clumps of cottony stuff, im pretty exited! i'll post some picks when its more visible.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7959895 - 01/31/08 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

no contams on any of the 7 jars, i can see the mycelium really well now, my camera phone isn't taking good pictures in this light so I'll edit this when i get a better camera


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7960037 - 01/31/08 12:40 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I find a dryer sub will colinize faster. I mix the water with the verm then squeeze it with two hands till nothing drips out. It still has alot of water in it if you pinch it between your fingers tho.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7960645 - 01/31/08 03:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

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I find a dryer sub will colinize faster. I mix the water with the verm then squeeze it with two hands till nothing drips out. It still has alot of water in it if you pinch it between your fingers tho.




yeah when i made the second batch i used alot less water then the guides say, mycelium is progressing. there's a little condensation inside the jars but the mycelium is growing right past it. everything looks healthy, I'll post pics as soon as i can get some good shots.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7962403 - 01/31/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

finally, some pictures for anyone interested to see how its coming along.

before you look at them, its all healthy when i look at it by eye all growth is brilliant white. so remember, I'm using a shitty camera phone in tweaky lighting.

heres what i got. 6 days after inoculation.







[url=http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/08-005/184158879-cultivation4.jpg][image]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/08-


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7962417 - 01/31/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

only 3 pictures per page???









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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7962424 - 01/31/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)







remember all the green blue and wierd colors you see arn't really there.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7974991 - 02/03/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i had some errors on the times so ill fix it, i inoculated on
26th of January, 9 days ago.

these are the most colonized so far. i think its doing o.k. , what do you think? also there's more water condensation building up then i thought there would be, could it create a problem? how much longer do you think until 100%? also no one has answered my question about to hot or too cool? i inoculated 5 more jars last night, I'm gonna leave in room temperature (65 Fahrenheit) and see for myself. i could still use and answer though :P







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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7978190 - 02/04/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to try grain next time, probably popcorn, there's not many guides on that, does anyone know of one I'm missing? I'd like to buy RRs dvd but I'm really low on funds right now.

growth slowd down a bit, could the water condensation cause that?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7987554 - 02/06/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i have brown spots on the mycelium, i dont know what it is, it wasnt there before, i used the search funtion a thousand times to search fro brown contams or brown spot on mycelium ect ect but found no results that had anything to do with it.. there really tiny and it doesnt really look like a new mold, after about 12 days after inoculation i dont think they would be getting contaminated now??? could it be pinning, they havnt been in light long enough, could it be too hot? could the water condensation cause it? could rapid temprature drop cause it? there hasnt been reall just when i take them off the xbox to look for contams and check progress same when light comes.. anyone know anything about brown spots?? i noticed thi about 20 hours ago so i think if its pin it would be getting noticeable by now? please help any info helps.

also could the sub be too dry from heat or something? can that cause it to brown?? can it be dieing?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #7987652 - 02/06/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They are fine,looks good. Don't sweat the brown or the moisture. They do generate heat and moisture in the jar. Very normal, exciting huh?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: atomicblue]
    #8040839 - 02/18/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

all the sides are done and the bottoms are about half way, a few more days till full colinization.. i got some brusing on the bottom though, how can i fix it?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #8040937 - 02/18/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

kiss it and make it better :heart::tongue:


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: Jadis]
    #8041428 - 02/19/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

itll take a few days to unbruise.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: Jadis]
    #8042477 - 02/19/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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kiss it and make it better :heart::tongue:




i did :frown: k, i was just worrying thinkin maybe it was bad for it to bruise in the jar, iv;e never heard of that before.


anyway, should i turn them upside down, iv'e read that it will make the bottomes grow faster but i also read not to do it because moisture will get on the dry verm layer and let contams grow?

leave as is or flip them upside down?


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #8094097 - 03/02/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i birthed 5 about 3 days ago. about another week and i'll birth 4 more.

no fruits yet. E: dunked for 30 hours/rolled


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #8106645 - 03/05/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

3 pins on one cake (about 2 days ago) they dont seem to be growing at all and other then that nothing else, i mist 3-4 times a day theres over a hundred holes in the fc for fae temp is around 65-70, i didnt have much light on them maybe 4 hours a day, i have one of those eco friendly lights hanging about the fc now im gonna try for 12/12 on/off. maybe light is my issue? im 90% postive the cakes where 100% done.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #8111028 - 03/06/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

idk why u would have over a hundered holes in the fruiting chamber? that could possibly dry out ur cakes.. and i think that might be a couple degrees low.. and light should be 12/12....and the light could be the wrong spectrum or sump.
maybe sum1 will come in and correct me or add to this.

but yea i would look into these areas.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: KoDeInE]
    #8115237 - 03/07/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

only put a lotta holes if you can make like 6inches of perlite, if not, make a few holes.

the holes let the perlite evaporate faster meaning more humidity.


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: galadar]
    #8115419 - 03/07/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i have about 4 inches of perlite in a 13 inch tall FC about 22 inch long. cakes seem moist enough to me and i mist 2-4 times a day, i read somewhere on here that regular floresent light was fine. i think the light was the problem, i used it 12/12 for thoose 2 days, and everycake has pins now, they dont grow very fast..


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Re: First grow (grow log) [Re: BEEP]
    #8142389 - 03/13/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

just harvested 5 cakes. got about 100 grams wet, minus 11 caps i took for spore printing.:) i cant send pictures with my camera phone anymore.. its great. i also have 3 more cakes that colonized later in the FC, along with 2 half colonized jars of brf incubating at room temp. also. i was incubating at 82 degrees F, untill i had 1 jar contaminated, so i put them at room temp and they grow at least 3 times faster.


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