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Anonymous #1

debate board
    #7922542 - 01/23/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Should the Shroomery have a board specifically designated for the art and pleasure of debate?
Debate board?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (01/23/08 11:12 PM) to (No end specified)
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Anonymous #2

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7922552 - 01/23/08 11:14 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Good luck with keeping the riff-raff outta that one.


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Anonymous #3

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7922838 - 01/24/08 12:49 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

its called P&S.


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Anonymous #4

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #7922951 - 01/24/08 01:48 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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its called P&S.




Philosophy & Sarcasm?

P&S is just about the least spiritual board we have, unless nihilism and debunking other peoples beliefs is considered a form of Spirituality.

P&S isn't a debate board, not in the sense I believe the OP intends it.

But what would the Debate Forum debate about? Debate about debating?


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Anonymous #5

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7922981 - 01/24/08 02:16 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

We could hold debating contests, and the winners would be titled "Master Debaters".


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Anonymous #4

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #7923048 - 01/24/08 03:37 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Lots of mass-debating going on!


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Anonymous #6

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7923083 - 01/24/08 04:27 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

STAL?


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Anonymous #7

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7923203 - 01/24/08 06:51 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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its called P&S.




Philosophy & Sarcasm?

P&S is just about the least spiritual board we have, unless nihilism and debunking other peoples beliefs is considered a form of Spirituality.






















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Anonymous #8

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7923268 - 01/24/08 07:35 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Good luck with keeping the riff-raff outta that one.




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Anonymous #9

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7923517 - 01/24/08 09:26 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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its called P&S.




Philosophy & Sarcasm?

P&S is just about the least spiritual board we have, unless nihilism and debunking other peoples beliefs is considered a form of Spirituality.





At least it has some basis in reality. There is no truth to be found in burying your head in the sand and refusing to look at anything that might be contrary to your world view.


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Anonymous #4

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7923588 - 01/24/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

P&S could be called the Waterboard forum.

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At least it has some basis in reality




It has a basis in the consensus reality of certain people.

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There is no truth to be found in burying your head in the sand and refusing to look at anything that might be contrary to your world view.




In P&S there is a tendency to consider anything that doesn't follow the nihilist interpretation of science is inherently incorrect. Ideas aren't engaged there, they are shot down from the very start.

"What if.."
"No there is nothing."

Thats not openmindedness. The Mysticism forum was created for a reason, and the only reason it is "debate free" is to prevent the few people who invariably debunk everything in P&S from invariably debunking anything they say, and with that infringe on their freedom of speech.

You can't disprove or prove God, but P&S is anti-God
You can't disprove or prove religion, but P&S is anti-religion

Its pseudoscience with a nihilist inclination. No feelings, just logic. Thread after thread of people who all feel something sucks and are exchanging their reasons why it sucks. Thats not debate, its negativism. It would be emo if emotions weren't repressed.


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Anonymous #9

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7923914 - 01/24/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I just don't understand how you people can be so offended by someone else pointing out why something just isn't feasible...

I mean, if you you think you see a Yeti in some rock outcrop on Mars, thats all fine and dandy. But why should you be so defensive when someone else says that yes, its probably a rock outcrop. Why should reality be ruthlessly quashed in order to propagate fantasy and supertition?

You can say "Thats just your view", or "Thats one reality", but the fact is that some things are true and some things are false. Either its a rock outcrop or its a fucking yeti. There is not some Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of UFOs and Xenobiology. Things are not one thing to one person and one thing to another. Things either ARE, or ARE NOT.

I always think its funny how philosophizing nuts and religious kooks say we should have open minds, but when pointed towards information which may prove them to be wrong they cry "Foul" and run screaming away towards the nearest source of disinformation and comfy-cozy nonsense.


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Anonymous #10

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7924132 - 01/24/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

:congrats:


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Anonymous #1

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #7924616 - 01/24/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Who decides what's feasible? Feasibility is totally subjective.

I'm the OP and I spend a lot of time on P&S. Debate is an integral part of what P&S is all about, and it wouldn't be worth going to without it. However, it appears some people go there just for the sake of the debate. Being that debate is a perfectly valid pursuit without spiritual and philosophical underpinnings, I think P&S (and the Shroomery in general) could benefit from a debate forum.


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Anonymous #1

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7926910 - 01/24/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Well, I officially give up on this. Nobody has bothered to actually read every word of my posts on the subject. I ENJOY debate being a part of P&S and I've said it a billion fucking times. I wouldn't like P&S if people didn't tell me I was wrong there. I've always accepted it when I was truly wrong there and revised my positions accordingly. That doesn't make it "The Debate Forum." Is political discussion "The Debate Forum?" No. And neither is P&S. But even the moderators tell me I'm full of shit without trying to understand my point. Glossing over important individual words, jumping to conclusions and then telling me I'm wrong based on those conclusions is poor debate, anyway. This is BS.
-Tchan909


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Anonymous #11

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7926967 - 01/24/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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he Mysticism forum was created for a reason, and the only reason it is "debate free" is to prevent the few people who invariably debunk everything in P&S from invariably debunking anything they say, and with that infringe on their freedom of speech.




How does this infringe upon their freedom of speech? Are their posts deleted? Are they forced to hold back their thoughts? You are confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences of one's speech.


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Anonymous #12

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #7927080 - 01/24/08 10:04 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Icelander is secretly a teenage emo


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Anonymous #13

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #7927096 - 01/24/08 10:07 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

The trick is to use their own tools against them. I promise that P&S will be seeing more formal critique of the critiques of the master debaters. :tongue:


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Anonymous #14

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7927279 - 01/24/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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P&S could be called the Waterboard forum.

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At least it has some basis in reality




It has a basis in the consensus reality of certain people.

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There is no truth to be found in burying your head in the sand and refusing to look at anything that might be contrary to your world view.




In P&S there is a tendency to consider anything that doesn't follow the nihilist interpretation of science is inherently incorrect. Ideas aren't engaged there, they are shot down from the very start.

"What if.."
"No there is nothing."

Thats not openmindedness. The Mysticism forum was created for a reason, and the only reason it is "debate free" is to prevent the few people who invariably debunk everything in P&S from invariably debunking anything they say, and with that infringe on their freedom of speech.

You can't disprove or prove God, but P&S is anti-God
You can't disprove or prove religion, but P&S is anti-religion

Its pseudoscience with a nihilist inclination. No feelings, just logic. Thread after thread of people who all feel something sucks and are exchanging their reasons why it sucks. Thats not debate, its negativism. It would be emo if emotions weren't repressed.




It's ok to have your feelings hurt sometimes. doesn't mean there's something wrong with P&S.


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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #7927323 - 01/24/08 10:45 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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It's ok to have your feelings hurt sometimes. doesn't mean there's something wrong with P&S.




QFT


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Anonymous #16

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7927596 - 01/24/08 11:36 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #7927736 - 01/25/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #10

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7927746 - 01/25/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #7927752 - 01/25/08 12:07 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #10

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7927758 - 01/25/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #7927803 - 01/25/08 12:22 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Anonymous #17

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #7945086 - 01/28/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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its called P&S.




No..

What a sad view.


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Anonymous #17

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7945094 - 01/28/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Some grow up.. Some need to prove their point to others, to be sure about themselves..

Let them have their own forum, FGS!


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Anonymous #17

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7945098 - 01/28/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Anonymous #15

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    #7946535 - 01/28/08 05:57 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #17]
    #7946539 - 01/28/08 05:58 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Some grow up.. Some need to prove their point to others, to be sure about themselves..

Let them have their own forum, FGS!




And the award for 100% gay goes to...


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Anonymous #4

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7948095 - 01/28/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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It's ok to have your feelings hurt sometimes. doesn't mean there's something wrong with P&S.




In case you haven't been reading, there IS something wrong with P&S. Its like the OTD for the Holier Than Thou, except unlike OTD these guys aren't playing.

Philosophers are the first people who ought to know that any philosophical stance is inherently unprovable, but these guys fight for intellectual supremacy like the Nihilist Fundamentalists they are.

For some of them it seems their "logic" is all they have, that that's the only language they grasp. They take beautiful concepts and break them down to the most depressing kinds of rationalizations and for them, that's all it is.

There is downright hating on beliefs systems and looking down on anyone who doesn't worship their god of Depressing Logic. Much of the threads there are circle jerks anyway, full of posts of the same people stroking the same egos over and over.

Thats not philosophy and its not debate, not like it should be.


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Anonymous #18

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7949556 - 01/29/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Sometimes I like to read P&S, but akin to OTD, if you post a topic that may be somewhat off the straight and narrow, you'll get flamed/ganged up on.  It's really just pathetic that people love doing that shit.  I mean, you see some of the same people in there pushing their agenda month after month after month.....

That being said, there are a lot of good posters in there, not everyone is a douche.  Just a lot of the guys who seem to "run" the forum.

As for a debate forum, fuck no.  That's just dumb.  Next we'll have a forum for better techniques on how to masturbate.... :rolleyes:


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Anonymous #9

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7951456 - 01/29/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Philosophers are the first people who ought to know that any philosophical stance is inherently unprovable, but these guys fight for intellectual supremacy like the Nihilist Fundamentalists they are.

For some of them it seems their "logic" is all they have, that that's the only language they grasp. They take beautiful concepts and break them down to the most depressing kinds of rationalizations and for them, that's all it is.

There is downright hating on beliefs systems and looking down on anyone who doesn't worship their god of Depressing Logic. Much of the threads there are circle jerks anyway, full of posts of the same people stroking the same egos over and over.

Thats not philosophy and its not debate, not like it should be.




Oh my fucking god.

What do you find so offensive about LOGIC? About FACTS? Why does every little single fucking thing have to be couched in all kinds of fanciful terms and mystical mumbo-jumbo for you to feel comfortable?

Why can a bird flying across the sky just be a fucking bird, instead of some important symoblism that the Great God Vishnu has taken on his bird-form avatar and is now winging his way to the great Hindu Crystal to add your prayers to the over-flowing Hindu Bucket o' Devotion?

Everything in life is not some philosophical circle jerk. There is nothing wrong with dealing in FACTS. If you are uncomfortable with this, why not try hanging out at a pre-school where people are more in touch with their "fantastical" side.


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Anonymous #1

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7951565 - 01/29/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I only made this post because I felt intuitive statements made on P&S occasionally (OCCASIONALLY) get more flak than they deserve, simply because they can't cite a source that agrees with personal observations, and that debate rapidly breaks down into absurdity. Most of the harsh rationality there is 100% justified and that's why I love it there. I'm not really that fussed about it either way and you'll notice I stay away from M&P, which is where you should go if you're seriously troubled by being told your personally imagined beliefs aren't logically sound.
-Tchan909


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Anonymous #15

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7954626 - 01/30/08 06:49 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Anonymous #4

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7954739 - 01/30/08 08:18 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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What do you find so offensive about LOGIC?




I find logic abuse offensive. I hate seeing logic abused as a weapon. I also hate logic being put on the pedestal of being the Gospel Truth. We don't have the truth.


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Nothing wrong, except nobody has the absolute truth, so everyone who has the "facts" and the "truth" and dismisses other peoples beliefs with it all are zealots.

Stop fighting each other to make your personal truth prevail. Its destroying the world.

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Why can a bird flying across the sky just be a fucking bird, instead of some important symoblism that the Great God Vishnu has taken on his bird-form avatar and is now winging his way to the great Hindu Crystal to add your prayers to the over-flowing Hindu Bucket o' Devotion?




I'm not a Hindu. Why conjure up this fantasy? Ah I see, your anti-religious sentiments have gotten you pissed off again.

Growling, snarling, hissing, roaring.. Don't use logic as a weapon to vent your aggression. And don't delude yourself by thinking you hold the absolute truth.


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Anonymous #9

Re: debate board [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7955164 - 01/30/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I use that example because its typical of the philosophical-mythological bullshit you people spew all the time.

If you really believe that nothing is true, and nothing is false, and everyone's point is equally valid then you can hide out in your little fantasy forum.

But you have to be able to look at that objectively and see that is nonsense.

How can you not agree that some things are FACTS? I don't understand this. Do you believe you exist, or not? Does 2 + 2 = 4 Or is it sometimes 5?

And yes, it makes me angry. I cannot stand people who bash science because they don't understand it. Don't tell me that nothing can ever be proven because *YOU* don't like the proof that is given. If every new idea had to be vetted with philosophers and mystics we'd still be living in caves while they argued whether or not fire really existed, and if it did, whether we could use it without upsetting the great Earth Deity, or some stupid bullshit like that.

Your path is one where they burned witches at the stake and murdered millions of people in the name of fear, superstition, and religion.

Why the hell would you advocate this position?


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