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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: debianlinux]
    #7923922 - 01/24/08 11:56 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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The OP pointed out things like blast radius and tsunamis but I was of the understanding that the real threat lies in the dust/steam cloud that suffocates and blots out the sun.




There are many planet-wide effects that impacts have had that we can see in the historical record. The aforementioned inundation of coastal areas is just one, along with the "Nuclear Winter" type effects on climate.

Add to this the serious geological disruptions caused by massive buckling of the crust, and you have a recipe for disaster on an almost unimaginable scale...


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: debianlinux]
    #7923934 - 01/24/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

And if they try to nuke it fallout will rain upon earth.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Cubie]
    #7923943 - 01/24/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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And if they try to nuke it fallout will rain upon earth.




This talk of nuking asteroids refers to detonating a warhead far out in space, to change its trajectory. Nuclear fallout would not be a factor.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7923958 - 01/24/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

You don't think it would fall to earth like space dust or mushroom spores?


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Cubie]
    #7923960 - 01/24/08 12:08 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Im not being a smart ass I'm really asking.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Asante]
    #7923981 - 01/24/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Honestly, I think an asteroid is the least of our problems right now.. even if it were going to hit Earth, which it's not.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Cubie]
    #7924002 - 01/24/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I'm not a nuclear physicist, but everything I've read about it describe affected areas that are less than a few hundred miles from ground zero. I picture these anti-asteroid detonations to be millions of miles into space.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Cubie]
    #7924018 - 01/24/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

You are aware that our sun is a colossal hydrogen fusion bomb constantly exploding and hurling radiation into our atmosphere to a degree that makes a laughingstock of a warhead in space, right?

You are in more danger of being poisoned by the elements in the smoke detectors surrounding your daily life than you would be from any fallout from a space nuke. Read up on our early nuclear space explosion experiments on Wikipedia sometime. There are drawbacks to the practice (EMP) but radioactive fallout isn't one of them. The fallout from traditional ground-based explosion is from the irradiated dust drawn into the mushroom cloud.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: debianlinux]
    #7924024 - 01/24/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)



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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: debianlinux]
    #7924031 - 01/24/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I didn't even think about the sun..wow I feel dumb right now.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Cubie]
    #7924097 - 01/24/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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I didn't even think about the sun..wow I feel dumb right now.




Only right now?


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7924167 - 01/24/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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That's a crazy attitude!

So you don't take medicine when you're sick, or eat when you're hungry?

Why would you passively sit back and accept whatever happens to you w/out taking any effort to affect your own destiny?




how's that a crazy attitude? when it's time to die, i hope i can be ready to willingly accept it. to me, there is no feasible means of countering that sort of strike...kind of like if someone shot me with a gun from a very far distance, or if a shark had a hold of me. there's little to nothing you can do to fight back in those situations

and no, i don't use prescription or otc medications when i'm sick (although, i do eat more and better foods that can help fight illness), and of course i eat when hungry [enough], but eating, something that needs to be done on a semi regular basis, is completely different than taking precautions for an asteroid destroying us


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We owe it to the starfishes and the zebras that we prevent this if we can.




this is religious fanatic bullshit. we are not the caretakers of this planet, just another species who also happens to be plaguing it and its other inhabitants (for the most part)

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4.5 G years of evolution could have been in vain, and what a waste it would be.




are you saying that evolution even has a purpose? what about the evolutions that resulted in the extinction of a species shortly after occurring? was that what they were meant to do?


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: demiu5]
    #7924201 - 01/24/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

You don't take any antibiotics after surgery (wisdom teeth come to mind)?

Getting shot from afar from a rifle isn't nearly analogous to getting hit by an asteroid. If you knew a tidal wave was incoming in the next 24 hours would you not move the hell away from the coast?

I wouldn't strongly contend that evolution has a purpose in the sense of a concrete destination. I would argue that evolved extinctions are well within the general purpose of evolution, tho. Evolution is by definition change. Some change is good and some is not. The changes that prove not so good are aborted. Hence, survival of the fittest. Any organism that does not react to a clear and present threat absolutely deserves to die. It has proven itself unfit to continue living.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Asante]
    #7924236 - 01/24/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Keep it real though, being wiped out by an asteroid would be a fucking awesome way to die


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: debianlinux]
    #7924271 - 01/24/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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You don't take any antibiotics after surgery (wisdom teeth come to mind)?

Getting shot from afar from a rifle isn't nearly analogous to getting hit by an asteroid. If you knew a tidal wave was incoming in the next 24 hours would you not move the hell away from the coast?

I wouldn't strongly contend that evolution has a purpose in the sense of a concrete destination. I would argue that evolved extinctions are well within the general purpose of evolution, tho. Evolution is by definition change. Some change is good and some is not. The changes that prove not so good are aborted. Hence, survival of the fittest. Any organism that does not react to a clear and present threat absolutely deserves to die. It has proven itself unfit to continue living.




i don't even go to doctors, let alone allow them to give me pills or shots.  now, if it is something completely taken from nature, i'm fine with that, but i wouldn't use any semi-synth or synthetic medications, no

i didn't say rifle, and dead is dead, so what's the difference?

depending on if i had a family, not necessarily.  i've ridden out tornadoes that were visible from where i was standing, and those were quite the experiences of a lifetime.  but i'd never live on the coast to begin with, so.. :smirk:

using good or bad here doesn't really work, as that is just our perspective on it.  living and not living [anymore] works better and leaves no room for judgement.  there are evolutions i'm sure we would consider to be 'bad' but if the organism is still living, then it can't be all that 'bad'


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7924333 - 01/24/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Keep it real though, being wiped out by an asteroid would be a fucking awesome way to die



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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Annom]
    #7924704 - 01/24/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

if we are indeed part of the collective conscious, wouldn't it make sense whether we chose to live or die? i think either a. it doesn't hit us and we pass b. we use technology but are still drawn to the material or c. it hits us and energy isn't created nor destroyed.


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Asante]
    #7925544 - 01/24/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

is that the one that could swing back around and hit us?


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: Asante]
    #7925554 - 01/24/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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For some reason, I am absolutely not worried about asteroids hitting the earth. I think it's a dignified way for humanity to end.




We owe it to the starfishes and the zebras that we prevent this if we can. It wouldn't just be humanity wiped out, but perhaps all life on earth. 4.5 G years of evolution could have been in vain, and what a waste it would be.

Besides, the chance of an asteroid like Tuesday's blammo hitting first is far, far more likely than a 50km Doomsday whopper falling from the skies. One that will only cause mass-suffering, not total extinction. A kind of Nuclear Winter could be the result.

It's not just us humans on the planet, we have all possible lifeforms to defend here. Harmless little critters who's survival depends on us getting our heads out of our asses and taking planetary responsibility.

Maybe mankind is Evolution's answer to being pommeled with Extinction Level Event asteroids every odd hundred million years, ever think of that one? We are a young species in a destructive type of civilization now, but perhaps our role in the grand scheme of things is to preserve life on earth and spread it among the stars.




Somehow that seems a little human-centric to me. That we are the sole protectors of this planet? I doubt that profoundly. The best thing that could happen to this planet is that we all die. Or get a clue :heart:


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Re: 2007TU24 -- We are so fucked [Re: demiu5]
    #7926120 - 01/24/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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i don't even go to doctors, let alone allow them to give me pills or shots.  now, if it is something completely taken from nature, i'm fine with that, but i wouldn't use any semi-synth or synthetic medications, no



the large majority of antibiotics are entirely derived from fungi. hell, the large majority of pharma is entirely derived from entirely organic sources like fricking coral, fish, grains and tree bark.

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i didn't say rifle, and dead is dead, so what's the difference?



whether or not you made a legitimate attempt to avoid the obvious annihilation headed your way.

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depending on if i had a family, not necessarily.  i've ridden out tornadoes that were visible from where i was standing, and those were quite the experiences of a lifetime.  but i'd never live on the coast to begin with, so.. :smirk:




I have ridden out tornadoes within line of sight. not quite the same as lack-a-daisically ignoring the large fucking rock slowly (relatively speaking) hurtling towards your head.

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using good or bad here doesn't really work, as that is just our perspective on it.  living and not living [anymore] works better and leaves no room for judgement.  there are evolutions i'm sure we would consider to be 'bad' but if the organism is still living, then it can't be all that 'bad'



my argument is that if the thing is still alive and reproducing then the evolution was good.


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