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US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy
    #7912816 - 01/21/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Another delusion of the insane American government...


But John Carnavale, an economist who worked for four previous U.S. drug czars between 1989 and 2000, said Walters is "cherry-picking data" to blame Canada.

DRUG CZAR'S CLAIMS REJECTED

RCMP Debunk 'Extreme Ecstasy'

VANCOUVER -- The head of the RCMP's national drug branch is debunking claims by the United States' drug czar, who claims organized crime rings in Canada are dumping dangerous, methamphetamine-laced "extreme ecstasy" into his country's illegal drug market.

Supt. Paul Nadeau said he doesn't know why John Walters, of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, would make such statements in a widely distributed news release without checking facts with Canadian officials.

"I shook my head when I read the release that they put out," said Nadeau, adding he's never heard of extreme ecstasy.

"That term is unknown to us, certainly in Canada, and I can tell you that I've spoken to law enforcement people in the U.S. and they've never heard of it either so it would appear that it's a term that somebody came up with in a boardroom in Washington, D.C."

The release has generated huge media buzz in the U.S., with some news outlets using names such as "turbo-charged ecstasy," which is supposedly flowing across the border from Canada.

In the release, issued earlier this month, Walters warns public health and safety leaders that more than 55 per cent of ecstasy samples seized in the U.S. last year contained meth, a stimulant that affects the central nervous system.

"This extreme ecstasy is a disturbing development in what has been one of the most significant international achievements against the illicit drug trade," Walters said.

"Cutting their product with less expensive methamphetamine boosts profits for Canadian ecstasy producers, likely increases the addictive potential of their product and effectively gives a dangerous 'facelift' to a designer drug that had fallen out of fashion with young American drug users."

Nadeau said there's nothing new about ecstasy -- the so-called love drug that gained popularity during the 1990s rave scene -- being laced with methamphetamine or other stimulants.

"According to our stats the presence of methamphetamines in ecstasy is dropping," he said, adding tests by the RCMP indicate that currently, about 35 per cent of ecstasy pills contain meth, down from 75 per cent several years ago.

"Why now do they feel the need to announce this to the world?" Nadeau said of the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Walters' office did not return calls from The Canadian Press.

But John Carnavale, an economist who worked for four previous U.S. drug czars between 1989 and 2000, said Walters is "cherry-picking data" to blame Canada.

He said that's likely because of Canada's harm-reduction approach to dealing with drug addiction, compared with the "user accountability" model American drug czars have preached.

"It was news to me that Canada was allegedly emerging as the source of supply ( for ecstasy ). Mexicans have really dominated the market, given the data up to now," Carnavale said..

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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7912835 - 01/21/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

What an asshole, blaming Canada for his problem. Why not blame the midwest for making meth?


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: learningtofly]
    #7912914 - 01/21/08 11:15 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Anything to help his neoconservative soulmates up north stay on message.


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7913377 - 01/22/08 12:59 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

its americas fault its "laced" with meth
since they made safrole oil so hard to come by now


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy (moved) [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7914041 - 01/22/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

This thread was moved from Political Discussion.

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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy (moved) [Re: Phred]
    #7916776 - 01/22/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

"turbo-powered ecstasy"? Wasn't there even more meth in that shit, like 5 years ago? Any phrase can be pulled out of the wood works to enhance their case on these dirty Canadian X peddlers I suppose.


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7917993 - 01/22/08 11:17 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

blame canada! blame canada!

i think someone's drug czar got stoned and watch a little to much south park the movie and thought that blaming canada might actually work. it makes you proud to be an american doesn't it?


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7967711 - 02/02/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> "That term is unknown to us, certainly in Canada, and I can tell you that I've spoken to law enforcement people in the U.S. and they've never heard of it either so it would appear that it's a term that somebody came up with in a boardroom in Washington, D.C."

That is the truth - extreme ecstasy is a marketing soundbyte that came from DC.

Ecstasy pills with meth are nothing more than a lame way to pass off bunk pills. Its not much more expensive than pure bunk and doesn't get returned quite as often.


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Re: US drug czar blames Canada for extreme ecstasy [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7978136 - 02/04/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is once again the fault of the drug war.

If MDMA were a regulated substance we wouldn't have to worry about it being cut with meth.

If weed were regulated, we wouldn't have to worry about it being cut with crack or PCP.

If mushrooms were legal, we wouldn't have to worry about them being laced with LSD or LSA.

If PCP were regulated we wouldn't have to worry about unreacted Piperdine or Cyanide.

If cocaine were regulated, we wouldn't have to worry about it being cut with ephedrine, PCP, paint thinner, or anything else.

Why don't people see this?

If someone wants to do a drug, they will find a way to do it. When they finally decide to try it, shouldn't they be trying what they want to try?


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