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Thoughts on a creator
    #7915091 - 01/22/08 03:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I havent posted here in a while (although I never really did with P+S), but i thought that today might be different. The past few days iv been pondering the thoughts of a creator/designer. This is probably what many of you call GOD. I believed in God and Jesus for 18 years of my life, shit iv only been atheist for a little more than a year. Raised Catholic i really like Jesus and the holy spirit, and i felt really betrayed when i found out that none of it is true. Jesus did not come back to life and he never ascended into heaven. I stopped believing in heaven, and especially hell. Anyways, that aside....

Trying to figure out the answer to this shit is very frustrating and mindboggling. This planet is fucking PERFECT. It rotates around this ball of fire at the perfect speed, our days are the perfect length (excluding some places duh) and we even have dreams at night. It seems like it is all a little too perfect to just be 'coincidence.' I look at a human and i am blown away at how incredible we are, our personalities, hair cuts, voices...ETC, ETC

I imagine something sitting down and desiging the body and every fucking creature on this planet. But what made that THING?

This planet is fuckin hooked up, we got TVs, cell phones (which work like MAGIC dont they? its incredible), cars, planes, SPACE SHIPS, fuck.....ETC

and then i think....ok, actually this shit isnt perfect. there is disease, WAR, crime, species dying off every fucking day. Earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes. This planet is NOT perfect, not at all.

and as for all the technology, HUMANS made that shit not GOD. We are the same species as a black ass african straight out of africa. They look like SOO MUCH like apes (NOT BEING RACIST) it is obvious that evolution is real. I observe humans as the dirty disgusting human beings we are. We are filthy and bad (not all, obviously).

This is probably the longest post iv ever put on shroomery,
feel free to respond or challenge me and my thoughts :thumbup:

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7915105 - 01/22/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh and i forgot one thing, about how all fucking animals came on this planet. All lizards came from the fish things that slowly creeped onto land and every mammal came from the shrew ancestor. Monkeys and apes came from this shrew, and we came from the apes. I believe this planet has been spinning a LONG time thus all this fucking life. (thanks to water, carbon, air). im really stoned haha

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7915167 - 01/22/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist said:

Trying to figure out the answer to this shit is very frustrating and mindboggling. This planet is fucking PERFECT. It rotates around this ball of fire at the perfect speed, our days are the perfect length (excluding some places duh) and we even have dreams at night. It seems like it is all a little too perfect to just be 'coincidence.'





It seems perfect simply because we are accustomed to it. Our culture and biology have been adapting to our environment as long as we've been here. The organisms that have survived are the ones that do well with the length of days we have, and the climates we have, etc. The days are not 'the perfect length,' the organisms that currently exist have been evolving to thrive under these conditions. If you believe in evolution, how could it be any other way?

We can only discover the universe from the inside out -- that is, from a human perspective. That's why we thought the earth was flat for so long, because that's the way it looks from our limited viewpoint.

I don't see what's uncanny about any of it. Given the conditions in the universe as we understand them, and its size, and the amount of time involved, some pretty interesting things are bound to happen. Just a few of them are here on this particular rock.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7915222 - 01/22/08 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also take into account that a lot of what you just said is speculation and theories. None of it is proven either way.

Human beings can't comprehend "nothing" and "infinite" or at least I can't anyway.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7915317 - 01/22/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist said:

Trying to figure out the answer to this shit is very frustrating and mindboggling. This planet is fucking PERFECT. It rotates around this ball of fire at the perfect speed, our days are the perfect length (excluding some places duh) and we even have dreams at night. It seems like it is all a little too perfect to just be 'coincidence.'





It seems perfect simply because we are accustomed to it. Our culture and biology have been adapting to our environment as long as we've been here. The organisms that have survived are the ones that do well with the length of days we have, and the climates we have, etc. The days are not 'the perfect length,' the organisms that currently exist have been evolving to thrive under these conditions. If you believe in evolution, how could it be any other way?

We can only discover the universe from the inside out -- that is, from a human perspective. That's why we thought the earth was flat for so long, because that's the way it looks from our limited viewpoint.

I don't see what's uncanny about any of it. Given the conditions in the universe as we understand them, and its size, and the amount of time involved, some pretty interesting things are bound to happen. Just a few of them are here on this particular rock.




very, very true

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7916142 - 01/22/08 06:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, you ARE being racist when you make childishly idiotic statements about Africans looking like apes. Dark skin and broader nostrils are adaptations to ultraviolet radiation and highly humid air. My narrow little nostrils cause me trouble enough in Miami humidity and I've been in a dense Nigerian forest with real apes - large lighthaired ones.

YOU might be suffering from the Catholic doctrine of Original Sin and still feel filthy because of it. I was born into a Jewish home and only later, neurotically embraced that sick doctrine. I feel SO much better having dumped it into the dungheap of other sick ideologies like the inferiority of other 'racial' groups. There's only ONE race and it's Human. Surface differences are no more significant than eye color to our Human constitiution.

As to the Christian mythos, you might consider that the Truths contained in myth are as powerful as the matter-antimatter contained in 'magnetic bottles' as in the StarTrek series. I know that it's fictional, but superhot plasmas in real science are contained in magnetic fields and high speed particles are contained and directed by magnetic fields. Metaphorically, the non-material 'magnetic bottle' is like the non-historical mythos - both contain Real energies. Myth is a universal pattern which, like skin color, is only superficially different. The core myths are universal and archetypal, deriving from the deepest level of the Human psyche.

Your assignment, if you wish to accept it, is to understand that manifest reality is a multidimensional phenomenon, and that historicity is not the arbiter of what Reality is. Exactly what Resurrection means, for example, must remain a Mystery, or else it becomes comprehensible as some kind of physical resusitation. THAT does not help anyone and is hardly what Transcendence of form is about. St. Paul NEVER spoke to a Resurrection of the flesh, only the much newer gospel (tomb) narratives did. They were written for the most simple of folk in the most concrete terms as 'public relations' pieces to 'sell' the new paganized religion to non-Jews. Jewish Christians never interpreted the Resurrection-Ascension-Return motifs in any crudely material/historical way, yet Jewish Christianity was stamped out as heretical. What endured was the TRULY heretical material promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church - that stuff that you rejected. Resurrection, the very basis of Christianity is regarded very differently from an Eastern Orthodox theology. It is about 'theosis' - our becoming God http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis. It is far more on the subjective, experiencial pole of Reality than some external, materialist version that the Latin (and Protestant) churches still cling to in their collective delusions. You needn't toss the baby (Jesus) out with the bathwater. You need to unlearn and relearn about the Christian mythos from a higher perspective and one that reconciles mystical insight with rationality about the world.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7916358 - 01/22/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i hate christianity with a PASSION, i think that it is the biggest lie the world has ever fell for

maybe religion in general i guess but christianity is one of the worst

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7916383 - 01/22/08 06:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You hate it? You're giving it all your power, we hate when we fear.
Also, I don't think that Christianity itself in responsible for what you hate... look deeper.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7916398 - 01/22/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i just hate that i was lied too, jesus is totally fake

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7916411 - 01/22/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Get over it :shrug:
All of us were/are/will be lied, it's part of life.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7916585 - 01/22/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Take up my new religion..macdreanity:macdre:


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7916590 - 01/22/08 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am sorry, my religion is smirkist :smirk:


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7916602 - 01/22/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I observe humans as the dirty disgusting human beings we are.

Well put.:thumbup:


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7917460 - 01/22/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hate lies, hate yourself for being stupid, but dig for Truth, it's the only real treasure there is. Right now, you're just being reactive. No logic where you're at, you're just having a tantrum. Write back when you calm down.

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7918314 - 01/23/08 12:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A few things:

1) The fact that the world is not "perfect," as you described it, does not rule out the possibility of a creator.

2) Evolution is not incompatible with the idea of a creator.

3) Whether we are "good" or "bad" says nothing about whether a creator exists.

It seems you're thinking of a creator that possesses specific characteristics. The idea of whether or not a creator exists is completely distinct from the matter of what properties that being would have.

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7918812 - 01/23/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> i hate christianity with a PASSION, i think that it is the biggest lie the world has ever fell for

By hating, you are empowering that which you hate to control your life.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Seuss]
    #7918943 - 01/23/08 07:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Kitty Eagle is legion and will smite you all for your insolence, hail Ra Hoor Kitty!

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Seuss]
    #7920154 - 01/23/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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> i hate christianity with a PASSION, i think that it is the biggest lie the world has ever fell for

By hating, you are empowering that which you hate to control your life.




hate = strong disliking towards something

i really, REALLY, do not like christianity/christians that think they are special cuz they luv jesus

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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
    #7920481 - 01/23/08 04:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well people sure seem to be getting fired up about somebody's cultural conditioning.
seeing the cultural conditioning should flag acceptance and compassion - outrage only if there is effective trouble emanating.
what I see emanating is curiosity,
confusion,
and concern.

maybe it is just stoned talk, but the curiosity and concern can be commuted into compassion and this is among the best of things that humans can be involved in.


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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7920722 - 01/23/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

world is not terrible. what is terrible is our current equation of GOVERNMENT < PEOPLE

once we achieve PEOPLE > GOVT then we can talk about the world being bad.

lets take control folk, HELP ME HELP YOU


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