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fastfred
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Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to???
#7917956 - 01/22/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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First there was google metrics, and now this...
Awhile back the shroomery ran into some problems when people noticed that http requests were being funneled to google metrics. This gave google your IP address and exactly what pages you were looking at. The admins replied that they wanted better tracking of traffic and better traffic analysis. The same info could have been obtained from server logs using open source programs, but the shroomery decided to trust google with our IP addresses instead.
Once found out they quickly stopped the practice, however it is unknown how many IPs and how much data google collected on shroomery users, how it was used, and who it was shared with.
Well it looks like the shroomery is selling our clicks to amazon now.
Just what I always wanted, targeted advertising focusing on my semi-legal interests!
I'm curious what other companies the shroomery is selling my clicks (and also obviously IP address) to?
Don't all you users think that this is the sort of thing that should be discussed beforehand so that people can decide weather or not to opt out?
Why is it that we only find out when there are problems with the system and we discover who our IPs and page-views are going to?
-FF
Edited by fastfred (01/22/08 11:54 PM)
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7918544 - 01/23/08 02:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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ad blocker
And ps, im buying all your ip addresses
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: implee]
#7918654 - 01/23/08 03:26 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: Seuss]
#7920004 - 01/23/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like it is nothing to worry about. Hey FF why would you basically re-post the same hysteria? When it was answered before.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7920996 - 01/23/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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the shroomery could be run by the gov., who knows,i,ve never posted from home though or done any trades so let them sell anything they want to the highest bidder
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: 5150]
#7921371 - 01/23/08 07:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anagram for Yathan.......An Thy
That answers it all right there.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: A3eyedfish]
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: binarycircuit]
#7929229 - 01/25/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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This kinda stuff is whats wrong with the internet, besides viruses of course. I got really mad because my school made a partnership with google. WHy wont all the hacker fuckheads channel all their extra time and energy into bringing those kinda things down. I dont like any of my personal information used to advertise against me goddamnit. I hope google and amazon crash forever.
BY THE WAY, THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. PRIVACY SHOULD BE #1 PRIORITY HERE, AS WELL AS ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE NET. HERE PEOPLE ROUTINELY TALK ABOUT FELONYS THEY COMMIT, AND THIS INFO IS BEING CHANNELED TO GOOGLES ADVERTISING MACHINE.
Edited by 2end4 (01/25/08 10:44 AM)
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7930724 - 01/25/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your posts keep getting better and better. Why don't you gb2 totse.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fapjack]
#7931482 - 01/25/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with you 2end4. The shroomery is not like myspace or other mainstream sites. They seem to act like they're just a regular site with little consideration for the fact that people here value privacy more than people on most sites.
If you read the other thread, which was directed at the administration, you'll notice that they didn't really bother to reply to me until I started to become concerned and raised some privacy questions.
Nothing was really answered except to tell me that they've been doing it for awhile and I'm over reacting.
I posted here to discuss the privacy issues that are raised and to notify people of what's going on. People need to know the issues involved with this type of off-site sharing of IP information so that they can make an informed decision on what level of security measures they need to take here and weather or not to even visit this site. That's why I posted here, not to just stir up shit.
They haven't really answered why they are doing this when other methods achieve the same result without compromising privacy. Their response really reeks of the same attitude they had to the google metrics scandal.
I like this site, which is why I'd like to see improvements in privacy where they can be made and also see all issues vetted openly.
One point I'd like to make to the people that would minimize this risk is that the government can simply seize the IP records from amazon and they will basically have the IP of every user or the shroomery. (Apparently even the supporters with banner ads turned off)
There is no legal protection for business records. They are treated almost like public record and have no protection against search and seizure by the gov. No warrant is required to examine "business" records. That means that almost any government agent could just walk into amazon's office and obtain every shroomery user's IP address with no warrant whatsoever.
The very fact that amazon is a big business and publicly traded means that they have no reason to cause any friction with the gov and they don't give a shit about us. They would not hesitate to turn over the records and would offer no resistance at all if asked. Any refusal to comply would be bad press for them and/or legal troubles, so they wouldn't even think of destroying the records or offering any resistance to turning them over.
That's why I'm posting here because the legal implications need to be discussed and users informed.
-FF
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7931511 - 01/25/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Another issue that I forgot to mention is that if the gov did decide to examine amazon's records the shroomery would never even know. Every user's IP would be compromised and nobody here would even have a clue. That's perhaps the worst part about this.
The issue is almost moot since amazon is not going to destroy these records, they're already recorded. Everyone here should consider their IP already compromised or easily compromised by any governemnt agent without even a warrant at some point in the future.
-FF
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7931557 - 01/25/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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this really surprises me that this is happening here of all places...
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: bmiles]
#7931590 - 01/25/08 07:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The thing is that it's standard practice amongst websites. I don't blame the shroomery at all. Unless they really thought out the issue beforehand they wouldn't have thought anything of it.
I don't really think they realize the legal implications of letting user IPs out of their control either. Business records aren't the same as private property and I'm not sure they realize the danger of selling this info to legitimate and respected companies.
-FF
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7931605 - 01/25/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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but then again, just posting this can give the wrong people bad ideas. that is if they are even reading our posts.
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Edited by bmiles (01/25/08 07:15 PM)
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: bmiles]
#7933127 - 01/26/08 12:57 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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My myspace page has nothing to do with mushrooms, purely private and professional...yet all the ads on the page are for mushroom grow kits
it's a little weird, not bad for me really but i can see why it may be a concern to some
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: tak]
#7933810 - 01/26/08 06:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Use PeerGuardian Run either through the Tor network or some sort of Socks 5 proxy.
And don't do drugs kids, they kill :P
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: hillbilly32]
#7936381 - 01/26/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that you need to watch the movie PCU
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#7937640 - 01/26/08 09:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
fastfred said: I agree with you 2end4. The shroomery is not like myspace or other mainstream sites. They seem to act like they're just a regular site with little consideration for the fact that people here value privacy more than people on most sites.
If you read the other thread, which was directed at the administration, you'll notice that they didn't really bother to reply to me until I started to become concerned and raised some privacy questions.
Nothing was really answered except to tell me that they've been doing it for awhile and I'm over reacting.
I posted here to discuss the privacy issues that are raised and to notify people of what's going on. People need to know the issues involved with this type of off-site sharing of IP information so that they can make an informed decision on what level of security measures they need to take here and weather or not to even visit this site. That's why I posted here, not to just stir up shit.
They haven't really answered why they are doing this when other methods achieve the same result without compromising privacy. Their response really reeks of the same attitude they had to the google metrics scandal.
I like this site, which is why I'd like to see improvements in privacy where they can be made and also see all issues vetted openly.
One point I'd like to make to the people that would minimize this risk is that the government can simply seize the IP records from amazon and they will basically have the IP of every user or the shroomery. (Apparently even the supporters with banner ads turned off)
There is no legal protection for business records. They are treated almost like public record and have no protection against search and seizure by the gov. No warrant is required to examine "business" records. That means that almost any government agent could just walk into amazon's office and obtain every shroomery user's IP address with no warrant whatsoever.
The very fact that amazon is a big business and publicly traded means that they have no reason to cause any friction with the gov and they don't give a shit about us. They would not hesitate to turn over the records and would offer no resistance at all if asked. Any refusal to comply would be bad press for them and/or legal troubles, so they wouldn't even think of destroying the records or offering any resistance to turning them over.
That's why I'm posting here because the legal implications need to be discussed and users informed.
-FF
I share your same concerns as well. This sounds like a serious issue to me. And you're right about the federal govs authority. They've made themselves God. I was watching a documentary the other day about this same issue. Very scary stuff.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#7939619 - 01/27/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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So yeah, I would love to see some input from some ADMINs to justify this "I.P. SHARING" This is not just paranoia either.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: 2end4]
#7944770 - 01/28/08 11:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by 2end6 (01/28/08 11:21 AM)
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