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BrAiN
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Chemy]
#7922446 - 01/23/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: BrAiN]
#7922622 - 01/23/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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I have insurance through my part time job that is just awesome.
We have Blue Cross/Blue Shield, drug coverage, vision, and dental. $10 copays for office visits, but no deductibles on anything else. No payroll deductions whatsoever.
I don't pay a dime for any of it.
And this for working less than 20 hours per week.
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Seuss
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: psycho.reactive]
#7922982 - 01/24/08 02:17 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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> this is not really a issue but more of a myth which has been proven not true
Really? Source please, as I would like to read the studies that prove this myth. This could be huge! I think it will be the first time ever that more government involvement has resulted in less bureaucracy and more efficiency in a process.
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Arp
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Seuss]
#7923082 - 01/24/08 04:26 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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What's up with this "bureaucracy"? I have never had a sensation of slow bureaucracy when dealing with the government. These days everything is done by computers.
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Seuss
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Arp]
#7923103 - 01/24/08 04:45 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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> I have never had a sensation of slow bureaucracy when dealing with the government.
From what I remember, you also don't live in the US. 
(In the US, it is next to impossible to get fired from the Federal government... lazy or incompetent Federal employees are generally promoted to get rid of them, by moving them to another department through the promotion. Hiring in the Federal government is done on a point system that uses things like military experience, race, and gender rather than being qualified for the job, to determine who gets the job.)
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Seuss]
#7923133 - 01/24/08 05:12 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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My problem is the money issue mixed with lack of choice.
If I were allowed to opt out of the universal system to keep using my private insurance, which meant I didn't have to pay into the universal insurance, I wouldn't care if it was adopted.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: BrAiN]
#7923135 - 01/24/08 05:13 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Come on people. Work together for the greater good. People against universal healthcare make me sick. Its greed pure and simple. If you needed the help you would be singing a whole differnt tune.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923137 - 01/24/08 05:17 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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The idea of a "greater good" makes me sick.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Redstorm]
#7923141 - 01/24/08 05:21 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Sorry. I'm a team player.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923144 - 01/24/08 05:22 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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> Work together for the greater good. People against universal healthcare make me sick.
Yeah, I feel the same way about people that lock their doors at night. We should be giving all of our stuff away to the less fortunate for the greater good of humanity. Greedy bastards that wont give their homes away to the homeless guys on the streets. Shame on you!
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923145 - 01/24/08 05:23 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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A collectivist?
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Seuss]
#7923161 - 01/24/08 05:54 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Damn socialists. Soon they'll want us to give away our brains too. Sick I tell you
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Cubie
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Arp]
#7923166 - 01/24/08 05:59 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Universal health care doesn't mean you have to pay extra for it. Something as simple as abolishing the failed war on drugs would provide enough money to provide free coast to coast healthcare
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Arp]
#7923170 - 01/24/08 06:05 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Arp said:
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You chose the provider and the govt pays for it.
Sorta how it works here in Sweden. Plenty of private clinics, growing in number, where the government picks up the tab.
See, to me that sounds like the perfect plan if you can choose. I just am worried that the care would be like when I had Massheatlh. The service was extremely substandard to the insurance I have now. The care was noticably different.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923171 - 01/24/08 06:06 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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> Universal health care doesn't mean you have to pay extra for it.
Unless health care is free, then somebody has to pay for it... I pay quite a lot of my salary to my own health care... I really don't want to pay for somebody that is too lazy to work or take care of their body as well.
> Something as simple as abolishing the failed war on drugs would provide enough money to provide free coast to coast healthcare
Why not end the war on drugs and stop taking my money in the first place rather than giving my money from one failed government bureaucracy to another.
The problem with universal health care is that it doesn't fix the problem and instead rewards those that create the problem by giving them tax money. If we fixed the health care problems, then there would be no need for universal health care, as health care would be affordable to everybody. Right now, we are simply proposing that a blank check be given from the government to the health care industry.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Seuss]
#7923173 - 01/24/08 06:12 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I didn't say it was free. I said you wouldn't have to pay extra if something like abolishing the war on drugs was done. Derrr
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Arp
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923189 - 01/24/08 06:38 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Universal health care doesn't mean you have to pay extra for it. Something as simple as abolishing the failed war on drugs would provide enough money to provide free coast to coast healthcare
Taking money from something else should mean that it will cost more?
I was under the impression that Americans spend more for less health care. Allthou might be one of those myths you hear about.
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Arp]
#7923193 - 01/24/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Sorry I still havnt slept your post confused me. Could you please elaborate
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Cubie]
#7923199 - 01/24/08 06:48 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Not to pay extra for something, but taking funds from something else must mean, in the end, that you will pay extra for whatever that may be?
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Re: For those against universal health care [Re: Arp]
#7923206 - 01/24/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't get how you come to that.
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