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Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq *DELETED*
    #7918327 - 01/23/08 12:48 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Chemy]
    #7918737 - 01/23/08 04:34 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

The big kicker that the article doesn't bother to mention... were the false statements that were made known to be false at the time they were made?


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Seuss]
    #7918889 - 01/23/08 06:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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were the false statements that were made known to be false at the time they were made?




I can't really tell if your serious? I'm guessing so...

Were americans hit with a stupid stick or something? If you unknowingly make a false statement a few times that is understandable. But to even suggest a small group of people can make over 900 false statements by accident is just ridiculous.

Nine-Hundred and Thirty Five untrue, false, misleading, made up fantasies. You don't have to be a genius to see a pattern there.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7920072 - 01/23/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

its cuz hes stubborn
he makes 1 false statement
and then builds it up with more lies


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Coaster]
    #7920153 - 01/23/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Even if all their facts were true, it would not justify a war, let alone an occupation.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Minstrel]
    #7920194 - 01/23/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

there are VERY few things that would justify a war
there really arnt very many things that would prevent more deaths than it produces
and this war in iraq is producing about 100x more deaths than that would have been caused by the terrorists themselves in america


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Chemy]
    #7920375 - 01/23/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Most people now realize the Bush administration, whether it was technically "lies" or not, misled the country into the Iraq war.

The media is now playing catchup but it would be nice if they could get ahead of the curve for once. They are too easily cowed.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Chemy]
    #7920444 - 01/23/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

And once again AP serves as a willing stooge for disseminating Leftie propaganda.

The institutes who collected these "falsehoods" are George Soros's lapdogs.






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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Chemy]
    #7921188 - 01/23/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Do a search also on Bush & false flag operations.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Phred]
    #7921549 - 01/23/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Phred said:
And once again AP serves as a willing stooge for disseminating Leftie propaganda.

The institutes who collected these "falsehoods" are George Soros's lapdogs.






Phred




Sources? Or just hysterical hyperbole? Can you disprove any of the assertions made by the study? Did you even read any of it?

You disappoint me.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: zorbman]
    #7921639 - 01/23/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Do a search also on Bush & false flag operations




For even more fun, do a search on Prescott Sheldon Bush and the funding from wall street to 1930s nazi germany and adolf hitler.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Phred]
    #7922155 - 01/23/08 10:04 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Phred said:
And once again AP serves as a willing stooge for disseminating Leftie propaganda.


Fred





Fred is right. When theres a mass of evidence the government lies to the people, it's no big deal, just propaganda, talking points to argue over in the nightly news, then forgotten about. Nothing to get worked up about, your government has been lying to you for decades to go to wars. Let is slide.

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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7923037 - 01/24/08 03:15 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

> I can't really tell if your serious? I'm guessing so..

Very serious, as the answer to the question determines the difference between a mistake and subversion.

> But to even suggest a small group of people can make over 900 false statements by accident is just ridiculous.

If all the false statements made were predicated upon a single incorrect belief, then it is not ridiculous. This is what happens naturally when a person thinks they know the outcome; they start to look for evidence to support their position rather than remaining objective. Both the justice system and the scientific world identified this failing in humans long ago.

Rather than prejudging based upon emotion, I would much rather know if the false statements were intentionally made to mislead or accidental made through incompetence.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Chemy]
    #7923264 - 01/24/08 07:33 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Imagine if someone suggested that America would of been better off spending the $800,000,000,000 on health insurance and tuition fees for Americans, rather than the Iraq war.

Now that would of been left wing!


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7923346 - 01/24/08 08:20 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Ya I wonder how the statements were determined "false" and by who's opinion? Plus a good point was made, we don't know what they knew at the time and GWB could have been acting off of bad intel, after all if you believe Bush is running the country then maybe ya need ta get yer head checked...lol There is no way to know and the liberal media just wants to make the other side look bad. Kinda slaps em around now that Iraq is being reported as a success. We didn't loose very many people for what we accomplished. W is an idiot some times but there is way more to all this than what the public knows.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: unbeliever]
    #7923835 - 01/24/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

unbeliever writes:

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Sources? Or just hysterical hyperbole? Can you disprove any of the assertions made by the study? Did you even read any of it?





From http://captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016723.php --

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George Soros Funded Study Says Bush Lied

The AP reports, and the New York Times expands, on a new study by a supposedly "independent" organization that claims to have assembled hundred of "false statements" by the Bush administration in the course of the Iraq war. However, the Center for Public Integrity hardly qualifies as "independent". It gets much of its funding from George Soros, who has thrown millions of dollars behind Democratic political candidates, and explicitly campaigned to defeat George Bush in 2004:

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A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.




Nowhere in these articles do either news organization bother to inform their reader of the partisan nature of the CPI. Besides Soros, it gets financing from the Streisand Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and the Los Angeles Times Foundation. The FIJ shares most of its board members with the CPI, which hardly makes it a separate entity in terms of its political direction.

Dafydd at Big Lizards -- http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2008/01/how_to_lie_abou.html -- does a good job of pulling apart the supposed quotes that CPI used to blow some hot air into the limp "Bush lied" meme, but even the New York Times wasn't impressed:

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There is no startling new information in the archive, because all the documents have been published previously. But the new computer tool is remarkable for its scope, and its replay of the crescendo of statements that led to the war. Muckrakers may find browsing the site reminiscent of what Richard M. Nixon used to dismissively call “wallowing in Watergate.”




In fact, there is nothing new in this site that hasn't already been picked apart by the blogosphere, and some of it discredited. It includes the debunked charge that Bush lied in the "sixteen words" of the 2003 State of the Union address. Joe Wilson's own report to the CIA and to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed that, at least according to Niger's Prime Minister, Iraq had sought to trade for uranium in 1999. The CPI site has the sixteen words posted as one of their false statements.

Let's boil this down. An organization funded by known political activists puts up a website with shopworn quotes taken mostly out of context and misrepresented -- and this somehow qualifies as news?

Hey, AP. I'll be posting a couple of essays today. I'll be sure to look for your breathless report on the wires later this afternoon.





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That's a brief overview of the facts of the situation -- AP (as anti-American a "news" organization as Reuters and almost as anti-American as AFP) uncritically prints as "news" a post containing ancient incidents -- many of which were convincingly debunked years ago -- from an anti-Bush website funded by George Soros and other millionaire Lefties. This isn't NEWS, it's the promulgation of Leftie propaganda, pure and simple.

For an even more thorough shredding of this travesty of "journalism", see http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2008/01/how_to_lie_abou.html




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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Phred]
    #7923878 - 01/24/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

> This isn't NEWS, it's the promulgation of Leftie propaganda

FOX set a bad precedent when they got the courts to agree that journalism is entertainment and entertainment shouldn't be held to the same standards as traditional news. Fox Entertainment News, Associated Jihadic Press, Al Reuters, etc.


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: Phred]
    #7927902 - 01/25/08 12:48 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Phred, where does one turn for news without a point of view?

Does such a thing even exist?


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Re: Study: 935 False Statements Preceded War In Iraq [Re: zorbman]
    #7928363 - 01/25/08 03:00 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

> where does one turn for news without a point of view? Does such a thing even exist?

In today's world, no, there really isn't a news outlet that has remained completely objective. The BBC is close, but even they have given into the trend of telling people what to think and how to feel. To combat this, I try to read several different news sources that are biased in opposite directions. For example, I will read CNN and then jump over to Fox (Entertainment) News then jump over to Al Jazeera. This gives me a pretty good idea how different people are looking at the same issues. It also points out the extreme bias in the media.


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