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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge!  [Re: deranger]
#7939865 - 01/27/08 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In all honesty I just don't see how a group of people could make a crop circle as large and as geometrically complex and accurate as some of the ones that have appeared.
What does your incredulity tell us about the alleged phenomenon?
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Diploid]
#7939871 - 01/27/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree that a large majority of it IS probably hoax. But still... to believe it is ALL hoax, it's still a belief and an assumption. My mind is open to anything man...
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deranger
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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In all honesty I just don't see how a group of people could make a crop circle as large and as geometrically complex and accurate as some of the ones that have appeared.
What does your incredulity tell us about the alleged phenomenon?
I don't believe it was a super-human, a ufo, or a human. I just don't know anything. It's just bizzare.
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: deranger]
#7939899 - 01/27/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But still... to believe it is ALL hoax, it's still a belief and an assumption.
So essentially, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can be shown to you that will convince you these things are made by people having fun. Even showing you the guys who INVENTED crop circles admitting that it was a hoax and making one in real time on camera isn't enough.
And you talk about open minds?
This is like insisting that, although the Tooth Fairy probably doesn't exist, it's possible that she's living in a nice condo on Mars. There is, after all, the missing tooth evidence. 
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Diploid]
#7939930 - 01/27/08 12:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still refuse to believe.
"The work of the BLT research team (consisting of John Burke, William Levengood, and Nancy Talbott) has placed crop-circle research on a firm scientific footing. Of the 300 or so crop formations sampled and examined since 1990, more than 90% showed anomalous effects in plant tissues and/or the soil. During this period, three research papers have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, establishing that the creation of many crop formations involves something much more intriguing than human pranksters with planks and boards. Sceptics have objected that much of the BLT’s work has not been conducted in a double-blind manner (so that experimenter bias might have influenced the results), but they haven’t been able to show that the anomalous effects in question can be produced by flattening crop by mechanical means."
"Stalks of flattened crop are usually enlarged and stretched, as if they have been heated from the inside. Sometimes this effect is so powerful that the node literally explodes, blowing holes in the node walls and spewing sap outside the stalk. Node expansion is not always entirely confined to plants within the flattened area of crop, as if some spillover of the energy involved has occurred. There are known mechanisms that explain an increase in node length after a crop is flattened, such as gravitropism (whereby a plant tries to straighten itself after being pressed down), but some studies suggest that this mechanism cannot account for node-length increases of more than about 20%, whereas increases of up to 200% have been measured in crop formations."
"Comparison of nodes within a crop formation (left) and from 75 feet outside it (right).
"Node elongation and expulsion cavities have been induced in plants in the laboratory by placing them in a microwave oven for 20 to 30 seconds. Microwave radiation heats the moisture inside the stem which, as it turns into steam and expands, either stretches the more elastic fibres at the top of the plant, or blows holes in the tougher nodes farther down the stem."
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: deranger]
#7939948 - 01/27/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you watch the video? All those effects are explained. In fact, the original hoaxers get a kick out of so called "experts" who noticed "impossible" things that the hoaxers hadn't even been trying to do, but that were a natural, unwitting result of their technique.
I still refuse to believe.
Obviously.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Diploid]
#7939998 - 01/27/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Mystic Dictionary
open-mindedness: the propensity to glom on to the latest 'mystery' phenomenon with the flimsiest of evidence.
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Diploid]
#7940094 - 01/27/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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All those effects are explained.
I couldn't find it...
Call me a mystic, but know that I'm not in complete disagreement.
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Diploid]
#7941290 - 01/27/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
But still... to believe it is ALL hoax, it's still a belief and an assumption.
So essentially, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can be shown to you that will convince you these things are made by people having fun. Even showing you the guys who INVENTED crop circles admitting that it was a hoax and making one in real time on camera isn't enough.
And you talk about open minds?
This is like insisting that, although the Tooth Fairy probably doesn't exist, it's possible that she's living in a nice condo on Mars. There is, after all, the missing tooth evidence.
 You know where she lives?
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Its just darth vader.
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Ego Death]
#7942310 - 01/27/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think most people who honestly believe in this sort of thing are just overwhelmingly bored with their lives, and so they reach for anything that seems fantastic and incredible to make their perceived reality more interesting. It's a sort of perverse fascination with the unbelievable.
They're looking in the wrong place; reality has infinite depth, infinite nuance, without blind leaps of faith that paint it over in a flat shade of gray.
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i make cow pie circles. no ones caught on yet.
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Looks like a naked female to me..
I think Hugh Hefner ran out of location for playboy shoot, and hit upon Mars as the ultimate location...;)
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: deranger]
#7944476 - 01/28/08 09:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Call me a mystic
Mystic.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: Icelander]
#7944797 - 01/28/08 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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 what if .05% of my time is of interest in this stuff, does that make me .05% mystic?
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Icelander
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Re: Life on Mars? You B da judge! [Re: deranger]
#7944965 - 01/28/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just .05% silly.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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