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Seuss
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#8016297 - 02/13/08 03:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> By loading the shroomery page you are sending a request for a picture to amazon and amazon knows that you've come from the shroomery.
Sorry to add to your paranoia, but the government is taking and storing IP addresses directly from the wires at the major hops on the internet. Each packet you send has a source and destination address just like each letter you send has a to and a from address. For the government snooping, it doesn't matter to them if Amazon is in the mix or not. My big concern was the incorrect privacy statement we had posted, and my understanding is that it has been fixed. Beyond that, anything we do is nothing more than a false sense of security for the user.
If you want to be anonymous to the government when you surf the web, then you have to use some sort of proxy service, https connections (or something like tor that encrypts traffic end to end), disable javascript, disable java, visit only one site, and clear your cookies and caches when done. If you aren't doing all of that, then you are pissing in the wind when you worry about amazon banners. If you are doing all of that, then amazon banners don't matter.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: Seuss]
#8017037 - 02/13/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you aren't doing all of that, then you are pissing in the wind when you worry about amazon banners. If you are doing all of that, then amazon banners don't matter.
while your probably right from the perspective of someone not under investigation, of course the cops won't get all the information from shroomery and amazon for no reason, you might be wrong about the reverse: When someone allready is under investigation.
When this occurs, perhaps amazon information could be used to support a charge. i.e. someone posts about growing marijuana in a certain state... the police subpoena the shroomery, get the IP, and then subpoeana amazon. If amazon turns up searches for "how to grow marijuana in texas and be a big time drug dealer"" or purchases of "do it yourself meth lab" perhaps this could add to the case.
Obviously someone allready under investigation has better things to worry about, but I'm really impressed by the level of accuracy amazon hits me with.
i.e. they show me pages about biochemistry books and shit, when I probably haven't bought a biochem book from amazon in 18-24 months. I presume this isn't happenstance, as how many people on this site are likely to buy a biochemistry book? Seems a poor use of advertising, but then maybe amazon knows what pages I look at on here or something.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: johnm214]
#8017077 - 02/13/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The ads that show up in the amazon banner for me are for the "Growing gourmet and medi..." "Paul Stamets" and "Ball regular mouth canning jars" Stuff I have never purchased online. I have only bought a couple of things from amazon and that was a couple of books a year ago or so and nothing at all to do with mycology.
I will list all the ads I see: Hoffman AH 8Q Vermiculite/Mushroom Cultivator, Paul Stamets
Presto 23Q Pressure cooker/Mushroom Cultivator Paul Stamets
Ball regular mouth canning jars/Growing gourmet and medi... Paul Stamets
NOW foods organic brown rice/Kerr wide mouth mason jars
To be updated.....
EDIT: I've never ordered anything even remote to this stuff from amazon, nor have I searched amazon for this stuff, only thing I've ordered was a electronic tech. book I never read and a bio I ordered as a gift and there is nothing coming up in the banners for bio's or electronic tech books.
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Ythan
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: Chemy]
#8017484 - 02/13/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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When this occurs, perhaps amazon information could be used to support a charge. i.e. someone posts about growing marijuana in a certain state... the police subpoena the shroomery, get the IP, and then subpoeana amazon. If amazon turns up searches for "how to grow marijuana in texas and be a big time drug dealer"" or purchases of "do it yourself meth lab" perhaps this could add to the case.
In this scenario it wouldn't matter if you viewed an Amazon banner or not. 
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I've never ordered anything even remote to this stuff from amazon, nor have I searched amazon for this stuff, only thing I've ordered was a electronic tech. book I never read and a bio I ordered as a gift and there is nothing coming up in the banners for bio's or electronic tech books.
We use Amazon Omakase banners, you can search Google for more information. The featured products aren't just based on items you've viewed or purchased, they also take into account the most frequent sales from that particular affiliate and keywords from the site itself.
Again, if it bothers you just sign up as a supporter and disable ads. Problem solved.
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GoodbyeOrb
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#8021315 - 02/14/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Didn't you know? You can buy the shroomery IP lists in the marketplace...
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blackegg
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#8026103 - 02/15/08 07:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How many people visit The Shroomery daily, anyhow?
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: blackegg]
#8026136 - 02/15/08 07:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Apparently, a whole bunch.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: johnm214]
#8027275 - 02/15/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The moment you request information from the internet, your ip address is logged, not just in ONE place but EVERY place that requested information had to travel through. They track it for all sorts of information and purposes(network traffic & latency, Advertising profiling, number of hits to a site) Hell people, you go and check a book out of the library and there's a record of it somewhere for YEARS... There is NO business that refuses to track the buying habits of their customers. There is NO business that refuses to track the information flow they provide. To do so would be the height of stupidity, and a money loosing equation. If you don't like it, move to a third world country that hasn't realized that information is power. (or how you use that information is power... depends on which side of the debate your on.) and stop buying things. Grow or make your own. Other wise protect yourself. No one is responsible for your own safety but... well you. And if your unprepared to take up that responsibility, then find someone is who willing... and stop expecting some third party who doesn't know you, or care about you, to pick up the pieces you refused to deal with or change their business practices to suit YOU.
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: Madnessinc]
#8027306 - 02/15/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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blackegg
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#8027985 - 02/15/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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um...so how many people visit the shroomery?
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: blackegg]
#8028083 - 02/15/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madnessinc said: The moment you request information from the internet, your ip address is logged, not just in ONE place but EVERY place that requested information had to travel through. They track it for all sorts of information and purposes(network traffic & latency, Advertising profiling, number of hits to a site) Hell people, you go and check a book out of the library and there's a record of it somewhere for YEARS... There is NO business that refuses to track the buying habits of their customers. There is NO business that refuses to track the information flow they provide. To do so would be the height of stupidity, and a money loosing equation. If you don't like it, move to a third world country that hasn't realized that information is power. (or how you use that information is power... depends on which side of the debate your on.) and stop buying things. Grow or make your own. Other wise protect yourself. No one is responsible for your own safety but... well you. And if your unprepared to take up that responsibility, then find someone is who willing... and stop expecting some third party who doesn't know you, or care about you, to pick up the pieces you refused to deal with or change their business practices to suit YOU.
Thank you Madnessinc I couldn't have said it better myself. 
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blackegg said: um...so how many people visit the shroomery?
How many daily hits does the shroomery get?
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: Ythan]
#8028836 - 02/15/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: blackegg]
#8032309 - 02/16/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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extortion
pay me or all your informations are belong to corporations
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bmiles
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: kake]
#8032312 - 02/16/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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why won't this thread die?
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: bmiles]
#8041703 - 02/19/08 05:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you aren't helping
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Re: Who is the Shroomery selling YOUR IP address to??? [Re: fastfred]
#8055410 - 02/22/08 07:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Well folks, this topic has been discussed. Questions have been asked and answered.
Lana
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