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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: zappa on healthcare .."open market" or "crony capitalism"?... [Re: Icelander]
    #7920433 - 01/23/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yes but I don't think anyone should have an obligation to take care of themselves. Hence I have no obligation to take care of them either.


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Re: zappa on healthcare .."open market" or "crony capitalism"?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7921773 - 01/23/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I agree.


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Re: zappa on healthcare .."open market" or "crony capitalism"?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7922258 - 01/23/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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BrAiN said:

You already have to pay for someone else. What do you think your health insurance premiums are for? If you don't utilize as much value as you put in, the someone else is just using the money you're putting in.




True. That is the nature of ALL insurance. It is also my choice.
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Probably the most simple, articulate thing you've ever said on this board. How can I argue with that???? The only thing I can say is that it WOULD be nice if insurance companies would make their financial dealing more transparent so you can SEE how much you;re getting in return on your premiums compares to other health insurance companies ... that way you could see how much you're getting ripped off.

Maybe thats our country's first step in health care reform... more mandatory reports/access to your return on "investment" (or premiums in this case) and how much you pay in compared to others and how much you get out compared to others, and how mucn salary the execs are making


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Re: zappa on healthcare .."open market" or "crony capitalism"?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7922275 - 01/23/08 10:26 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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BrAiN said:

You already have to pay for someone else. What do you think your health insurance premiums are for? If you don't utilize as much value as you put in, the someone else is just using the money you're putting in.




True. That is the nature of ALL insurance. It is also my choice.
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So why not make those rules required for health insurance companies also? THe more people fuck themselves up, the more healthy people still have to pay.

Same principle




Dangerous people get kicked out all the time.




As a self-employed person with an incorporated business who has actually employed other via w2 (not 1099).. actual employess.. I've learned (at least in my state) that you cannot deny health insurance to employees who have gained their insurance through an employer. There IS NO SCREENING for insurance recipients who got their insurance though employment.

Seeing as how most Americans get their insurance through their employers, most Americans don't get kicked out of health insurance. If you get your insurance through an employer, you CANNOT be denied for preexisting conditions because you NEVER have to report them.

So again.. most Americans are STILL paying for assholes to do whatever they want. I really don' think this will be as different if you have gov't mandated health care. Of course... neither you nor I know will really know how much a new recipient (due to gov't mandated care) will actually cost a premium payer (or tax payer in this case) unless an extensive study is conducted.

I think Americans at LEAST deserve a study on whether or not universal health care is Economical. ***THIS*** would at least be some tax payer dollars put to good use. If it's found out that we WOULD benfit financially from Universal health care (UVC) then the study would be worth it. If UVC isn't worth it, at least we'll know for sure and have more firepower to shut up the commie welfare queens that think it's their right.


Remember... I'm not a hippie. I'm FOR UVC for economic reasons.... not hippie reasons.


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