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Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password
#7923406 - 01/24/08 08:45 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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This case sets an important precedent. I'm glad it went in favor of the 5th amendment and not against it. We've eroded the Bill of Rights enough already.
As an aside, note that the "child pornography" in this case is animated. How old is a cartoon and how do you check his/her ID to verify age? How stoopid is the government going to get before it stops prosecuting thought crimes?
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A federal judge in Vermont has ruled that prosecutors can't force a criminal defendant accused of having illegal images on his hard drive to divulge his PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) passphrase.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Jerome Niedermeier ruled that a man charged with transporting child pornography on his laptop across the Canadian border has a Fifth Amendment right not to turn over the passphrase to prosecutors. The Fifth Amendment protects the right to avoid self-incrimination.
Niedermeier tossed out a grand jury's subpoena that directed Sebastien Boucher to provide "any passwords" used with his Alienware laptop. "Compelling Boucher to enter the password forces him to produce evidence that could be used to incriminate him," the judge wrote in an order dated November 29 that went unnoticed until this week. "Producing the password, as if it were a key to a locked container, forces Boucher to produce the contents of his laptop."
Especially if this ruling is appealed, U.S. v. Boucher could become a landmark case. The question of whether a criminal defendant can be legally compelled to cough up his encryption passphrase remains an unsettled one, with law review articles for the last decade arguing the merits of either approach. (A U.S. Justice Department attorney wrote an article in 1996, for instance, titled "Compelled Production of Plaintext and Keys.")
This debate has been one of analogy and metaphor. Prosecutors tend to view PGP passphrases as akin to someone possessing a key to a safe filled with incriminating documents. That person can, in general, be legally compelled to hand over the key. Other examples include the U.S. Supreme Court saying that defendants can be forced to provide fingerprints, blood samples, or voice recordings.
Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department prosecutor who's now a law professor at George Washington University, shares this view. Kerr acknowledges that it's a tough call, but says, "I tend to think Judge Niedermeier was wrong given the specific facts of this case."
The alternate view elevates individual rights over prosecutorial convenience. It looks to other Supreme Court cases saying Americans can't be forced to give "compelled testimonial communications" and argues the Fifth Amendment must apply to encryption passphrases as well. Courts already have ruled that that such protection extends to the contents of a defendant's minds, so why shouldn't a passphrase be shielded as well?
In this case, Judge Niedermeier took the second approach. He said that encryption keys can be "testimonial," and even the prosecution's alternative of asking the defendant to type in the passphrase when nobody was looking would be insufficient.
Laptop files: Unencrypted, then encrypted A second reason this case is unusual is that Boucher was initially arrested when customs agents stopped him and searched his laptop when he and his father crossed the border from Canada on December 17, 2006. An officer opened the laptop, accessed the files without a password or passphrase, and allegedly discovered "thousands of images of adult pornography and animation depicting adult and child pornography."
Boucher was read his Miranda rights, waived them, and allegedly told the customs agents that he may have downloaded child pornography. But then--and this is key--the laptop was shut down after Boucher was arrested. It wasn't until December 26 that a Vermont Department of Corrections officer tried to access the laptop--prosecutors obtained a subpoena on December 19--and found that the Z: drive was encrypted with PGP, or Pretty Good Privacy. (PGP sells software, including whole disk encryption and drive-specific encryption. It's a little unclear what exactly happened, but one likely scenario is that Boucher configured PGP to forget his passphrase, effectively re-encrypting the Z: drive, after a few hours or days had elapsed.)
According to Niedermeier's written opinion, prosecutors sent Boucher a grand jury subpoena asking for the passwords because:
Secret Service Agent Matthew Fasvlo, who has experience and training in computer forensics, testified that it is nearly impossible to access these encrypted files without knowing the password. There are no "back doors" or secret entrances to access the files. The only way to get access without the password is to use an automated system which repeatedly guesses passwords. According to the government, the process to unlock drive Z could take years, based on efforts to unlock similarly encrypted files in another case. Despite its best efforts, to date the government has been unable to learn the password to access drive Z.
The opinion added:
If the subpoena is requesting production of the files in drive Z, the foregone conclusion doctrine does not apply. While the government has seen some of the files on drive Z, it has not viewed all or even most of them. While the government may know of the existence and location of the files it has previously viewed, it does not know of the existence of other files on drive Z that may contain incriminating material. By compelling entry of the password the government would be compelling production of all the files on drive Z, both known and unknown.
Boucher is a Canadian citizen who is a lawful permanent resident in the United States and lives with his father in Derry, N.H. Two attorneys listed as representing him could not immediately be reached for comment on Friday.
So what happens next? It's possible that prosecutors will be able to establish that Boucher's laptop has child pornography on it without being able to access it: after all, there were at least two federal agents who looked at the laptop when the Z: drive was still unencrypted.
But if this ruling in the case is eventually appealed, it could have a far-reaching impact in a pro-privacy or pro-law-enforcement direction.
Michael Froomkin, a law professor at the University of Miami, has written that the government "would have a very hard time" trying to obtain a memorized passphrase. A similar argument, published in the University of Chicago Legal Forum in 1996, says:
The courts likely will find that compelling someone to reveal the steps necessary to decrypt a PGP-encrypted document violates the Fifth Amendment privilege against compulsory self-incrimination. Because most users protect their private keys by memorizing passwords to them and not writing them down, access to encrypted documents would almost definitely require an individual to disclose the contents of his mind. This bars the state from compelling its production. This would force law enforcement officials to grant some form of immunity to the owners of these documents to gain access to them.
But prosecutors think they can split the idea of immunity into two halves: divulging the passphrase, and then using the passphrase to decrypt the files. A 1996 article by Philip Reitinger of the Department of Justice's computer crime section proposes a clever device for forcing a defendant to divulge a PGP passphrase and then convicting him anyway (remember, the passphrase lets the key be used to decrypt the document):
Finally, even if the foregoing considerations require the government to grant act-of-production immunity to compel production of a key, the scope of the immunity should be quite narrow. The contents of the key are not privileged, and it is the contents that will be used to decrypt a document. Therefore, the government can use the contents of the decrypted document without impediment. Unless the government cannot authenticate the document to be decrypted without using the act of production of the key, granting act-of-production immunity should have little effect.
Translation: Giving a defendant limited immunity in terms of forcing them to turn over the passphrase can lead to a conviction. That's because the fellow technically isn't being convicted based on his passphrase; he's being convicted for what it unlocks. Isn't the law grand?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Diploid]
#7923417 - 01/24/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think if you have child porn they should be able to do what they want. Then they should let a whole prison population butt raped the kidfucker
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923441 - 01/24/08 08:57 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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It's anime child porn.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Diploid]
#7923446 - 01/24/08 09:00 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Still. 8 times outta 10 someone who has sick fantisys like that acts them out or will sometime in their life. They should chop his penis off before he scars some poor little kid
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923511 - 01/24/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Still. 8 times outta 10 someone who has sick fantisys like that acts them out or will sometime in their life. They should chop his penis off before he scars some poor little kid
I call Bullshit. Theres Absolutely NOTHING wrong Anime/CGI Kiddieporn, and before you go off calling me a pedophile for supporting a person's right to fantasize,.. I could give a flying fuck about what you find morally objectionable. Your morals mean dick to me.
Yes or No: Was a CHILD Victimized? If the answer is No... then wallow off ya bleeding sod, and leave the poor guy and his kind alone. And further more, I dont buy your argument (which is NOT backed by any credible statistics), that a person who induldges in a ficticious representation of kiddieporn would be more likely to commit the act than someone who would anyway.
That is the EXACT same arguement the christian right tried to make against violent video games, and its not workin here either.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923512 - 01/24/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Marijuana users should be preemptively thrown in jail too. If you smoke weed, you're probably into other shit, like supporting terrorism. WTF?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923541 - 01/24/08 09:36 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Its all sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit
Funny. I know some people who say the same about shroomin, its all relative. But dont take my word for it, my avatar features batman ejaculating onto a girls face.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923554 - 01/24/08 09:40 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Omg that's so not even a good comparison.
Kid porn to kid rape then pot to terrorism.... Derr
That's like a IQ test question 'which one does not belong"...
Cgi or real. Its all sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit
sick or not I still believe someone has the right to look at or draw it. it's hard to predict sex crimes. some say there is a correlation between pornography and rape. there is, however most fail to note how many people look at pornography and do not commit sex crimes. They only look at the people who do look at porn and commit sex crimes. Kinda like people who are afraid of flying. Sick or not until he commits an actual crime against a child I see nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cancer]
#7923568 - 01/24/08 09:48 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Funny. I know some people who say the same about shroomin, its all relative. But dont take my word for it, my avatar features batman ejaculating onto a girls face.
That's the most unintelligent thing I have heard in my life. Really. There is a astronomical differnce between child porn and shroomin
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923586 - 01/24/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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still what that would amount to is arresting someone because you think they may commit a crime...
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923605 - 01/24/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Its all sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit. sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit sicko shit
Funny. I know some people who say the same about shroomin, its all relative. But dont take my word for it, my avatar features batman ejaculating onto a girls face.
That's the most unintelligent thing I have heard in my life. Really. There is a astronomical differnce between child porn and shroomin
First Off-- We ARENT talking about child porn-- We are talking about the concept of SIMULATED kiddie porn. And secondly, im not comparing the two-- im making the statement that some people have a RELATIVE dislike for shrooms, just as you have a relative dislike for simulated kiddie porn. I can break it down into simpler terms for you to understand if this is all too complicated for you.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: THEBats]
#7923618 - 01/24/08 10:02 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think that it is good for privacy that the case went the way it is but I think people into child porn are sick fuckers and have the potential to move on to the real thing far more than say a pothead trying heroin
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923624 - 01/24/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Both are illegal, that counts for something, right?
That means both are morally objectionable to whomever makes the laws. To them, there's no astronomical difference, both are bad, deviant behaviours.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: rizingfire]
#7923628 - 01/24/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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true, but again I don't think it's right to arrest someone because you think they may commit the crime. You know what I'm saying. Also remember those kinds of statics really only focus on those convicted/caught for pedophilia. There's really no accurate way to calculate how many people look at animated child porn and move on to the real thing. There just no way to gather the data.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923682 - 01/24/08 10:28 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie: Preempative law enforcement is gay no matter how heinous the 'future' crime is.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cowgold]
#7923732 - 01/24/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I agree on that kinda.... I just can't look over my hatrid of kiddie fags
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cowgold]
#7923733 - 01/24/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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When a minor is victimized- it is a crime.
If no minor is victimized- there is no crime. Period.
You may not like the fact that an artist produces from his/her IMAGINATION, a situation where an imaginary minor is victimized... and then another adult takes that imaginary situation and incorporates it into his/her own imagination. But like I said before, I could really (not) give a damn what you, in your opinion, think is objectionable.
You have your own brain, think for yourself. Youre not thinking for me, and im not thinking for you... what I choose to keep inside my own brain is my business, and you yours.
The whole arguement of "Well, if they fantasize about fucking kiddies.. it makes them more comfortable with actually going out and fucking a kiddie" is utter BS IMO.
Perhaps your not aware of it... maybe you are.. but there are many websites who deal in Rape Porn. Fictitious scenarios arranged in studios where a model is paid to simulate being raped by another performer who is paid to simulate raping her. There is no actual rape going on, only the CONCEPT of rape. So by the very very same arguement, someone who enjoys the taboo of watching rape is likely to go out and rape somebody? Not likely, and studies prove this. Some psychologists actually recommend such sites as a healthy outlet for people experiencing fascination and desire in this way.
I will however state for the record that should someone be caught violating another person's (especially a child's) freewill in a sexual way, deserves to be rolled in sharp glass and then thrown into a pile of salt.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923834 - 01/24/08 11:17 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Real or simulated it is still a child. Your brain is fuct man. Your sick and you need help. Make a post and tell everyone else you like childporn if you don't care what people think. I net you won't. You don't got the balls. And you do care what people think.
Real or simulated it is still a child?? Let me clear something up for you.
IS A CHILD:

IS NOT A CHILD:

IS A CHILD:

IS NOT A CHILD:

IS A CHILD:

IS *STILL* NOT A CHILD:

Any questions?
No, kiddie porn aint my cup of tea... and yes, I really really really dont (and please believe me when I say this) give two shits or a fuck about what you think in regards to me or anything else. Your personal attacks are also very weak.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cancer]
#7923852 - 01/24/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Your just mentally retarded.... I made a thread for you. Its in the ótd. Why don't you come in there so we can talk like gentlemen.....
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923879 - 01/24/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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All for me, im honored I can get under your skin enough to elicit that sort of reaction. Cry me a river. Im not participating in that foolishness. Now hurry and an copy + paste this over there so you can rant some more about how you *think* im a pedo for defending right to thought. Seriously, what you lack in intellect, you certainly dont make up for in maturity. Im done with you, and unless you have some intellegent talking points to add to this discussion, I will continue to be done with you.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7923924 - 01/24/08 11:56 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't have a problem with punishing people who make child porn, but punishing people who possess it is an awful waste of resources.
Prison cells are expensive, we should reserve them for people who cross the line and actually cause a real person harm.
I only know one person who has intentionally possessed child porn - I dated her for a couple months. She was hot, blond, a real freak in every possible way. Though not a shroomery member, she is really into drugs and the taxonomy of mushrooms. She had a lot of porn on her computer, and even a special directory for child porn. She said the taboo aspect turned her on, and I am quite sure she never abused any kids.
She traded the child porn on p2p networks. I guess most people would say that she should go to prison for several years, but I think that would be quite a retarded waste of time and tax dollars.
I advised her to use PGP.
I doubt that watching child porn makes people abuse kids, its just using the children as an excuse to control what people do.
A very small percentage of the population will continue to abuse children sexually, porn or no child porn. This has always been the case and it always will be.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password *DELETED* [Re: Cubie]
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Is there really anything wrong with child porn? As long as the child isn't forced into it I don't see a problem at all. As long as their not hurting the child, what is wrong with it?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: poke smot!]
#7924158 - 01/24/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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poke smot! said: That's great news! (the self-incrimination part). I've been following this since the case popped up in news articles some time ago.
Now, this does not prevent someone from infiltrating a system and using a key logger to capture the password. Has this not happened before with FBI investigations into hushmail communications?
thats entraptment and likewise wouldnt stand up in court. imo ide whipe the drive if i were him. thats why i encrypt all my files so that when the feds come a knockin i dont gotta make a break for the microwave.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: THEBats]
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You are right and I agree, it is just an all around shitty situation IMO. My entire life I have had to deal with shit that happened when I was lil and no one fucked me so I can imagine what their lives are like. It is a real hot topic for me because I don't think they deserve the luxury of jail. They should be cut into pieces, an inch at a time, the cauterize it and give enough antibiotics to keep them from dying but rubb enough feces in the wounds to make it suck. No pain meds either. You just keep going til you run out of inches. At least a few good weeks of fun.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: nk pakelika]
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poke smot! said: That's great news! (the self-incrimination part). I've been following this since the case popped up in news articles some time ago.
Now, this does not prevent someone from infiltrating a system and using a key logger to capture the password. Has this not happened before with FBI investigations into hushmail communications?
thats entraptment and likewise wouldnt stand up in court. imo ide whipe the drive if i were him. thats why i encrypt all my files so that when the feds come a knockin i dont gotta make a break for the microwave.
Putting a keylogger on someones computer is not entrapment. Entrapment only applies when police convince you to commit a crime that you wouldn't have committed if the cop didn't try to talk you into it.
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Shamanintraining said: Is there really anything wrong with child porn? As long as the child isn't forced into it I don't see a problem at all. As long as their not hurting the child, what is wrong with it?
It might be hard to have a normal adult sex life if you were in porn as a child.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7924363 - 01/24/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: I think if you have child porn they should be able to do what they want. Then they should let a whole prison population butt raped the kidfucker
However this guy did say to the police that he may have downloaded child porn... I dont know about you but ive downloaded gigs of info from some hosts before without knowing what the files truly were. Sometimes you open the files and bam theres a 14 year old girl suckin cock.... definately not intentional, and theyre always deleted afterwards (i dont want that illegal shit on my computer), but still maybe that guy didnt even know what he had...
If I were in a situation where I was unaware of what the material I downloaded might contain, I would probably not divulge the information either.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cubie]
#7925408 - 01/24/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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-------------------- He did not laugh as his eyes stopped in awareness of the earth around him. His face was like a law of nature-a thing one could not question, alter or implore. It had high cheekbones over gaunt, hollow cheeks; gray eyes, cold and steady; a contemptuous mouth, shut tight, the mouth of an executioner or a saint. If you wake up at a different time in a different place, can you wake up a different person? Cf. A.C. Doyle "I'll rise above this, you can't keep me down, for I am Divine, and I know it all too well."
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: ManianFH]
#7925813 - 01/24/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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End up with all kinds of bullshits on this piece, dawg.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cowgold]
#7926350 - 01/24/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Whats wrong with yall?
The real issue isn't the porn, its your right to lock something away and not have anyone be able to read it.
The porn is nothing but a media grab to take more of your rights away from you.
Can this protect people who do bad things? unfortunitly yes.
Can this protect people who don't do bad things? yes.
Also just to point out the hypocrisy, the feds attempting to break his password would be a violation of the DMCA, that prevents you from tampering with any sort of digital security device, software or hardware.
The real question is, how much do any of you like the idea of living in a police state? even more of a police state than the USA has already become?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: wolfiexiii]
#7927631 - 01/24/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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> The real question is, how much do any of you like the idea of living in a police state? even more of a police state than the USA has already become?
Exactly.
It is sick and twisted for the government to require that you give up your passwords.
The powers that be understand that it is sick and twisted; that is why they like it.
When governments try this trick, they always run up against people who write programs that allow for several decryption keys which decrypt different data or no data at all - So it is impossible to prove that there is data that is not being divulged.
What if you encrypt a bunch of files on your HD - But set the encryption key to be a bunch of random keys you type when you bang your head on the keyboard. Should it be illegal to do this, knowing that you would never be able to help law enforcement decrypt the files, even if you wanted to?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7927817 - 01/25/08 12:27 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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> The real question is, how much do any of you like the idea of living in a police state? even more of a police state than the USA has already become?
A: It scares the hell outta me.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: Cancer]
#7928297 - 01/25/08 02:34 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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When I was 14 I use to download porn of other people in my age group having sex from IRC onto my moms computer. Had I gotten caught my mom likely would have ended up in trouble over it, and she never even knew I was doing it!
Point being in those days it just seemed natural to me, I wished I could be having sex, and hot damn there was pics of people my age having sex with each other. Sometimes I would pm other traders and chat with them, the people who look at childporn might give you a surprise. Here is the general profile I ran into:
Male in his 30's, has children. Professes not to abuse children and has no desire to, nor fantasies about children he knows. Was abused as a child. Relives fantasizes about that abuse and uses the porn as an aid in that fantasy. Feels really guilty about it.
Now don't get me wrong, I did run into a few people that were sickos(I was kind of a lucky idiot that nothing ever happened) the vast majority of those people weren't the sick fuckers that you'd think they were.
It's not about pot users continuing onto heroin. Adults who are into child porn are obviously hooked on something heavy(and are in need of mental help), but the question is whether one will knowingly victimize another to achieve that high is an entirely different story. As with any drug, there are casual users and remorseless fiends, similarly to drugs it makes more sense as a society to focus on removing victimizers rather than simply locking some one up because they have a disease.
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: MyOwnReality]
#7928312 - 01/25/08 02:41 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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<- Wants to note that he is in his early twenties, has no children and no desire to have any, in either sense of the word 'have.' Though sometimes I do relive the glories of my highschool years(yeah I got tail in highschool) in my fantasies. Wait, now does that make me a pedo?
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Re: Judge Rules: Man Can't Be Forced To Divulge His Password [Re: MyOwnReality]
#7928438 - 01/25/08 03:57 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I agree the bigger issue is that the judge ruled that the man didnt have to hand over his pass phrase which was pirate information within his mind.
Atleast 1 judge has the balls to uphold the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.
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