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Living your life in 3rd person * 1
    #7918855 - 01/23/08 06:22 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I have been thinking...

People live their lives from their own perspective. They have great trouble seeing the things that happen around them as they really are. They misunderstand the people around them, and often lose control and the overview of their own lives.

So wouldn't it be great if you were able to look at yourself completely objectively. Not being biased about things that happen around you and look at yourself as if you were looking at someone else. The only difference being that you can completely control this person as if by remote control.
Consequently being able to see what is happening and be able to react to developments in your environment in a way that benefits you most.
It might be a little bit like playing a computer game, looking at your character and trying for it to act in a way that benefits it most.

I wonder if you could reach a state like this through meditation and self reflection. And through what kind of meditation or exercises this kind of state might be reached best.
This way you might be able to do what is necessary instead of doing what you feel like.

Please, post your suggestions and/or comments...


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918873 - 01/23/08 06:34 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah i see what you mean... I think that people need to this every now and again. Not as literally as you have put it, but to be able to step back from a situation and being able to see all of the facts as they actually are, instead of being completly immersed.

And by the by, pleeeeease tell me that you avatar is that guy you always buy stuf off in the monkey island series... I fucking LOVE that game!!!!!!


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918882 - 01/23/08 06:41 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

This is actually a basic meditational practice recommended by people like Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle.

Keep an objective and non-judgmental narrative going, like "He is hungry." "He is eating." "He is pooping." etc.

I like to add theme music that goes with what I'm doing...


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: idreamofpiggies]
    #7918890 - 01/23/08 06:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yes, this is Stan from Monkey Island. I love how the pattern on his coat is always perfectly straight.

What is wrong with living your life in a state of mind as this permanently? Do you think you would get disassociated with yourself or what?


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918893 - 01/23/08 06:46 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I think the point is to become disassociated from identification with your ego and realize the deeper nature of your true identity...


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Middleman]
    #7918902 - 01/23/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I see.

So do you think a state like this could be reached by just narrating your life or do you think it would be necessary to start meditation on a regular basis.
And if so what kind of meditation would be best?


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918916 - 01/23/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

We don't often appreciate what we have and where we are until we realize it is gone. We generally don't live in the moment and our perspectives remain constant.

I've been trying to do what you are talking about for only couple months now and have had a few moments where I seem to perceive myself from 3rd person.

I was sitting at a traffic light last night during the evening commute and thought to myself that if I could just see the scene I'm involved in from a different angle, perhaps above and behind my car, I would realize how beautiful that moment was. It was essentially just a bunch of cars sitting in traffic but there was more to it - the place, the time, my thoughts, current and pending present events in my life..

I think once you are able to stand back, when the observer becomes the observed, then you can enjoy life to an greater degree.

It's the subject of my current focus, attaining this state, and I think your post pretty much hits the nail on the head.

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Middleman said:
Keep an objective and non-judgmental narrative going, like "He is hungry." "He is eating." "He is pooping." etc.




Simple, logical - I'll try it! I have thought of and spoke to myself in 3rd person plenty, but it was more for amusement than intentional conditioning.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918927 - 01/23/08 07:06 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Kamek said:

And if so what kind of meditation would be best?




Any kind of mediation that cultivates mindfulness works.

I've learned that meditation isn't about refraining from thinking or moving,
it's about becoming fully aware of your thoughts and movements...

Eventually one becomes aware of the awareness and the thoughts cease on their own.

Eckhart Tolle says Self Awareness isn't awareness of one's self, it's an awareness that is aware of itself...


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: elbisivni]
    #7918935 - 01/23/08 07:10 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

How have you been trying to achieve this state of mind until now? Have you just been trying to look at yourself in context with your environment in an objective way?

I think I will start narrating my life as well. It sounds like a good way to start realizing what you are really doing.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7918950 - 01/23/08 07:16 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I don't know if you're asking me, but make sure to read Be Here Now by Ram Dass and The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle if you haven't.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7920408 - 01/23/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Kamek said:
How have you been trying to achieve this state of mind until now? Have you just been trying to look at yourself in context with your environment in an objective way?



I've been trying to recognize the state of my life in a whole sense, standing back and gathering into view all of the things I've got, what role I play at any given moment in the surrounding environment. I've been doing a pretty awful job of it, but like I said, there were a few moments that support movement in the right direction.

Most effective thus far for me has been to focus on the things in my life that seem relatively unreal. Being in love, being loved back, being in a new place and loving that.. These things carry a sense of external emotion for me because I am not used to them. I can use that to look at myself in a way in which I am not acquainted.

Hopefully this thread thrives so that we may gain additional insight on the subject.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Middleman]
    #7920737 - 01/23/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I think the point is to become disassociated from identification with your ego and realize the deeper nature of your true identity...




my thought exactly


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: ShroomFan]
    #7923080 - 01/24/08 04:23 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

Middleman said:
I think the point is to become disassociated from identification with your ego and realize the deeper nature of your true identity...




my thought exactly




I think this sounds very interesting and it sounds very true. But the thing is that I find it a little abstract. I mean, I like to see things in pictures and thus know exactly what I'm talking about.
Talking about the "deeper nature of your true identity" you mean that currently our identity is clouded by our ego, right? And so, we cannot see through our ego and discern who we really are?

So this would mean that someone who has not managed to control or destroy his/her ego is a different person than someone who has managed to do so. Then, what I want to know is what this "true identity" really is? What is it that remains once the ego has been erased?


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7923108 - 01/24/08 04:49 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Read those two books I recommended, they explain it much better than I ever could.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Middleman]
    #7924131 - 01/24/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

"What is it that remains once the ego has been erased?"

A baby. Goo goo ga ga.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7924311 - 01/24/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

It's not about erasing the ego, it's about not identifying with it as one's Self.

Words can't define what's beyond ego, that's why masters speak in koans and parables, they can only make comparisons.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7924354 - 01/24/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Actually that's what I was thinking... That you become what you were when you were a baby. Probably without the drooling and crying though.

I'll try to get my hands on one of those books I suppose. If I had to read one of the two, which one would you recommend?


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7924394 - 01/24/08 02:15 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Eckhart Tolle actually talks about that in his book, there's a big difference between a baby who has not yet formed an ego, and an adult who has dis-identified from it.

Here is an online copy of The Power of Now, There's a download link to the left.

You can also find audio book torrents of it easily...

You should buy a hard copy of Be Here Now, it has lots of pictures and makes a great trip companion. :mushroom2:


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Kamek]
    #7924407 - 01/24/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)



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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: deranger]
    #7924431 - 01/24/08 02:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Nisargadatta Maharaj, Osho, J. Krishnamurti, Papaji, Mooji, Adyashanti, Sailor Bob, John Wheeler, Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle are all saying the SAME THING in their own diverse ways.

I think Tolle is the most accessible for beginners...


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Middleman]
    #7924693 - 01/24/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I have tried reading some Krishnamurti and as you say it is rather difficult to read. Especially because I was reading an English version when English is not my first language.

I just started reading 'The Power of Now' and I must say it is more than interesting. Thank you for the recommendation.
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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: deranger]
    #7924743 - 01/24/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:





Did you read his other book? "I am Rich"


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Icelander]
    #7924783 - 01/24/08 03:38 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Middleman]
    #7925613 - 01/24/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Middleman said:
This is actually a basic meditational practice recommended by people like Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle.

Keep an objective and non-judgmental narrative going, like "He is hungry." "He is eating." "He is pooping." etc.

I like to add theme music that goes with what I'm doing...




He's right. It's a great idea and it's been around. I added the bold to "Ram Dass". Whoever it was in this thread that said all teachers are saying this same point in their own way is also dead on. The point is not to "erase your ego" but to not identify with it.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: freddurgan]
    #7926659 - 01/24/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

one way of disidentifying with your ego is to learn new things. for example, you can't call yourself a painter until you've painted something. what you identify yourself as has just expanded from this experience. the ego shrinks and the more flexible creative part of you expands. probably important to let it flow through you and not have a preconceived idea of what you are doing - like dancing. just my 2 cents.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Icelander]
    #7926719 - 01/24/08 09:08 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

SyntheticMInd said:





Did you read his other book? "I am Rich"


:rofl2:


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Lion]
    #7927234 - 01/24/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

hahahaha, oh man.

very funny... very very funny. :laugh:


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7927349 - 01/24/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

this thread is weird b/c lately more and more i have these moments when im not myself but i feel like im viewing myself through whoever is in the vicinity. it freaks me out, but i have a feeling it's a good thing.


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7927357 - 01/24/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

way to not be selfish :wink:


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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7928976 - 01/25/08 09:11 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

well when i became conscious of everything i do, i eventually kinda lost myself. I tend to adapt to suit other people. But i also have these days when im really close to being my old self, and i get kinda rude. Im working on fixing that for good though.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Living your life in 3rd person [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7928993 - 01/25/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

one way of dis-identifying with your ego is to learn new things.

I'm not sure if this is true but it sure is good to keep the ego balanced and healthy.


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