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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7921748 - 01/23/08 08:42 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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There are physical differences associated with particular ethnic backgrounds, and there are psychological differences associated with different cultures and family systems. So what?

Does my European and British Isles ancestry mean something about me as an individual? Sure. Does it mean enough for others to need to know about it & make decisions about me based upon it? No way.


There is one race: human. All the little details are even less genetically significant than the difference between a German Shepherd and an Akita.




I don't know why you mentioned ethnicity, as that's completely different from the idea of race. Ethnicity relates to one's country of origin; race relates to physical appearance (usually).

I agree with you that there is only one race of human, and that is plain and simple Homo Sapien.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7921750 - 01/23/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

It's not a "race" that makes us human, it's those of us that are human that make the race.

A human being can roll a ball to another, its up to the other if he/she rolls it back.

People with pure blood tend to be to proud, or they allow themselfs to be brain washed into thinking their better. My dad is pure serbian, he always talks shit about other races, my mom is a mutt, im a mutt.

I know i'm a good person with good intentions, but because im mixed between diffrent genetics, does it make me bad?

people are way to caught up in "appearence"


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7921799 - 01/23/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I doubt that it's generally true that 'people of pure blood' tend to be proud of it. I'm pretty much pure white. More like pure swine pink. Ethnically Irish, to be precise. I'm not particularly proud or ashamed of it. It's just the facts of my genetic background.

Your dad's excessive ethnic pride probably arises from being socialised in a culture that is rife with extreme ethnic tension. There have been wars and genocides in the Balkans for generations over this shit. It's insane. I'm sure you already know that, I just wanted to make sure it's clear that ethnic pride has nothing to do with 'blood' and a lot more to do with learning from the people around us.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7921846 - 01/23/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

You said it better then I could NiamhNyx

im loving this section of the forum more and more.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7921849 - 01/23/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

You are right; that analogy was too strong. The differences between the human races are like the differences between strains of marijuana or mushrooms.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7921906 - 01/23/08 09:12 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I know i'm a good person with good intentions, but because im mixed between diffrent genetics, does it make me bad?





No, racial interbreeding can be a good thing and it will eventually eliminate races entirely as the best aspects of each race combine into a single dominate hybrid.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7921971 - 01/23/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

:thumbup: The sooner the better.:doggystyle:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7922034 - 01/23/08 09:39 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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No, racial interbreeding can be a good thing and it will eventually eliminate races entirely as the best aspects of each race combine into a single dominate hybrid.




This idea freaks me out a little. Why do so many people think that eliminating diversity is such a good idea? I'm definitely all for having mixed race babies all over the place-- but the notion of interbreeding to the inevitable conclusion of being one giant hybrid 'race' and there are no discernable physical differences between people is kinda creepy. I think it's awesome that people come in so many different shapes, sizes and colours. It keeps things interesting.

I once had a boyfriend who was convinced this was the only true solution to racism. Eliminate difference. I can tell you, that relationship didn't last much longer.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7922087 - 01/23/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Ethnic
Of or relating to a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.




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Race
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.





Obviously there is quite a bit of overlap between these two terms. I use "ethnic" because it includes other aspects of individuality which are often mistakenly identified with race.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7922130 - 01/23/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Right, and you were correct in doing so. There can be overlap between those two concepts, depending on how you choose to define those terms. Ethnicity does not necessarily imply a certain race, just as race does not necessarily imply a certain ethnicity. My point is that we need to be sure we're making a distinction between race and ethnicity.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7922189 - 01/23/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I think that ethnicity has much more influence over the characteristics a particular individual will exhibit than race alone. While physical characteristics may have more to do with genetic "race" (somewhat of a misnomer, as there is only one type of human), the cultural group in which one is raised & with which one identifies matters more.

We all came from Africa originally, and this origin is not far in our past in evolutionary time. As I said, so what?


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7922290 - 01/23/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Race will matter as long as people think it matters.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7922316 - 01/23/08 10:34 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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We all came from Africa originally, and this origin is not far in our past in evolutionary time.  As I said, so what?




The most fun you can possibly have with a white supremacist is to explain the evidence for this fact and to add on the obvious implication: that the earliest ancestors of every single person alive today (including the white supremacist himself) would have been 'black.' :yesnod:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7922592 - 01/23/08 11:23 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I think that ethnicity has much more influence over the characteristics a particular individual will exhibit than race alone. While physical characteristics may have more to do with genetic "race" (somewhat of a misnomer, as there is only one type of human), the cultural group in which one is raised & with which one identifies matters more.

We all came from Africa originally, and this origin is not far in our past in evolutionary time. As I said, so what?




I'm not arguing that race matters. I said I agree with you, in that race, being something defined by physical characteristics, is a foolish concept. You're right, we should be asking ourselves, So what?


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7922654 - 01/23/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I thought the point of the thread was to question whether the concept of race had any merit. As it is based on trivial genetic variation it clearly doesn't. Ethnicity, on the other hand, is based on cultural and linguistic differences and thus has more grounding in reality and more basis recognizing as an authentic institution.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7923271 - 01/24/08 07:37 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Yes, I agree.  However, ethnicity also refers to racial differences, along with broader aspects of human cultures.  It can be difficult to tease out the actual genetic characteristics of race, as those of differing genetic backgrounds are usually raised within a related culture.

I think that minor genetic differences between humans matter very little.  Am I a better person because I have hazel eyes?  Does my wavy hair indicate higher intelligence?  :lol:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7923336 - 01/24/08 08:14 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I thought there were Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are the only differences as far as race goes, being broken into 3 types, each with genetic issues confined mainly withing that group....ahhh I can't think right now so I am gonna not bother...lol


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7923369 - 01/24/08 08:28 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

There is one thing above all others that characterizes "race" as it is usually understood: skin colour.

Skin colour is determined by the distance from the Earth's equator, and thus from the sun's light...with persons living close to the equator having dark skin and persons living near the poles having lighter skin.

If you look at it, there isn't really a "dividing point" among the skin colours. It is a progressive thing, with the most white people at the poles and the most dark people at the equator, and everything in between.

We started our existence on this planet as one species...and we remain as one species.


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: Veritas]
    #7923621 - 01/24/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Am I a better person because I have hazel eyes?

No. It's that cute dimple. :grin:


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Re: Does Race Matter? [Re: trendal]
    #7923726 - 01/24/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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There is one thing above all others that characterizes "race" as it is usually understood: skin colour.

Skin colour is determined by the distance from the Earth's equator, and thus from the sun's light...with persons living close to the equator having dark skin and persons living near the poles having lighter skin.

If you look at it, there isn't really a "dividing point" among the skin colours. It is a progressive thing, with the most white people at the poles and the most dark people at the equator, and everything in between.

We started our existence on this planet as one species...and we remain as one species.




Exactly. But unfortunately the majority of United States society does not see it that way.


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