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OfflineDroz
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What came before this?
    #7918974 - 01/23/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

So what if this actually started out from something that existed before. Something like a creature that just created everything. Why do we need to wonder where it came from, if it was always there?

Know what I mean? We do not need to question what came before for it has always been there.

Stop questioning things that can't be answered and start answering the things that can.

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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7918977 - 01/23/08 07:37 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

ha!
know what you are?
ha!
lotsa questions are bullshit!
we are lucky we can ask them!
snot worms and hair!
ha!


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Re: What came before this? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7918995 - 01/23/08 07:49 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I would appreciate it if you at least took some time to respond!

What is this jibberish?


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7919024 - 01/23/08 08:01 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
So what if this actually started out from something that existed before. Something like a creature that just created everything. Why do we need to wonder where it came from, if it was always there?

Know what I mean? We do not need to question what came before for it has always been there.

Stop questioning things that can't be answered and start answering the things that can.

Peace,
Droz




What if one could know what came before?

"I never conform myself to one answer alone, even if it is 100% correct.. As there are always more when put in different contexts!"


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7919230 - 01/23/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Time simply isn't linear at some extreme condition like an imagined singularity. By definition, if all mass/energy exists in only one point in space, then there is NO time.
So it can run in cycles, or can run backwards or can separate universes and may be intertwingeled multilayered :smile:
We are just living in a quite stable place and 'time' right here and now, where we can expect some linearity :wink:
So our universe is not only even a space bubble, but also a time bubble inter-in between the multiverse...


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7919289 - 01/23/08 10:15 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
I would appreciate it if you at least took some time to respond!

What is this jibberish?




what are you looking for exactly?
self knowledge?


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Re: What came before this? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7919292 - 01/23/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Well actually, i don't know.

Just visualize for me and tell me what you see.


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7919382 - 01/23/08 10:59 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

same as me
flesh that can revel in thought &
thought that can revel in flesh &
lots of opportunity to do good or bad
and no lack of confusion either.


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7919552 - 01/23/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

you're right
we're all fools
the hard things to question come from
mans lack of answers when it comes to why we avoid obvious solutions
the only answer to that is some people are idiots and some are not

outside of the world of black and white this unfolds
because we need a billion dollar mental health industry
to tell us these things that aren't normal are completely normal
so those that deny the existence of any sort of answerless question
can sit in their own filth and pretend to be friends of us so that we may take pity on them and clean them with our tears
you are correct, you should dance in your madness don't worry about offending others, they offend themselves enough if you let them
you should study how they lock themselves out of their own hearts by kicking everyone off your mountain
its up to you whether or not to kill those that won't leave



you are the creature that started all of this!
its hard to comprehend when you are so fully invested
in making sure the teeny boppers don't find out Justin Timberlake is a fake
cause no one with half a brain wants to be responsible for Justin Timberlake

as far as a creation story, your only limit is your imagination
I think its time you declare yourself supreme being


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7928502 - 01/25/08 04:54 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
So what if this actually started out from something that existed before. Something like a creature that just created everything. Why do we need to wonder where it came from, if it was always there?

Know what I mean? We do not need to question what came before for it has always been there.

Stop questioning things that can't be answered and start answering the things that can.

Peace,
Droz




We don't 'need' to wonder, it's just in our nature too. I know I shouldn't think about it because how ever many theories and ideas fly around my head, I will never be able to work it out, but I just can't help wondering and questioning and wanting to find out/know.

There is nothing wrong with questioning everything though, I think it is healthy, especially to discuss and debate it with other people. We don't need to stop questioning.. we just need to answer the things that we can answer AS WELL


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Re: What came before this? [Re: nickspurs]
    #7930157 - 01/25/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

So what do you think about the idea that what ever created us has and always will be there?

Something alive, and meaningful.


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Re: What came before this? [Re: Droz]
    #7930323 - 01/25/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

like what?? gaia?? god?? universal conciousness?
if you look around its hard not to notice aliveness and meaning that surround us, that's been here before we were monkeys or sea beings.
and whats the point of deepening yourself into stream of questions while you can experience all you are talking about everyday if you see/try it.

they say that thousands books can't replace even a minute of experience
and i agree... while we struggle to find or name something we tend to miss huge part of the puzzle... the piece we will be able to take on the other side :smile:


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Re: What came before this? [Re: mescalinaz]
    #7930851 - 01/25/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Once we figure out a real good theory of time we'll have to acknowledge that there have never been a before nor will there ever be an after outside of the human illusion of movement and causality.

Somehow, logical understanding seems to grow out of a good human internal representation of nature. The better we understand our own biases, the better the theory, in a very broad sense of the word, gets. Some biases are harder to overcome but I doubt that any of them is ever unsurpassable. If there's a fundamental one, or several of them, then by themselves they would seal the unknowable, the unspeakable and, dare I say, the forever invisible.

My interrogation is, could some of these fundamental biases be unknowable, yet their implications visible ? Then the best we could do would still be an approximation of what's visible or accessible through our limited human constructions. This strikes me as odd and I feel there's something wrong with this idea.

Or we could just end up knowing and decyphering the implication of these fundamental biases, or the presence of an indefinite number of them. A bit like the difference between someone who's born blind and someone who became later in life. Again this also strikes my as odd and ill-formulated.

So is it even meaningful to ask these question after all ? What is this "knowledge" thing I'm refering to anyway ? I'm so damn biased.


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