Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]
OfflineNiamhNyx
I'm NOT a 'he'
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/01/02
Posts: 3,198
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
catholicism not christian?
    #7916825 - 01/22/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Can someone PLEEEAAASE explain to me why so many fundamentalist Christians claim that Catholicism is not a branch of Christianity? I just don't get it! I thought the criteria for being included under the umbrella of Christ was 1) believing Jesus was something special 2)considering the bible to be a reeeaally special book 3) believing in God... and that the rest was elaboration. Is there something I'm missing here?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7916839 - 01/22/08 08:09 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Catholicism is a religion, and so is Presbyterianism, Lutheranism, Protestantism, and all those other sycophantic motormouths. They all hate each other's guts because they disagree on how many forms God takes. If you believe Jesus is the son of God, and that God takes the form of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Spirit) then you're going to HELL! according to the TRUE followers of Jesus, because it's clearly an occult, heretical belief that God is anything but the singular Absolute.

It doesn't make a lick of sense. That's because religions grow and thrive based on power politics, not actual beliefs, ethics, or understanding of the universe.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/22/08 08:10 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineluckycharnes
I'm a SativaCyborg
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/21/07
Posts: 59
Loc: the emerald triangle
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7916877 - 01/22/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

One will never claim to be of the other, or another. Hence the branching in the first place. If you hated your job so much, yet, you wanted to keep doing the same fundamentals, and you "branched off" and began your own version. You would never want to be connected to the original job, you hate those guys.


--------------------
"something funny"

"something profound"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7916878 - 01/22/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Because of the same reason why some people state that they are "good" drugs users as opposed to others who prefer to do coke or meth or heroin... which are "bad".


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePlok
Life is fractal
Male

Registered: 09/08/04
Posts: 1,152
Loc: Los Angeles
Last seen: 2 months, 7 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7916943 - 01/22/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Because they are stupid.


--------------------
Just say NO to the War on Drugs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNiamhNyx
I'm NOT a 'he'
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/01/02
Posts: 3,198
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7916946 - 01/22/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

But it's even more bizarre than that. It'd be like saying:

1. drugs are good
2. psychedelics are good
Therefore, psychedelics are drugs

1. drugs are good
2. coke and heroin are bad
Therefore, coke and heroin are not drugs.

It's nonsensical reasoning.

1.Christianity is good
2.Catholicism is bad
Therefore, Catholics are not Christians.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7916970 - 01/22/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Yes, that seems to be the spirit in which they experience life :lol:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7916982 - 01/22/08 08:33 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

It is a branch of Christianity just mainstream Christianity believe the Bible 1st where Catholicism puts the Words of crazy councils and Popes that just made stuff up when the felt like it above the Bible. So they are technically Christians but Christianity isn't about rules. It is about being saved by grace alone through faith in Christ. Totally free and you can't earn it. That is the difference. Catholics teach purgatory and rationaliz the idolizing of Mary despite Jesus saying His mother and brothers where no one better than anyone else who follows His Word.

That is the major difference. Th RC says if you are bad you will go to hell, Chritianity says if you don't accept Christ you got to hell.


--------------------
aka NHMI


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNiamhNyx
I'm NOT a 'he'
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/01/02
Posts: 3,198
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: rizingfire]
    #7917079 - 01/22/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

rizingfire said:
It is a branch of Christianity just mainstream Christianity believe the Bible 1st where Catholicism puts the Words of crazy councils and Popes that just made stuff up when the felt like it above the Bible. So they are technically Christians but Christianity isn't about rules. It is about being saved by grace alone through faith in Christ. Totally free and you can't earn it. That is the difference. Catholics teach purgatory and rationaliz the idolizing of Mary despite Jesus saying His mother and brothers where no one better than anyone else who follows His Word.

That is the major difference. Th RC says if you are bad you will go to hell, Chritianity says if you don't accept Christ you got to hell.




This wasn't really the point of my thread but I can't resist:

- What makes protestant christianity mainstream and catholicism fringe? the demographics in the country you live in? If you go to Italy, Spain, Ireland or South America Catholics are in the overwhelming majority.

- Catholics were the ones who compiled the bible in the form we find it today. They selected which books were to be considered true scripture and which were apocrypha and as far as I'm aware, pretty much all protestant denominations that use the traditional bible (instead of, say, the book of mormon) accepted the layout determined by the early fathers of catholicism.

- Christianity isn't about rules? Does that mean I can do anything I want so long as I accept Jesus as my personal savior? So when fundamentalists tell me I'll go to hell if I act on homosexual feelings they're just joking?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBlueCoyote
Beyond
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7918980 - 01/23/08 07:40 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

- Christianity isn't about rules? Does that mean I can do anything I want so long as I accept Jesus as my personal savior? So when fundamentalists tell me I'll go to hell if I act on homosexual feelings they're just joking?



They have it backward and say, that those (pre-)elected ones don't (want/feel the urge to) sin anymore once they were 'called', and all their previous sins were nullified.
[By this standard (if that would be really true), I think 99,99% of Christians would have been already excommunicated, :lol:]


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7919075 - 01/23/08 08:19 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

"- Catholics were the ones who compiled the bible in the form we find it today. They selected which books were to be considered true scripture and which were apocrypha and as far as I'm aware, pretty much all protestant denominations that use the traditional bible (instead of, say, the book of mormon) accepted the layout determined by the early fathers of catholicism."

Actually the accepted books were commonly spoken of in many of the writings of church Fathers. The Roman Catholic Church was established in 1050AD, the cannon was finalized in 397AD at Hippos So how did a church that didnt exist create the Bible? There were too epicenters of Christianity. One in Rome and the other in Constantinople. Constantine declared that everyone in rome was a Christian so many pagan practices were Christianize, like the summarimis and tammuz cult which the 40 days of lent are the same 40 days of mourning for tammuz. The apocrypha whic catholics claim are authentic were considered fairy tales by the civilization that held them. The Catholic church was the real church, not the Roman Catholic church. Though the epicenter in Rome eventually developed into the RC. Polycarp mentioned some of the accepted letters and he was killed in 150. Paul would send a letter to a church and then send someone to authenticate it and then it was copied and sent to the other churches, no one chose anything. The RC tries to make it look like they had a larger part than they really did. However they are responsible for 500 years of people not being told the Word because they taught it in a language that no one spoke and wouldn't let anyone read it. Then when People translated manuscripts and found that it didn't say what the Roman Catholics say it did, the reformation was born. A good portion of the 160 million Christians in this country are ex catholics who found out that Christianity isn't supposed to be mean and condemning, but freedom for all from the consequences of sin which is condemnation.

- Christianity isn't about rules? Does that mean I can do anything I want so long as I accept Jesus as my personal savior? So when fundamentalists tell me I'll go to hell if I act on homosexual feelings they're just joking?

Yes, if you really accepted Christ you would go to heaven no matter what but there are earthly consequences for our actions. But technically you can do what you want, Actually Paul said something interesting about sexual immorality. I will never say it is ok to have gay sex but if you had repented of everything when you got saved then it wont send you to hell if you slip up. Christians are saved permanently. The greek word used for sealed is the same that is used when a King sealed an edict, so the idea is that even God can't remove your salvation. The idea isn't to be able to do what you want, my ideas of fun have changed and over time I have become a better person, but I am human and God knows that. He expects you will make mistakes. People just like to use it to control people. Fundamentalists say gays will go to hell if they don't repent, which means acknowledge it is wrong and turn away from, if you slip up God doesn't hold it against you. Remember the Bible says sin is all the same to God, so to lie is to murder, no difference.

This is specific to homosexuality and other sexual sin directly but goes for sin in general

1Co 6:11-12 BBE And such were some of you; but you have been washed, you have been made holy, you have been given righteousness in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (12) I am free to do all things; but not all things are wise. I am free to do all things; but I will not let myself come under the power of any.

Basically Paul is saying, and there is more too it but I am not up for a BIble study, I figure since you really seem to not know this I will take the time to show you. I try to keep the bible stuff on Christian forums....so anyway Paul says because he is saved he cannot go to hell but just because he can sin doesn't mean it is a good idea, he says he will not be mastered by anything, meaning he will not allow a thought which is demonically inspired to control his life. Kinda like when you set out to do $40 in coke and then it takes over your brain and you spend ever cent you have and then start selling stuff, an extreme example but...you get it. I am out of ritalin so my brain is foggy so I am done. Paul also said that if he does the things that he doesn't want to do then it isn't him that does it but the spirit of sin in him doing it. There is a lot more behind the scenes than you think. Everything in life is a choice, just because something feels good ofr right doesn't make it so. I am sure a night with the sweedish bikini team would feel great but if you are married then it is wrong...well, either way it is wrong, I guess...but it would feel damn good!...hehe I am done with this though cuz I am here for shrooms...lol I did 2 out of 4 yrs of a Grad of theology. It is funny how many people "know what the bible says" who really have no idea at all, just what they have been told. Get a New Living translation or a New international version so it is easy to understand. It is an amazing book but you have to understand the Old Testament before you can see the significance of the NT.


--------------------
aka NHMI


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineeve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte Flag
Last seen: 24 days, 9 hours
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: rizingfire]
    #7919100 - 01/23/08 08:28 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Catholics believe that The Pope is Christ's representative on earth. Since other break off sects of Catholics cannot claim to have an Earthly representative of Christ then therefore they are all mistaken. Thus Catholics feel they are right, and all other 'Christians' are merely being fanciful. Catholics follow the Catholic=meaning universal- religion. Christians follow Christ. Anyway, it's all bullshit.


--------------------
...or something







Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: eve69]
    #7919120 - 01/23/08 08:35 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Ya, funny thing is that a Pope(Leo) declared the Pope as a Vicar and not the early church. You are right about the term Catholic. Point is that the Roman Catholic church is a far cry from the Catholic church.


--------------------
aka NHMI


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7919209 - 01/23/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

NiamhNyx said:
Can someone PLEEEAAASE explain to me why so many fundamentalist Christians claim that Catholicism is not a branch of Christianity? I just don't get it! I thought the criteria for being included under the umbrella of Christ was 1) believing Jesus was something special 2)considering the bible to be a reeeaally special book 3) believing in God... and that the rest was elaboration. Is there something I'm missing here?




I think it's professional jealousy. Also competition for resources (souls). Just like the so called differing political parties.:tongue::monkeydance:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7920665 - 01/23/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

NiamhNyx said:
Can someone PLEEEAAASE explain to me why so many fundamentalist Christians claim that Catholicism is not a branch of Christianity? I just don't get it! I thought the criteria for being included under the umbrella of Christ was 1) believing Jesus was something special 2)considering the bible to be a reeeaally special book 3) believing in God... and that the rest was elaboration. Is there something I'm missing here?



What you are missing is an understanding of the gospel. Catholicism is so chuck full of errors it is hard to know where to start. They have set aside God's Word by their traditions, councils and papal decrees. The doctrines they hold to are completely opposed to scripture. They say salvation is by "grace", but Catholic grace has strings attached and therefore is not grace at all. They say "sacraments" are needed in order to receive this grace, and of course they are the only ones that are qualified to carry these things out, so without the Catholic church you are doomed.

Christians know justification is by unconditional grace to the elect, (those chosen from before the foundation of the world) apart from any merits. Christ's imputed righteousness ALONE is the sole and only cause of justification, not personal acts of supposed piety, not faith (faith is a gift), not going to church, not repenting, not getting baptized, NOTHING BUT GRACE.

Salvation by works is fatal and this has infested the so called "Protestant" churches of today. They make the act of faith the meritorious act that merits salvation. This is theologically known as Arminianism, which is an offshoot of the cooperative justification of the Romanist system. Its is either free grace, or grace ceases to be grace entirely.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: fivepointer]
    #7920684 - 01/23/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Can you be saved against your will? :hehehe:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMarkostheGnostic
Elder
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 14,279
Loc: South Florida Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 2 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7920727 - 01/23/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Catholicism is a religion, and so is Presbyterianism, Lutheranism, Protestantism, and all those other sycophantic motormouths. They all hate each other's guts because they disagree on how many forms God takes. If you believe Jesus is the son of God, and that God takes the form of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Spirit) then you're going to HELL! according to the TRUE followers of Jesus, because it's clearly an occult, heretical belief that God is anything but the singular Absolute.

It doesn't make a lick of sense. That's because religions grow and thrive based on power politics, not actual beliefs, ethics, or understanding of the universe.




Actually, only Jehova's Witnesses and Unitarians today hold to the 'creatureliness' of Jesus Christ. The Unitarians still hold to radical monotheism anolong with Jews and Muslims. The rest of Christendom holds to the Nicean (Apostle's) Creed, agreed upon in 325 AD at the Council of Nicea, which establishes the doctrine (occult in my opinion, as you said) that God exists as "one substance and three persons." The notion of 'substance' is wrong from the beginning, but the Greeks were really into the notion of substances. God in insubstantial and admits of no divisions or separations in my own opinion (based on personal mystical experience as well as academics) but I do see an important psychological point in establishing 'relationship' in the inner essence of Deity in order to suggest 'Life,' rather than, as one modern put it, "an infinite sea of gray tapioca."

Roman Catholicism represents the first organizational body of the Church, having obliterated or absorbed all of the early separate churches (Ebionites, Gnostics, etc.). A major schism occurred when the Eastern churches broke away from the Catholic Church and formed Eastern Orthodox Christianity, which, if one reads their [Patristic] theology, is the most psychedelic of all Christian forms! Later still, Catholicism had their own schism lead by the anti-Semitic Augustinian monk Luther in the Protestant Reformation, and hundreds of Protestant denominations eventually formed, most of which accusing the Roman and Byzantine Catholic Churches of Paganism.

Meanwhile, confused by the then 400 year old doctrine of the Trinity, Muhammed believed Catholic Christianity (the only existing form at that point aside from 'heretic' Gnostics) was polytheistic. He rebelled against the polytheism of the nomadic tribal beliefs in order to bond them under a monotheistic faith borrowed from his forefather, the biblical Abraham.

The Trinity is a psychological concession to the polytheistic mind-set, IMO, and served to sever Christianity from the Judaism whence it arose. There is no biblical justification for the doctrine if one studies it closely from an original Jewish interpretation of all the scriptural writings that were penned by Jews. Moderns have read post-gospel theological ideas into, say, the Gospel of John, but being a Jew himself, the writer called John was NOT talking about the 'Word' (which was capitalized only in modern times) as a 'hyposthesis' [the Son/Logos/Word] separate from God. The 2nd century was 'Binitarian' and it was not until the 3rd century that Christianity became Trinitarian with the addition of the Holy Spirit as a third hypothesis. Neither did original Christians think of Jesus as a 'pre-existent' aspect (hyposthesis) of the Godhead, but rather, as a man, anointed by God. This is the 'heretical' view called Adoptionism, which makes the most sense to anyone who believes that God is ONE, who holds Jewish monotheism to be the belief of Jesus and all early Christians, and who understands the polytheistic Hellenization of Christian doctrine from the beginning of Roman Catholicism.


--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


Edited by MarkostheGnostic (01/23/08 09:24 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7920765 - 01/23/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Can you be saved against your will? :hehehe:



Every saved person is saved against their will.  God has to make the person willing and put a new heart in them and give them faith.  The reason is all men are fallen, spiritually dead, and in rebellion to God, and this is the only way that a person CAN be saved.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBlueCoyote
Beyond
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: fivepointer]
    #7922740 - 01/24/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

What if a saved one continues to sin ?


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7922769 - 01/24/08 12:13 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

God will kick him in the balls :lol:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7925244 - 01/24/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
What if a saved one continues to sin ?



A saved person is forever sealed with the Holy Spirit and can never loose their salvation. When a person is given a new heart sin never sits well with them. It WILL bother them to the point of eventually turning from it. This is godly repentance and sorrow for sin.

The problem is most people who claim to be Christian have never been saved and never given the new heart. So when they turn back to the world it appears that a person can loose salvation. They never had salvation to begin with so they never lost it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: fivepointer]
    #7925257 - 01/24/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

O God, here we go again.

Have you read the Bible in Aramaic and Greek?


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/24/08 05:22 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: catholicism not christian? [Re: fivepointer]
    #7929131 - 01/25/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

A saved person is forever sealed with the Holy Spirit and can never loose their salvation.

Good I'm safe then.:thumbup:

When I was a young man I accepted Jesus as my personal savior. At the time I believed it with all my heart and mind. I was involved with an outreach ministry for some years.

Maybe I'm just backsliding a little.:rofl2:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* I hope the Christian fundamentalists are right... psychomime 1,083 10 04/03/07 10:04 PM
by Cracka_X
* why christianity is bullshit
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )
KingOftheThing 24,570 161 04/24/11 05:50 PM
by Holy Bud
* a note to Christians and Catholics. other spiritual or philosphical people
( 1 2 all )
thedudenj 2,925 39 03/30/08 10:09 PM
by Icelander
* A question for Christians like me about studying Buddhism..... PsillyNilly 973 7 12/09/04 09:17 PM
by Ravus
* Space Impact Responsible for the Survival of Christianity? Jackal 913 5 06/24/03 02:24 PM
by fireworks_god
* To the Christians; From Enter
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )
World Spirit 12,983 157 07/21/03 07:37 PM
by Funguy
* chrestie and catholic arabmobster 617 4 04/07/03 09:50 AM
by gnrm23
* Christians?
( 1 2 3 4 all )
SHiZNO 4,806 62 04/13/03 05:39 PM
by jimsuzo

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
2,000 topic views. 1 members, 13 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.