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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7923741 - 01/24/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I have two cats. They are both definitely cats, yet one has a larger body and entirely different markings than the other.

Does the fact that they have different colour fur make them different "species"?


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: trendal]
    #7923750 - 01/24/08 10:50 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

No.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Diploid]
    #7924239 - 01/24/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Am I a better person because I have hazel eyes?

No. It's that cute dimple. :grin:




Not to mention my great smile!  :grin:  :lol:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7924715 - 01/24/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Aside from the fact that certain races are more likely to contract certain diseases, what, if any, true and important differences are there between the races?




Most scientists are too afraid to touch race and, consequentially, if there are real, identifiable differences between races, we sure as hell don't have any evidence of it.

Statistically, difference races perform differently, but it is impossible to disentangle whether this is cultural or genetic.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7924726 - 01/24/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

There is quite a bit of research concerning racial differences as they relate to health. As far as intelligence, violent tendencies, criminality, etc... there are too many confounding factors to allow for scientific study.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7924750 - 01/24/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

We hashed this out real good here a few years ago. If you're interested:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4724333#Post4724333


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7925052 - 01/24/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

What i wanna know is... Were we all black and some of us turned white or were we all white and some of us turned black? What came first the chicken or the egg?


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: mycould]
    #7925079 - 01/24/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Humanity seems to have originated in Africa, so it would be black.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: mycould]
    #7926348 - 01/24/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Black came first. There are several pretty good reasons for accepting this, probably more than I am aware of.

First of all, as Icelander pointed out, our species originated in Africa, so our earliest ancestors would probably have been dark skinned. At some point there was a migration out of Africa and into the rest of the world. Notice that the only people on the planet with 'white' skin and blue or green eyes are in Europe. Everywhere else in the world, people have black hair, brown eyes and some shade of brown skin. This clearly indicates that white skin/blond hair/green/blue eyes is the mutation, not vice versa. It makes sense, as Europe is colder and darker, being that it is at a higher latitude, and there would have been genetic selection in the region in favor of paler skin, as it allows for more efficient absorption of vitamin D from less intense sun.

There you have it. The evidence is pretty conclusive, and there is pretty broad consensus in the Physical Anthropology and Genetics communities that this is the obvious answer. :thumbup:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7926588 - 01/24/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

was Jesus black?


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7926691 - 01/24/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

No, he was of Middle Eastern descent, if he actually existed.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7929093 - 01/25/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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drkrobotnik said:
was Jesus black?




I think he was Cuban.:thumbup:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929485 - 01/25/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

No, he was a Mexican named HehSUS (Jesus in Spanish). :yesnod:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Diploid]
    #7929491 - 01/25/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

You're right. I've seen him. He works a construction crew in my town.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929550 - 01/25/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

He used to come to my cafe and buy coffees for the younger, broker mexican construction workers. Jesus was a really generous guy!


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7929559 - 01/25/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I heard he could turn water into coffee


(with the addition of only a few beans, it's a miracle)


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Icelander]
    #7929588 - 01/25/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I was impressed when he parted the 1/2 and 1/2.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7929593 - 01/25/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I :heart: you V.

(is this off topic?:confused:)


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7929636 - 01/25/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

What's so hard about that? I can part my hair. :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Diploid]
    #7929654 - 01/25/08 12:46 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

What's left of it?  :wink:


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