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2 mushrooms on a first flush?!?
    #7912734 - 01/21/08 10:42 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

After several failed attempts over the past few months (either due to poor sterilization, wrong materials, or whatever) I've finally managed to make something grow. Unfortunately, I got Two whole shrooms from my first flush, which is not good, but obviously much better than my other few attempts. I know this is not right, and it's probably something I've done wrong.

I've looked around as much as I can, but nothing seems to have quite the answer I'm looking for.

A little info: It's a BRF cake, I bought a case of them from mycopath. So it shouldn't be a problem with that. B+ spores from the hawks eye. FC is a 10gal aquarium, about 1" perlite in the bottom, with a spray shield and lid made from plexiglass. Temp is ~75 F. I misted/FAE'd at least 4 times a day, usually 6-8. Light is ambient room lighting, no special set up there. ...I think thats all the relevant information, apologies if I've left out anything important.

Question is, what did I do wrong? I know it was something! Did I spray too much? Not enough? Not enough FAE? Wrong size FC? Sorry for asking dumb newb questions.

Thanks anybody for any help =)


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7912761 - 01/21/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Way more perlite is needed. About 4-5 inches. Sprayshields are outdate. Just mist and fan.


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7912764 - 01/21/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Also, with an aquarium like that it could be CO2 buildup but if you FAE that often it shouldn't be a problem. Just get a rubbermaid and drill lots of holes in it and throw perlite in the bottom ala the RR Shotgun FC.


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7912852 - 01/21/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Right! No spray shield, more perlite! (40 seconds later) Thats taken care of!! Anything else?

Other random queston, while I'm questioning. Should I be interested in casings? As this is obviously my first grow, and it's not going Real well, I'm guessing not. Or would it help? Assuming I can manage to not fuck it up, would any of the casing teks be a good idea at all?


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7912924 - 01/21/08 11:17 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Unless you're talking about double end casings which are good ideas, you dont' case cakes. You dunk and roll cakes (roll in dry clean verm). And casing is usually not going to get you more shrooms. If you spawned to something like coir or hpoo. But cakes arent' such good spawn. For spawn use rye or wbs.


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7912934 - 01/21/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

And to eat my own words, if you have an aquarium and it has no holes in it and the lid you have also has no holes in it a drip shield may not be a bad idea. With the shotgun FC you don't have to worry about drips from the roof because water usually doesn't condense up there. But with your setup if you don't have some holes in the lid or don't feel like putting holes in it, a drip shield might be a wise investment so water isn't dripping onto your caps and sitting there. If you want a set and forget method, look into monotubs. Buy a plastic tote, put 4-8 holes in it stuffed with polyfil, put your substrate and spawn down, case when ready and leave it until harvest.


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7913159 - 01/22/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Ermm...thanks for the help...but like... I can hardly grow a cake... You're talking about making bulk spawn/substrate.

Is that easier/more fool resistant? I'm obviously not the most fool resistant person... Would a monotub be less easy for me to fuck up? It would Certainly yield more mushrooms, than any cake. But, wouldn't spawn/bulk substrate, prolly be more than I can handle at my stage? I'm aware of aproximately how to do it, but not comfortable yet doing it.

Thanks a Lot for the help! And for not doing what many seem to do here... "Use search noob! I have time to flame you but answering your question is more trouble than calling you a noob over several paragraphs is!!!"


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913222 - 01/22/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Naw. Cakes should be pretty easy but if you want to try monotubbing rock on :smile:. The biggest problem you're maybe running into is lack of moisture. Make sure to dunk your cakes for 24 hours and roll in dry clean verm. Then put them in the FC and mist and then fan (in that order) 4-7 times a day. If you STILL don't get any fruits...damn, I don't know what to say to that :smile:. But if you're desperate I've seen people use 1 gallon milk jugs as FC's with some polyfil stuffed in top and perlite on the bottom about 3 inches. Do a search for it and see what comes up.


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7913252 - 01/22/08 12:24 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

do u have a pc?


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7913315 - 01/22/08 12:40 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Vermiculite...I've had a problem there actually. Nobody around here seems to carry vermiculite in the winter, or a fan for that matter... What kinda bonehead wants a fan or to start a garden in January?

I think I'll try bulk substrate. Would I be beter finding my own, or buying pre-made?

Re:B4B... Yes...I have a PC... Apparently I use it wrong, as I had to buy PF jars... =)


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913338 - 01/22/08 12:47 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

this is my grow log. its pretty noob friendly. it you follow it you should have pretty good results. i just got 11.5 oz's dry from my last two
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7859521/an/0/page/0

i havent applied a casing layer yet in the growlog because i just spawned it today but by the time you get that far my growlog will be done. if you have any q's you could pm me and ill help ya out and try and get ya some fruits from your labor


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7913365 - 01/22/08 12:56 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

I try looking @ your link...but I keep getting an "access denied" message! Am I looking at it wrong? Or otherwise doing something wrong? Prolly....

No, really, I get an above specified error message trying to look at that. Sorry, but it dosen't work for me....


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913387 - 01/22/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

really? it works for me when i click on it.

just go into the mushroom growlog forum and click on my thread
"starting a pe growlog"


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913394 - 01/22/08 01:05 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

If you are having real problems with the pf teks i would suggest moving onto something else if you have a pc. I have way to much temperature fluctuation in my house to grow in pf jars and failed miserable just at getting the jars to colonize so i read that Wbs was a little easier in some ways so i was like ok and tried that to my amazement i found it alot easier then the jars alot less work too, and much cheaper materials its easy to find bird seed in the winter cause everyone feeds birds. You already have a pc so you are set to go if you have the jars just my suggestion I would try those and case them if were you cant hurt to experiment thats for sure :laugh: if your interested anymore about that and need some help you can pm me i am more then willing to answer any questions you may have


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7913401 - 01/22/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Zen doesnt have enough posts to view the growlog section yet....


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7913409 - 01/22/08 01:08 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

"we cannot proceed" "Access denied" My internet must be jacked up, as is most of anything I do anywhere. Sorry for any trouble, and thank you for trying to help and not just "uSe SeaRcH NoOb!1!" as many would be prone to.

Edit: How many posts do I need to view the grow log section? Should I just post "lol"'s and "=)"'s like some folks do to grow a post count? Or do I really have to think of substantial contributions to this community and post them? My muse tells me what to post, and I'm terrified of my muse.

Not enough posts....that kinda sucks....


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913418 - 01/22/08 01:11 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

yea you need like 30-50 posts to get in or something like that


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7913431 - 01/22/08 01:13 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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yea you need like 30-50 posts to get in or something like that




huh, i had no idea. well get some posts buddy.

bulk is the way to go:thumbup:

i still do cakes though.  they're fun and easy.  not to make you feel bad buddy


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7913478 - 01/22/08 01:27 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Zen Lunatic, Lesser John, Paula Mint, Dave Ellis, and other made up people say to not spam, and don't post if ya got nothing useful to say. So it may be a while before I can look @ grow logs.

No, I dun feel bad... So I suck @ making mushrooms.... I can make a wine from anything. A tasty wine at that! I don't completely suck! Send me some WBS and HPOO! 1oz. dry shroom says i can make a tasty wine from it!

Well, prolly not, but I bet I can =)


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7913492 - 01/22/08 01:32 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Oh...and it's 10 posts to read the growlog. I got there w/o spamming or otherwise being a douche!

Pathetic aint I? 2 months here and 10 posts... If ya don't got nothing to say...don't say it...

Edit... I still stand by my WBS/Hpoo wine bet. I'll need @ least a quarter, that is 3 months, but it's a valid bet. *donkey laugh* ANyone takin? /bored?


Edited by Zen Lunatic (01/22/08 01:45 AM)


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7914868 - 01/22/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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Zen Lunatic said:
usually 6-8. Light is ambient room lighting, no special set up there.

Thanks anybody for any help =)




Maybe 12 hours of light a day on and 12 hours off might help.
Just a suggestion, I'm new at this too. good luck


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: thatamatt]
    #7914900 - 01/22/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

The light wouldn't effect the number of mushrooms you get. Although some people might disagree. Things like not having enough water, did you dunk the cake before the first flush ?


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: DontPlay]
    #7917531 - 01/22/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

No, I did not dunk the cake. That in and of itself is likely a good reason for such a poor flush, tho I've read of folks not dunking and getting good results. To me it just seemed like I would prolly contaminate the hell out of my cake trying to do anything like that.

Good news is since I made a few changes to my terrarium (ie. adding more perlite and direct misting), I've got what looks like a decent second flush coming =)


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7917555 - 01/22/08 09:56 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Good jaerb. Keep on growing :smile:


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7918432 - 01/23/08 01:33 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

i think i'm going to start posting randomly so i can view the grow-logs too :smile:


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Re: 2 mushrooms on a first flush?!? [Re: Zen Lunatic]
    #7918545 - 01/23/08 02:30 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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No, I did not dunk the cake. That in and of itself is likely a good reason for such a poor flush, tho I've read of folks not dunking and getting good results. To me it just seemed like I would prolly contaminate the hell out of my cake trying to do anything like that.




Fully colonized BRF cakes are pretty contaminant resistant. Once the mycelium has its hold on the substrate, it makes it very difficult for competing spores to germinate and thrive. Soak those cakes for a day in regular tap water to give them plenty of moisture. Combined with misting and lots of perlite, your mushrooms should have plenty of water to work with.


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