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tealeaf
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i love drinking before, during, and after. day trips i usually stick to juice and water while night trips involve lots and lots of drinking. i love getting hammered on mush. really helps alleviate my inhabitions and involves me more in the trip since im not worried about where it will take me. this is not good advie though cause everyone has heard stories about people getting too fucked up yadda yadda. for me i know my limit and even if i pass it, i am coheirent enough to make wise choices. know what you can handle and always test the boundaries!
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Psychiatrist
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: tealeaf]
#7920075 - 01/23/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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all u guys sayin heat kills psilocybin show me some harcore proof plz thx
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sui
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: Psychiatrist]
#7920181 - 01/23/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Psychiatrist said: all u guys sayin heat kills psilocybin show me some harcore proof plz thx
cook yor shrooms in the oven and eat them theres your proof. Why the fuck would we waste shrooms to prove to you what we already know to be correct?
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: CidneyIndole]
#7920264 - 01/23/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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ok its been proven that heat kills mushrooms, cooking them on a relatively low heat on the stove might not but try sticking them in a roast for a couple of hours and you will guaranteed not feel anything. I think i read somewhere that up to 100 or 150 degrees psilocybin degrades at a much lower rate but after that its degradation rate spikes.
Seriously try it, or deep fry your mushrooms at like 350 for 20 minutes and take them and you will definately not feel it
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CidneyIndole said: I think you need to explore this feeling. I think you should try to figure out WHY you feel anxiety on the come-up, and I think you should learn to work yourself out of it naturally.
Ever since my train wreck of a trip a few months ago i've had horrible anxiety during my trips that has taken over and eventualy led to pretty shitty points in my trips. I think that if i get drunk and have ONE amazing trip with no anxiety then i won't get so worried on the come-up anymore so actually depending on the individual and the situation, i think that using alcohol to soften the anxiety might actually really help you defuse whats causing the anxiety.
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KrishnaDreamer
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: Psychiatrist]
#7920492 - 01/23/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Psychiatrist said: Ate them and drank a couple martinis on the way to the trip.
I had a great martini at the height of my last LSD adventure. It was an awesome feeling, felt like I was James Bond.
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lycanthropy
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: CidneyIndole]
#7920625 - 01/23/08 04:55 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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CidneyIndole said: I really hate to be the voice of dissent here... but I think that what you are asking about is a bad idea.
Some people enjoy drinking a little when they trip. For me, it's not my thing. Alcohol (even a few beers) impairs your cognitive function. I think this prevents me from fully appreciating the amazing and strange effects a psychedelic will have on my mind. But if that's your kind of trip, it's up to you. On the other hand...
You are asking if it's okay to drink, specifically to help with the anxiety. I kind of disagree with that idea, for a number of reasons.
I think you need to explore this feeling. I think you should try to figure out WHY you feel anxiety on the come-up, and I think you should learn to work yourself out of it naturally.
But why do we get this? Presumably, we know our drugs fairly well. We both know that mushrooms are physically very safe. We're not going to die. Why is it then, that when I eat 7 grams of cubensis, I feel gripped with fear on the come-up, even though I've had this dose before, and know what I might expect? Are we just afraid it will be "too intense?" Too mindfucked?
I think that this is part of it... that we have tripped before and know what a psychedelic can do to our minds, whether we are thinking of it consciously or not. But I have another related idea...
I think our minds are resisting possible "ego death." With a small dose, I can get a little nervous. When I know I have taken something bigger... it can be much worse. The second time I took 7g of cubensis, I had the worst panic reaction I had ever gotten, on the come up. My panic was far worse than the previous 7g trip. And interestingly, the trip itself was at least 2x as intense. Everyone who had mushrooms from that crop said they were the most powerful thing they had ever eaten...
But I didn't know any of this when I ate them. All I knew was that I was starting to freak out. I think that my mind, being familiar with the effects of a psychedelic, knew how intense the experience was about to be--even if I didn't consciously know this. And it resisted that disconnection from its normal patterns, manifesting in a fear-reaction.
I think this is one possible explanation, if only a partial one, of the anxiety we feel on the come-up. Of course, maybe I'm totally wrong, and it's something else.
Either way, my recommendation stands. I think that you should try to figure out your anxiety, and learn to deal with it naturally. Being able to do this may help you if you ever find yourself in the middle of a bad trip... a situation where you really don't want to start drinking your way out of it. Learning to do this will benefit you in the long run.
If you want to have a couple beers with your mushrooms just for the experience, that works fine for some people. But I think that facing your fears is a part of what psychedelics are about, and if you're making them a part of your life, you should learn to do this.
If you need alcohol to bury your anxiety and cannot deal with it, perhaps psychedelic drugs are not for you. There's no shame in that. They really aren't for everyone.
Good luck in whatever you choose.
thanks a lot for this post, CidneyIndole! i completely understand where you're coming from when you say you believe the mushroom experience should be a natural one, nothing should adulterate the experience. and that facing your fears is most beneficial. i completely agree on this but however my opinion on shrooms is that of a casual one. i eat them just for a great time, i love the psychological benefits it gives me but nothing in specific is sought after, personally.
i believe my anxiety is rooted to the fact almost half of my mushrooms trips have either been uncomfortable/flat out bad trip. i've never ingested a heroic dose of mushrooms but a bad trip is a bad trip. i am also sort of intimidated by the psychedelic experience and radical shift in perspective and consciousness.
my last mushroom trip (2.5 grams, give or take .5) was a mild, yet amazing one. i've never felt so great. i don't really know how to put it, it surpassed euphoria in a way. i was just amazingly, perfectly, content with everything. complete synergy with life and everything.
i believe the potential anxiety people get from mushrooms is just the natural effect of the drug easing(for lack of a more appropriate term) into your mind. it's kinda like.. shrooms:yo, brain, what's up. brain:not a whole lot bro just chillin, you got here rather quick than expected shrooms:yeah im sneaky like that, besides you didn't eat anything today. so, ready for some fun brain: i dunno dude, on second thought.. you've got a pineal gland scraper. shrooms: aw come on baby, ill grease er up real nice and just slip it in. brain: okay, okay. i love you shrooms shrooms: i love you too brain. brain: yeahhh. ohh yeah.. ohhh yeah.
pretty much exactly like that, infact.
in conclusion, i believe a few beers would do me wonders, especially after reading the feedback provided in this thread. with my casual outlook on the psychedelic experience, i have faith that my trip will not be hindered in any way. (save a few visuals, from what i've read. but that is alright.)
thanks to everyone who answered my questions -lycan
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: lycanthropy]
#7920931 - 01/23/08 05:57 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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i agree with cidney to an extent, but i also think that the anxiety before tripping or as its coming on is a pretty natural thing. you're about to experience something quite amazing and out of the ordinary. it's not always because your hiding something or you have some deeply rooted problem. it can just be the simple fact that you know you're about to go on an intense journey through the psyche.
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TheHauntingSoul
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: lycanthropy]
#7925874 - 01/24/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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lycanthropy said:
shrooms:yo, brain, what's up. brain:not a whole lot bro just chillin, you got here rather quick than expected shrooms:yeah im sneaky like that, besides you didn't eat anything today. so, ready for some fun brain: i dunno dude, on second thought.. you've got a pineal gland scraper. shrooms: aw come on baby, ill grease er up real nice and just slip it in. brain: okay, okay. i love you shrooms shrooms: i love you too brain. brain: yeahhh. ohh yeah.. ohhh yeah.
pretty much exactly like that, infact.
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Psychiatrist
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: sui]
#7928770 - 01/25/08 07:38 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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suimush said:
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Psychiatrist said: all u guys sayin heat kills psilocybin show me some harcore proof plz thx
cook yor shrooms in the oven and eat them theres your proof. Why the fuck would we waste shrooms to prove to you what we already know to be correct?
you obviously don't know. Quit running your mouth unless you've tried it yourself. I've had too many shrooms in the past so i tried cooking them in oil on the stove and it obviously doesn't ruin the potency. I am probably one of the few who have tried cooking with them and I know for a fact it doesn't effect potency. I have done it atleast 20 times and tripped everytime. Theres no way I just got lucky. Pan frying on the stove at low/medium heat doesn't kill shroom potency period.
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Chronic7

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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: Psychiatrist]
#7928788 - 01/25/08 07:47 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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When id rink on shroomz it hits me hard and i feel sick and my brain feels sO dense after, definately not a good mix.
The other week i was out drinkin for a mates bday and then we shroomed at about 1 in the morning, it was a good trip but thwne i was coming up the alcohol in my belly made me feel so nausious
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lycanthropy
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: Chronic7]
#7931183 - 01/25/08 05:53 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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doesn't only a direct flame kill psilocybin?
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Re: Drinking prior to shrooms [Re: lycanthropy]
#7932560 - 01/25/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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nah hot enough temperatures can kill it
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