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Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school
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January 20, 2008 Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school Anna Mikhailova
POLICE officers across the country have been used by the Church of Scientology to promote its antidrugs campaign in schools.
Officers have been handing out booklets that praise the science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, the church’s founder, and describe both prescription and illegal drugs as “poison”.
Scientologists say they are so trusted by the police that they have been asked to act as adult representatives for young people arrested on drugs offences.
One of the booklets handed out by Metropolitan police on behalf of the church’s Say No to Drugs campaign said Hubbard was creator of “the safest, most effective - and only - detoxification procedure of its kind”.
In total 1m booklets are distributed each year. They label alcohol and antidepressants as “poison” and say that oxycodone, a prescription painkiller, is “as powerful as heroin”.
A booklet on heroin says methadone, the drug used by the NHS to treat heroin addicts, is as dangerous as the class A drug and should not be prescribed.
Martin Barnes, of DrugScope, the drugs information charity, said: “These booklets fall short and should not be allowed in schools.”
Met officers have attended meetings in London and West Sussex hosted by the church, aimed at forging links with “community leaders”. They were briefed about the Say No to Drugs campaign and given information packs - although Scotland Yard said working with the church should not be seen as an endorsement.
Patrick Mercer, a Tory MP on the home affairs select committee, said: “If the information is misleading or inaccurate, then the police should simply not be distributing it.”
Ian Howarth, founder of the Cult Information Centre, said: “The booklets may lead some readers to venture closer to Scientology than might be wise.”
The booklets recommend the controversial charity Narconon as the best way to recover from drug abuse. Last year The Sunday Times revealed Scientology’s links with the charity, which had been using Hubbard’s methods to tackle drug abuse.
Last autumn the City of London police carried out an inquiry after some 20 officers accepted Scientology hospitality that included tickets to the Leicester Square premiere of Mission Impossible III, and a £500 a head charity dinner at the church’s British headquarters, both of which were attended by Tom Cruise.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
#7912480 - 01/21/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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scientology is insane. the fact anyone could actually believe in it amazes me. the people involved in it are crazy too. just look at tom cruise.
lol for some reason firefox wants me to capitalize scientology. It doesn't deserve capitalization.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: THEBats]
#7912750 - 01/21/08 10:45 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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hehe I went to a Swedish, Mexican, Arabian wedding done under the Church of Scientology in Sweden over the summer.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Cracka_X]
#7912893 - 01/21/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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"the fastest way to make a million dollars is to start your own religon"- l ron hubbard. they give people near fatal doses of niacin in their so called detox program. i find it interesting that they get people off drugs and start them right onto another addiction religon
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
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> Oh wait, Scientology isn't a religion,
Correct. It is a cult.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
#7913649 - 01/22/08 03:06 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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*sigh*
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: lovingtickels]
#7913659 - 01/22/08 03:22 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Meh, once they start realising what a bunch of looney-toons Scientologists are, they'll drop the Narconon bullshit like a hot potato.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Floop]
#7913691 - 01/22/08 04:06 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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> *sigh*
Sigh all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Unlike many, my single criteria for being a cult is the ratio of how far you can progress in the group to how much you have to pay. $cientology is near the top of the list... How much did you pay for that last auditing? How much is the next one going to cost? The one after that? When $cientology starts to offer their beliefs for free, rather than charging, then I will delist them as a cult... but for now, the shoe fits and they are what they are... a cult.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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Hail Xenu!
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
#7914335 - 01/22/08 11:40 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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no fucking way.
l ron had to have used a bunch of psychedelics, i bet he loved to trip.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
#7914611 - 01/22/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Seuss said: > *sigh*
Sigh all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Unlike many, my single criteria for being a cult is the ratio of how far you can progress in the group to how much you have to pay. $cientology is near the top of the list... How much did you pay for that last auditing? How much is the next one going to cost? The one after that? When $cientology starts to offer their beliefs for free, rather than charging, then I will delist them as a cult... but for now, the shoe fits and they are what they are... a cult.
No worries, my sigh was directed at the idiots that make up that cult, not at you
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Floop]
#7914852 - 01/22/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Martin Barnes, of DrugScope, the drugs information charity, said: “These booklets fall short and should not be allowed in schools.”
Personally, I thin, MArtin Barnes is a crackwhoreboy.
I LOVED the movie BATTLEFIELD earth. I've had crystal METH problems; exactly because the court case could not be dropped has agitated me to the point of continuing the habit - if I was just left alone and allowed to move on I would not still be using the *SHIT*...
MARTIN BARNES is a fucking asshole, I havent read any of your responses.
I mean I love shrooms and always will. But some type of higher level anti drug approach is needed by people who fucking need to get rid of a habit, and fuck all u cunts who are so full of shit about oh yeqh drugs are wonderful 0 coz i agree wirth you; but theres a point where they become fucked up, esp. some drugs and certain people's capacity to deal with them. so shut the fuck up and let thesze vrazy scientologist bitch4es do their shit its a far cry, THANK GOD, from christian intervention into the matter. u know
EXTERMINATE THE MAN ANIMALS... and HAPPY HUNTING
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, dont get me wrong
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dont even bother getting personal, ill shove it back up your ass mk
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Magicius]
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define CULT. The definition cult
originates from a cultureal background, that in itself is stemmed in primitive cultism
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Magicius]
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I agree tom cruise is a retard. but john travolta is ok
except for that hairspray BS thats more like ass hair spray...
mk
l ron hubbard wrote BATTLEFIELD earth, u know that movie...
although its criticized as a shit movie, it is/ was fun to watch
that sort of crazy alien arrogant BS travolta plays *IS* amuzin
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Magicius]
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SEUSS: I QUOTE U
When $cientology starts to offer their beliefs for free, rather than charging, then I will delist them as a cult... but for now, the shoe fits and they are what they are... a cult
u r WRONG: in china there is a group called a CULT, i.e FALUN GONG:
however, membership is free; not only THAT, but the books and teachings, classes everything is mandatory free of charge; however its BANNED in china as a cult, the leader has a $500 million dollar reward on his head; the cult has 150 million members; saying that because of COSTS, that a group is a cult, is irrational, fallacy. dont make such abjectly obverse generalisations;
its just wrong.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Floop]
#7915428 - 01/22/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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> my sigh was directed at the idiots that make up that cult, not at you
I've been dinged by a few of our $cientology members for my viewpoint and was afraid you might be one ready to tear into me. (the proverbial sigh before the storm...) Glad I was wrong! 
> u r WRONG
It happens from time to time. However, just because China calls a group a cult does not mean that group is a cult. I don't know much about Falun Gong, but from what I remember, China had no problem with them until they protested something. After that, they were tagged for destruction. I'll stand by my obverse generalization... and remember, while we are on generalizations, that when I refer to costs, I am not always talking about money.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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lol mag, your tweekin right now aren't you?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: impgl]
#7915464 - 01/22/08 04:24 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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im not sure if this is derailing the thread, but i've been to a few scientology screenings, but i always come out shaking my head. i mean, the stuff other "religions" and "religious" people have told me before made no sense, but scientology.... i mean, can anyone maybe post or hell, even pm me on why i SHOULD become a scientologist? im not shopping for a religion, i just dont want to talk shit on something that i *might* be into. i dont want to make an unbiased opinion, after all. peace
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
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What was the part about LSD again?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: impgl]
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i used to think scientology was just some 'science' thing. OMG thats horrible.... im scared.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said: Religion is poison.
These are the words Chairman Mao said to the Dalai Lama after the Chinese started their takeover of Tibet and began commiting cultural genocide, killing thousands of Tibetans and destroying Tibetan Buddhism in the cultural revolution.
I would have used a different choice of words given the context of this famous phrase.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: impgl]
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The reason why scientology seems crazier than other religons is that it is newer, and just getting into mainstream and we humans haven't 'accepted' it overall yet. Christianity: A story about a women giving birth without getting impregnated, having a child who IS HIS OWN FATHER, who performs various unrelated 'miracles' and later gets killed, doesn't save himself, and then comes back as a zombie prince, who strangely all his information resembles other historic religions down to a t, yet everyone still follows it. All religions sound ridiculous, all religions are ridiculous. Scientology is just another badly thought out scam. People want to feel secure? Fine, fuck them, give them their goddamn lies.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: PoisonedV]
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Scientology is just another badly thought out scam
Actually I think it is a fairly well thought out scam...
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SoY]
#7920455 - 01/23/08 04:24 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Seuss, why do you have to sneak away to the dark corners of the shroomery to recycle lame anti-scieno arguments that I have personally debunked in other threads?
every single person that has posted a "fact" in this thread that rails againsdt scientology is grossly innacurate. now, the news article was somewhat accurate, but the crap that some of these posters are spewing is pure anectdotal or completely fabricated bullshit.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
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actually I do....
and I guess that any opinion typed up on Wikipedia is factual information now huh?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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> and I guess that any opinion typed up on Wikipedia is factual information now huh?
Scientology articles are pretty closely monitored, if you put some wacky opinion in there it won't last two minutes.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Members of the Church of Scientology widely deny or try to hide the Xenu story.
that is what I was referring to. he states it like it is some fact.
basically all the information that you think you know about scientology, is some second hand information that you got from someone who got a tiny peice of information and "extrapolated" a theory of how it fits into scientology. even the news media is grossly inaccurate when it discusses scientology.
Im not denying the xenu story... it is something that is taught as doctrine to high level scientologists... but it is the equivalent of the story of Job in the bible to christianity. it isnt the core of their beliefs, not even close...
as for the money thing.... my mother is OT 7, which is the second highest level a non sea org member can be. She did this while raising me on her own making 30k a year, and still managed to send me to college.... and just last year she became debt free... so go crunch some numbers and figure that one out.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Seuss, why do you have to sneak away to the dark corners of the shroomery to recycle lame anti-scieno arguments that I have personally debunked in other threads?
Sneak away to dark corners? Please. 
I've seen the $cientology cult ruin people that I care deeply about. It is personal for me.
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every single person that has posted a "fact" in this thread that rails againsdt scientology is grossly innacurate.
I stated that $cientology is a cult. Fact, they used to be listed on almost every known cult watch list. Unfortunately, their brainwashed membership sued the cult lists into bankruptcy, purchased the cult watch groups, or started their own cult watch groups. Although they are no longer listed, it is not because they are not a cult.
I stated that $cientology charges for "audits" and other activities necessary to be a member. Although the cult's web site states (paraphrased to avoid a copyright lawsuit) "it is free if you can't afford it", the truth is they are not interested in you if you do not have money. This is VERY easy to prove. Walk into any of the cult's $cientology Centers and play yourself as a completely broke person without anything at all that wants to join the 'church'. You will be quickly escorted to the door. Talk to anybody that is a member of the cult and ask them how much money they have 'given' over time. Those $2000 audits add up quickly.
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now, the news article was somewhat accurate, but the crap that some of these posters are spewing is pure anectdotal or completely fabricated bullshit.
Ok, what part of my above two claims is fabricated bullshit? The part that $cientology members sued the cult watch lists into bankruptcy, or the part that $cientology members have to pay large sums of money to progress into the cult?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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xenu aside scientology is still insane to join. Just look at this group of happy followers.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: funnybunny]
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Were all being brainwashed through. School. Media. Universitys. Work. Laws. Its crazy.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Cubie]
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That video is great. Those scientologists used every lame debate trick in the book - ad hominem attacks, changing the subject when he mentions anything they don't like, etc. I've never seen those tactics used in such a clumsy and obvious manor.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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every single person that has posted a "fact" in this thread that rails againsdt scientology is grossly innacurate.
I stated that $cientology is a cult. Fact, they used to be listed on almost every known cult watch list.
let me stop you right here. It is rather hilarious that you think there is some agency out there that objectively labels groups as cults, and therefor makes it so. The reason why those organizations were able to be sued into bankruptcy by scientology was because they were engaged in illegal and unethical activity such as spreading vast amounts of false information (libel and slander) as well as attempting to infiltrate and steal documents.... oh not to mention that they would capture scientology members and restrain them against there will, sometimes even sedating them all in the name of "deprogramming". but since you are so hung up on this term "cult", let me show you what the definition is according to Merriam-Webster. Cult 1: formal religious veneration : worship 2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults> 5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
By some of those definitions, could the shroomery be considered a cult? by one of those definitions, wouldnt that make any religious ceremony... "cultish"? an act of religious veneration.... kind of covers everything huh?
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I stated that $cientology charges for "audits" and other activities necessary to be a member.
and you would be wrong on that statement. also, what is considered "other activities"? you mean something like the way christians have retreats and go camping and everyone pays to go on the trip? what are these mysterious "other activities"? the book Dianetics teaches you how to audit yourself... so there goes that theory.
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Although the cult's web site states (paraphrased to avoid a copyright lawsuit) "it is free if you can't afford it", the truth is they are not interested in you if you do not have money.
that isnt the truth. I personally know many people who have received free scientology courses, books, and auditing.
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This is VERY easy to prove. Walk into any of the cult's $cientology Centers and play yourself as a completely broke person without anything at all that wants to join the 'church'. You will be quickly escorted to the door.
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Talk to anybody that is a member of the cult and ask them how much money they have 'given' over time. Those $2000 audits add up quickly.
so that is how much auditing costs? im curious of what you think you know. also... you say cost, while others would say donation. and how do you explain how my mother became OT7 while raising me, and putting me through college while making 30k a year?
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Ok, what part of my above two claims is fabricated bullshit? The part that $cientology members sued the cult watch lists into bankruptcy, or the part that $cientology members have to pay large sums of money to progress into the cult?
I think I just showed you that both were inaccurate, and that most of it is fabricated bullshit. see this is what I was talking about.... you get ahold of some tiny tidbit of information, and without any understanding of the religion or its practices, you conjure up these delusional theories in your head of how it works or what it means. I have no problem with anyone hating scientology. I dont even care if you want to openly protest it.... but do it from a knowledgable standpoint rather than spouting tired crap from websites solely designed to spread lies about scientology. Do you even know what auditing is? do you know anything about scientology other than what other people have told you?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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i've been into scientology buildings myself (granted, i myself, have been anti religion since the pre pubescent age)to see if this group had something that just wowed me. lol. naaaaaah. same wackyness as any other imo. but hopefully, tomorrow, ill have time in between deliveries to plop into a scientology building myself. ill let ya know how it goes
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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No one cares about your crazy belief system, save it for M&tP.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: fapjack]
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its not my belief system. I am not a scientologist.
I am just someone that knows a lot about it, as well as have lots of exposure to it and dont feel comfortable letting people spread ignorance about it.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Well I don't feel comfortable hearing you rant on about that crackpot belief system. It is based upon some asshole's get rich quick scheme, I mean seriously, how fucking gullible can you be?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: fapjack]
#7926742 - 01/24/08 09:12 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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did I start thsi thread? did I rant on about it?
all I did was reverse the bullshit that was being spread, i mean seriously, how much of a douchebag can you be?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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hahahahhahahahahahah arguing that $cientology isn't a devious cult. how rich!!!!!!!!
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: despisedicon]
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how is it a devious cult?
actually, if anyone is interested, or doesnt want to make the same mistake of all the other people I have pwned in discussion relating to scientology, go search for all the threads under my name about scientology. I lost count of how many threads there were, but each one of them eventually had to back peddle and admit that they were in fact completely ignorant on the subject.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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> or doesnt want to make the same mistake of all the other people I have pwned in discussion relating to scientology
Dude, you need help if you think you are pwning people with your $cientology debate skills. Just because a parent doesn't bother to argue with a child in the middle of a temper tantrum doesn't mean the child throwing the tantrum is pwning the parent. Instead, it shows the parent is smart enough not to waste time trying to talk to a child that isn't listening to reason. (I'm not claiming you are throwing a temper tantrum, just using it as an example.)
I've gotta run right now, but I will answer your previous post in a bit.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7928449 - 01/25/08 04:05 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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It is rather hilarious that you think there is some agency out there that objectively labels groups as cults, and therefor makes it so.
Sorry, but I will trust the experts over you or me. It wasn't just one list or group, but all of them that used to list $cientology as a cult. If the cult watch lists are so bad, then why does the $cientology "church" run several of them?
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The reason why those organizations were able to be sued into bankruptcy by $cientology was because they were engaged in illegal and unethical activity such as spreading vast amounts of false information (libel and slander) as well as attempting to infiltrate and steal documents.
No, the reason they were sued is because the $cientology members didn't like being called cult members. The cult members used the excuses you listed above, among others. Anybody can sue anybody. The $cientologists did not win the cases, but that didn't stop them from starting lawsuits, one member at a time, to drive the watch groups into bankruptcy. A few bigger organizations, such as The New York Times, were able to successfully withstand the barrage.
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oh not to mention that they would capture scientology members and restrain them against there will, sometimes even sedating them all in the name of "deprogramming".
Reality check... please post verifiable references that show cult watch lists were active in the kidnapping and deprogramming of any cult member, not just a $cintologist cult member. I'm not doubting that cult members, even $cientolgoists, are taken by deprogrammers from time to time. I just want to see evidence that the deprogrammers were owned and operated by the cult watch groups that were sued by the $cientology cult members.
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Cult 1: formal religious veneration : worship 2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults> 5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion
1: $cientology claims to be a religious group (The Church of Scientology) 2: $cientology has a system of religious beliefs and rituals (audit anybody?) 3: $cientology is regarded as unorthodox (worship the alien Xenu) 4: $cientology claim that Dianetics is all one needs to remain healthy 5: $cientology have a great devotion to some dork named L. Ron Hubbard
So, cult or not? By the definitions you posted, $cientology nails every single one as cult. Thanks for helping out here, saved me a lot of effort.
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By some of those definitions, could the shroomery be considered a cult?
Good question, let us see:
1: Shroomery doesn't claim to be a religious group. We are not tax exempt. 2: Shroomery doesn't have any regligious beliefs or rituals 3: Shroomery is not regarded as unorthodox 4: Shroomery makes no claims that mushrooms will heal disease 5: Shroomery doesn't have a great devotion towards any single individual
Nope, sorry, by the definitions you posted, the shroomery is not a cult.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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you mean something like the way christians have retreats and go camping and everyone pays to go on the trip? what are these mysterious "other activities"? the book Dianetics teaches you how to audit yourself... so there goes that theory.
Dude, look at their silly web site! Don't take my word for it, read their words! Or do you not trust the $cientologists?
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What about those who cannot afford to make donations for services?
There is a Free Scientology Center in Churches of Scientology where those who cannot afford to donate may receive auditing without donation. As described above, many Scientology services do not require donation, and Scientology scripture is available at local Churches of Scientology and libraries.
So, there is a cost, called a donation, associated with auditing that might be waived in some cases. However, my experience has been, if you have no money, they walk you to the door. Try it and see. Dress in old worn out clothes, go into a $cientology center and tell them how you have lost everything, completely broke, and somebody suggested $cientology to get your life turned around, and see what happens. When I did this, it was "thanks for stopping by, here is the exit."
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How much does it cost to go Clear?
The cost varies depending on which path one takes. One way is to donate for auditing and participate in auditing services all the way up to Clear. The preferred route, however, is to become trained as an auditor and co-audit with another Scientologist. The co-auditing route to Clear requires far less in donations than to only have auditing ministered to oneself, plus one helps another to progress spiritually. As auditing costs much more for the church to supply (requiring several staff for each parishioner) donations necessarily must be higher. Training is much more economical and an incentive for persons to receive training and then co-audit, without cost, to the state of Clear.
Required donations aren't donations, but charges for service.
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I personally know many people who have received free scientology courses, books, and auditing.
It won't last. Many cults seem nice and friendly on the surface, but once they hook you, the true nature of the beast becomes apparent. You personally know many people that haven't paid any money to the cult and get everything for free, eh? How many, exactly? One? Two? Zero?
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so that is how much auditing costs? im curious of what you think you know.
According to cult members that I have spoken with, auditing is part of a course and isn't charged for directly. Although I can't find any price lists on the cults web site, there are several groups that charge, I mean require donations, anywhere from $2000 to $32000 for various "training courses". For example: http://www.scientology-asho.org/registration_donationrates.htm
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I think I just showed you that both were inaccurate, and that most of it is fabricated bullshit.
Yep... I was soooo pwned.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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Oh god I hope YawningAnus don't pwn me!
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: PoisonedV]
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I hope xenu pwns yawninganus in his sleep for even remotely trying to defend scientology lol.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
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It is rather hilarious that you think there is some agency out there that objectively labels groups as cults, and therefor makes it so.
Sorry, but I will trust the experts over you or me. It wasn't just one list or group, but all of them that used to list $cientology as a cult. If the cult watch lists are so bad, then why does the $cientology "church" run several of them?
who are these experts? how does one become an expert on this subject? you are still hung up on this word cult, as if once somethign has been labelled so, it must be true. Every religion starts out as a "cult".... look it up... every single religioin has at one point been considered a cult. it is a subjective value.
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oh not to mention that they would capture scientology members and restrain them against there will, sometimes even sedating them all in the name of "deprogramming".
Reality check... please post verifiable references that show cult watch lists were active in the kidnapping and deprogramming of any cult member, not just a $cintologist cult member. I'm not doubting that cult members, even $cientolgoists, are taken by deprogrammers from time to time. I just want to see evidence that the deprogrammers were owned and operated by the cult watch groups that were sued by the $cientology cult members.
1 pwn coming right up.
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The deprogramming accounts vary a lot regarding the use of force, with the most dramatic accounts coming from deprogrammees who returned to the group.
Steven Hassan in his book Releasing the Bonds spoke decidedly against coercive deprogramming methods using force or threats.
The deprogramming case observed by Dubrow-Eichel did not include any violence.
Sociologist Eileen Barker wrote in Watching for Violence:
"Although deprogramming has become less violent in the course of time ... Numerous testimonies by those who were subjected to a deprogramming describe how they were threatened with a gun, beaten, denied sleep and food and/or sexually assaulted. But one does not have to rely on the victims for stories of violence: Ted Patrick, one of the most notorious deprogrammers used by CAGs (who has spent several terms in prison for his exploits) openly boasts about some of the violence he employed; in November 1987, Cyril Vosper, a Committee member of the British cult-awareness group, FAIR, was convicted in Munich of "causing bodily harm" in the course of one of his many deprogramming attempts; and a number of similar convictions are on record for prominent members of CAGs elsewhere." In Colombrito vs. Kelly, the Court accepted the definition of deprogramming by J. Le Moult published in 1978 in the Fordham Law Review:
"Deprogrammers are people who, at the request of a parent or other close relative, will have a member of a religious sect seized, then hold him against his will and subject him to mental, emotional, and even physical pressures until he renounces his religious beliefs. Deprogrammers usually work for a fee, which may easily run as high as $25,000. The deprogramming process begins with abduction. Often strong men muscle the subject into a car and take him to a place where he is cut from everyone but his captors. He may be held against his will for upward of three weeks. Frequently, however, the initial deprogramming only last a few days. The subject's sleep is limited and he is told that he will not be released until his beliefs meet his captors' approval. Members of the deprogramming group, as well as members of the family, come into the room where the victim is held and barrage him with questions and denunciations until he recants his newly found religion " Exit counselor Carol Giambalvo writes in From Deprogramming to Thought Reform Consultation
"It was believed that the hold of the brainwashing over the cognitive processes of a cult member needed to be broken – or "snapped" as some termed it – by means that would shock or frighten the cultist into thinking again. For that reason in some cases cult leader's pictures were burned or there were highly confrontational interactions between deprogrammers and cultist. What was often sought was an emotional response to the information, the shock, the fear, and the confrontation. There are horror stories – promoted most vehemently by the cults themselves – about restraint, beatings, and even rape. And we have to admit that we have met former members who have related to us their deprogramming experience – several of handcuffs, weapons wielded and sexual abuse. But thankfully, these are in the minority – and in our minds, never justified. Nevertheless, deprogramming helped to free many individuals held captive to destructive cults at a time when other alternatives did not seem viable. "
i mean, come on, that is just on wiki. these are testimonials, not opinions. I dont have much time since I am at work, but later tonight you will get a very long post and many more articles showing crimes from anti-cult organizatino members kidnapping people and such.
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Cult 1: formal religious veneration : worship 2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults> 5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion
1: $cientology claims to be a religious group (The Church of Scientology) 2: $cientology has a system of religious beliefs and rituals (audit anybody?) 3: $cientology is regarded as unorthodox (worship the alien Xenu) 4: $cientology claim that Dianetics is all one needs to remain healthy 5: $cientology have a great devotion to some dork named L. Ron Hubbard
you are right, I never said that scientology didnt fit the definition for cult.... but you failed to apply the same parameters to the shroomery. but I am trying to get it through your head that the label doesnt mean anything. It is like a 4 year old calling me a "doody head" and you are saying "OMG dude, the experts have called you a doody head, it must be leik, totally true".
I gotta go... but I will get back around to this post when I have time.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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YawningAnus said: but I am trying to get it through your head that the label doesnt mean anything. It is like a 4 year old calling me a "doody head" and you are saying "OMG dude, the experts have called you a doody head, it must be leik, totally true".
I gotta go... but I will get back around to this post when I have time.
Kind of like how you having limited experience with scientology you think you know everything about it?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: PoisonedV]
#7931012 - 01/25/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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test me.
you can ask me any question about what their beleifs are. Im not saying I know everything about scientology, but I know 10x more about it than anyone on this website. I used to live in clearwater, FL and had lots of friends that were sea org members... oh and my mother is OT7, but no longer practices. So... yeah, I am pretty fucking knowledgable on the subject. care to try and stump me?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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let me also add to all of this that I am not an advocate of scientology, nor am I neccessarily defending them. I just cant sit by and watch them get slandered on false information.
put it in context of you and mushrooms. You are ok with someone hating mushroom or drug use, but not if they are going to go aroudn saying "DUDE! anti-drug.org said shrooms make you gay and eat your brain! OMGZ".
Like I said before, im not a scientologist, and there are many things about the religion that I find deplorable, but that goes for every religion. there are lots of things I dont agree with about scientology... but nonetheless, it is a religion, and it should be given the respect as such. it is religious intolerance that irks me. how many scientologists have bothered you more than a jehovahs witness? how much have they personally intereferred in your life without you first initiating contact? i mean really, you want to make them out to be some ogre of a religion but what is it that they have done that is worse than rampant child molestation and then covering it up? worse than brahmans forcing widows onto funeral pyres? worse than all the wars caused in the name of the major religions deities?
oh i forgot, they sued people and corporations... that is way worse than allowing rampant molestation to go on for decades. oh and these organizations were attacking and suing scientology. it makes sense from the logic that is abundant in this thread... statements like, "I cant believe he is defending scientology". well there is a lose-lose... might as well have said "I cant believe he doesnt know we are completely right (eous)". "I cant believe scientology sued all those poor defensless organizations that attempted to bankrupt scientology through litigation.
ask yourself how much you know about scientology... seriously... how much do you really know? enough to hate them right? which is nothing... you dont need to know anything to hate... that is where it stems from - ignorance.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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tl;dr Nothing should get respect simply because it's a religion. I don't give a flying fuck if people fucking slander the fuck out of fucking scientology, because that fucking shits going to fucking happen if you are so goddamn fucking secretive about a bunch of fucking bullshit.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: PoisonedV]
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what is secretive about it?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
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i dont get what the hang up is on OT3?
there are 7 other OT levels, as well as shit tons of courses. Plenty of material out there to base an opinion off of.
also, OT3 is about self auditing. It takes people sometimes years to be done with it... so it isnt someone sitting on a couch telling you that you need more sessions, it is over when you come to a certain cognition.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Source: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=57816&postcount=1
Summarized Experiences From Within the Cult Scientology
1. Not allowed to see my mom but once a day when I was six. Was only permitted to see her at dinner for one hour.
2. My mom was made to work 12 hour days and was only paid $50.00 a week and given room and board.
3. I was made to live in a dorm at the age of six, separate from my mom or dad, with three other girls my age.
4. I was made to believe from a very early age that Scientologist were the better than other people, and if you were not in it, you were not good enough.
5. I was told to only tell my grandparents good things about myself when I visited, to not let on if I was behind in school, but just make them think I am a great student.
6. Scientologists constantly refers to people outside of their 'religion" as "Wogs". A derogatory term used commonly by members in it.
7. I was made to join staff when I was 14. I had to sign a billion year contract because of their beliefs in reincarnation.
8. I had to stop attending school when I was 14, to join staff. I could only attend school one day a week on Sunday for about 10 hours.
9. I was made to live in a two room apartment with seven other women when I was 14. Overcrowding is commonplace. I live like that for most of my seven years on staff.
10. I had 30 minute lunches, breakfasts and dinners. If I was late back to work I would get in trouble.
11. I was working 10 hour days, six days a week, from the age of 16. I was not getting paid overtime. I was only making $50.00 a week.
12. The only time I would have off, was every other week, if my production was good enough. Sometimes I would go a month without even one day off.
13. When I joined, I would not see my mom for days at a time. She lived in a different dorm than I did, and had a different eating schedule than me.
14. At the age of 15 I was made to stay up until 12 pm every Thursday and Friday to attend Scientology meetings and clean their facilities with all the other staff.
15. After Scientology events we were all assigned a number of books or tapes we were suppose to sell to the public. We had to make our quotas before we were allowed to go home. I started selling books when I was 15. Sometimes we had to call from lists we were given to make our quotas. Most of these lists were to Scientologist who were out of the state or out of the country.
16. The staff was not aloud to eat the nice food put out for public after events. It was only for the public, we would get in trouble if we were caught eating it.
17. The staff was not allowed to socialize with the public after events, only to sell books, we could not join them on the dance floor, or in the auditorium.
18. The Hacienda (apartment complex where the staff live) is set up so that staff can not just get up and leave when they want to. The Premises is surrounded by a large gate and bushes so that people cannot see in easily. There are several cameras around the complex to keep an eye on the staff. There is a security guard at the front gate at all times to let people in and out. Staff may not leave without first explaining where they are going and what they are doing to the security guard.
19. Sea Org staff are not allowed to own televisions, mine was confiscated when I was 14 or 15. Staff are not aloud to watch TV ever. Movies are only allowed on the weekend if you get approval to have time off. Movies are not allowed on weekdays.
20. Most staff do not have cars or cell phones because it costs to much money to own them. If you have a car, you have to check with the security guard if you want to leave, if he is suspicious he will not let you leave.
21. The only days staff are allowed to celebrate and dance together is the Christmas party and Beer and Cheese party. Twice a year. Don't ask, neither of these celebrations make much sense.
22. I was forced to cut all ties with my dad when I was 15. He was declared a Suppressive Person by Scientology, and that meant I could no longer talk or associate myself with him at all.
23. My mom died of cancer when I was 16. She was still on staff at the time, and she wrote in her will she wanted my brother and I assigned the guardians of Rusty and Linda Hilton, both on staff at Flag.
24. Once I joined staff I could no longer visit my relatives or grandparents for even a weekend without prior approval. At times my once a year request was denied for whatever reason, or no one had the time to look at it.
25. I was not allowed to socialize with anyone outside of the staff. If I did I was reported on and pulled in for questioning.
26. I was put on the e-meter once a week, along with all the other staff, to see if I had a clean or dirty needle. Clean meant I was OK, dirty meant I was hiding something. If it was dirty I was pulled in for questioning, and made to write up stuff I thought I was hiding
27. After each live success story we were suppose to stand up, clap, and say hip hip hooray three times to LRHs picture. This was daily. After each course completion in Scientology we had to tell everyone in our class our successes, once we were done we had to clap and say hip hooray to LRHs picture. His pictures are everywhere in their buildings. It was not optional you had to do it.
28. I had to get a divorce while I was in Scientology because my husband wanted out, and I did not. I was actually not told he was leaving until the day he left. He didn't even tell me, I was told by someone who knew him. It is against their rules to speak or mention to anyone in Scientology you are leaving staff. If you do, you can get kicked out and never be able to talk to your friends in it again.
29. When I finally decided I wanted to leave because I missed my ex husband too much, I was not allowed to just go. They made me work in the galley scrubbing pots and pans. They said I could not mention to anyone I wanted to leave, but everyone pretty much knew what I was doing. It took me three months of being separated from the group, all my friends, being put on the e-meter (lie detector) for two weeks straight and asked if I intend to contact my dad when I leave. I finally was aloud to leave, but was told I was moving to New Mexico to work for a Scientology school. I was told I could not return to Clearwater at all.
30. They made me sign a 10,000.00 waiver, promising that I would never talk out about my experiences with Scientology. I had to sign it before they would let me leave.
31. I was assigned handlers when I wanted to leave. I could not leave any of the buildings or walk outside without one of them. There are security guards assigned to each building, video cameras at each building entrance and exit, so if I wanted to leave without my handler, they would know.
32. I returned to Clearwater about a year after they sent me away. I was approached by one of their security guards and asked what I was doing here. I was on a public street on my lunch break. I just ignored him and walked away. They still thought they could control me, even though I was no longer on staff.
33. When my brother found out I was talking to my dad again, he refused to talk to me anymore. Now that I have associate myself with my dad, I am also declared, which means my brother can't talk to me.
34. Once I left, my "legal guardians' have never contacted me or spoke to me, even before I was declared.
35. I do not have one single friend I knew before I left Scientology (2002). They have all chosen to write me off because I no longer am a Sceintologist. Once I was declared, I was deleted from about 15 peoples myspace page. I did not delete them , they deleted me.
36. I am not allowed to talk to my Scientology school or teachers. They will also no longer talk to me. Once I left staff, they no longer thought it necessary to associate themselves with me.
37. I did not have a High School diploma when I left in 2002. I was 20 years old. Once I was married, they said I was now considered an adult and I no longer needed to attend school. I was only 17 when I married.
38. I never learned to drive, I now have a car, but driving was something they did not think was necessary.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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1) I think you omitted the part about how this was a person in the Sea Org, which are people that work for scientology.... this half fabricated list isnt talking about an experience as a member of the church. 2) half of that stuff is true, maybe later when I have time I will line item it.... but it seems to me that the original posting of that quoted post has been altered to make it sound worse.. such as times, payment and such.... 3) taken out of context of what the sea org is, or how it operates, it makes it seem worse than it is. believe me, I pity anyone working in the sea org... but I pity anyone in the military as well, and that is what the sea org was designed after. notice the similarities? going AWOL... dishonorable discharge... just different words for the same thing.
Life in the Sea Org really is hardly any different than life in a military school or even the military.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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> Life in the Sea Org really is hardly any different than life in a military school or even the military.
I guess the Sea Org sucks pretty bad then.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7933747 - 01/26/08 04:59 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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www.xenu.net
For anybody who wants to know what Scientology is really all about.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
#7933778 - 01/26/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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yeah, because places like xenu.net are so credible what with their MTVesque promos and hollywood insider gossip... ever thought that Tom Cruise is a fucking Red Herring?
oh wait.... that makes sense with that huge scientology conspiracy thing.... oh I get it.... Im the fucking joke. Yes you reading this.... you are the punchline.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7933790 - 01/26/08 06:17 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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YawningAnus said: yeah, because places like xenu.net are so credible what with their MTVesque promos and hollywood insider gossip... ever thought that Tom Cruise is a fucking Red Herring?
oh wait.... that makes sense with that huge scientology conspiracy thing.... oh I get it.... Im the fucking joke. Yes you reading this.... you are the punchline.
Whatever man. The CoS is an evil, corrupt organization and anybody that believes its tenants is stupid and weak minded...period. The "church" exists solely to extort money from its followers. Any church that requires people to "donate" money to be a member is no real church. L. Ron Hubbard himself said that the easiest way to make money is to make up a religion.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
#7934026 - 01/26/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Whatever man. The CoS is an evil, corrupt organization and anybody that believes its tenants is stupid and weak minded...period. The "church" exists solely to extort money from its followers. Any church that requires people to "donate" money to be a member is no real church. L. Ron Hubbard himself said that the easiest way to make money is to make up a religion.
whatever man. nothing you posted has any factual basis whatsoever. so there doody head.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7934126 - 01/26/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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YawningAnus said: whatever man. nothing you posted has any factual basis whatsoever. so there doody head.
You sure pwned me. LOL
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
#7934187 - 01/26/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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as for this heaping pile of crap.
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you mean something like the way christians have retreats and go camping and everyone pays to go on the trip? what are these mysterious "other activities"? the book Dianetics teaches you how to audit yourself... so there goes that theory.
Dude, look at their silly web site! Don't take my word for it, read their words! Or do you not trust the $cientologists?
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What about those who cannot afford to make donations for services?
There is a Free Scientology Center in Churches of Scientology where those who cannot afford to donate may receive auditing without donation. As described above, many Scientology services do not require donation, and Scientology scripture is available at local Churches of Scientology and libraries.
So, there is a cost, called a donation, associated with auditing that might be waived in some cases. However, my experience has been, if you have no money, they walk you to the door. Try it and see. Dress in old worn out clothes, go into a $cientology center and tell them how you have lost everything, completely broke, and somebody suggested $cientology to get your life turned around, and see what happens. When I did this, it was "thanks for stopping by, here is the exit."
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How much does it cost to go Clear?
The cost varies depending on which path one takes. One way is to donate for auditing and participate in auditing services all the way up to Clear. The preferred route, however, is to become trained as an auditor and co-audit with another Scientologist. The co-auditing route to Clear requires far less in donations than to only have auditing ministered to oneself, plus one helps another to progress spiritually. As auditing costs much more for the church to supply (requiring several staff for each parishioner) donations necessarily must be higher. Training is much more economical and an incentive for persons to receive training and then co-audit, without cost, to the state of Clear.
Required donations aren't donations, but charges for service.
ok, I really dont know what it is you are trying to prove here. beyond speculation and conjecture.... yeah. Scientology charges people money for services rendered. and? I dont get what the "evil" act is here?
see this is why these "tidbits" of information lead to ridiculous bullshit. You dont even know what half of the words you quoted meant. all you are doing is running back to bullshit producing websites and copying and pasting tired shit. you honeslty dont even know what auditing is... nor do you know how that even fits into the scientology religion. you are like a patient walking into a doctors office mumbling "hyperthyroidism!" and "thrombosis!".
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It won't last. Many cults seem nice and friendly on the surface, but once they hook you, the true nature of the beast becomes apparent. You personally know many people that haven't paid any money to the cult and get everything for free, eh? How many, exactly? One? Two? Zero?
havent we been through this story before? the one where a guy i know that was a crack addict, that stole 300 dollars from me, went to narconon and didnt have to pay for anything... not at all for the three weeks he was there. there are plenty of stories... what do you care? why believe me? its obvious you want to hate it, but you dont quite have enough knowledge about it.
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so that is how much auditing costs? im curious of what you think you know.
According to cult members that I have spoken with, auditing is part of a course and isn't charged for directly. Although I can't find any price lists on the cults web site, there are several groups that charge, I mean require donations, anywhere from $2000 to $32000 for various "training courses". For example:
why dont you go figure out what auditing is before you try to say "LEIK OMG!!! IT COSTS MONEY!!! CASE CLOSED".
I dont get how that is the "ha! gotcha!". no shit. they charge money.
are they robbing people at gunpoint? I got it... seriously. You dislike the fact that people pay money to scientology to make their lives better. I got no problem with that. I dislike that. but it is what everyone does. take a 360 of your room and see what you paid for to make your life better? did that Fresh Prince alarm clock really make your life better? no but it was a risk you were willing to take.
you think that any minor infraction by scientology goes unnoticed? dont you think that even after the CIA, and hundreds of other government (and non government) affiliated agencies infiltrated scientology... if there was something there, they could have taken them down? all these people, just like yourself... good people... salt of the earth... that "have their eyes" on that lousy, greedy, sneaky, evil organization called CoS... havent been able to find that person that keeps knocking over handicapped people and stealing all their money?
i mean, the majority of america thinks scientology is laughable bullshit... and maybe they are right... who cares? but name one thing that could span every headline across the globe? a scientology scandal! if the evil, deep dark secret was out there, you would know about it im sure. think about how much that would be worth? evidence that could prove just how evil and sinister the CoS is....
dont you see, at some point you have to step back and laugh at yourself, because what you are participating in has the exact same paramaters as conspiracy theories. dont you see that while you spend your time laughing at people for their religious beliefs and affiliations... you are laughing at yourself. so now who is more laughable... the person that believes in Xenu, or the person that believe people believe in Xenu?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
#7934188 - 01/26/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology's name for a project during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history with up to 5,000 covert agents.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: funnybunny]
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: funnybunny]
#7937177 - 01/26/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Yes charging people thousands and thousands of dollars in order to take bullshit audit courses and to learn the secrets of the cult is evil. It proves that the whole organization is all about money. Go to any real church in the country and you can get all the help and learn anything about the religion that you want for FREE. Those people are actually interested in helping people, even if they have no money.
IMO brainwashing people to think that Scientology is the only way to be happy (for a nominal fee of course)is worse than robbing someone at gunpoint. At least if you rob somebody by gunpoint, you are just taking their money. Scientology robs people of their money, minds and souls.
I have lost several people that were close to me to Scientology, I feel that I have a right to speak on this.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
#7937305 - 01/26/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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what is an audit course?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7937377 - 01/26/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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From my understanding it is a one-on-one session with a Scientology counselor or "auditor." During the session, you are hooked up to an E-meter, some sort of device that measures and interprets minute electrical signals in your body. The auditor asks you all sorts of question about your past specifically about traumatic events and bad decisions. After the auditing, you are further brainwashed as to why you need the CoS in order to be happy and achieve your goals.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
#7937820 - 01/26/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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dtugg said: From my understanding it is a one-on-one session with a Scientology counselor or "auditor." During the session, you are hooked up to an E-meter, some sort of device that measures and interprets minute electrical signals in your body. The auditor asks you all sorts of question about your past specifically about traumatic events and bad decisions. After the auditing, you are further brainwashed as to why you need the CoS in order to be happy and achieve your goals.
I heard somewhere that e-meters can be manipulated by tightening your grip.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: THEBats]
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Basically most meters to gauge anything- lying or whatever, are grossly inaccurate.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7939137 - 01/27/08 05:26 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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L. Ron. Hubbard wrote the following when he invented the Church of Scientolgy policy known as Fair Game:
The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty...
...this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends.
They may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
Meaning that for simply speaking out out against the church, the church can follow and scare the shit out of, and even INJURE your mother, sister, friends, and anyone else who knows you in an effort to force you to stop speaking the truth as you know it.
That's fucked up. And anyone who defends an organization like that sucks.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
#7943443 - 01/28/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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They may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
that is dealing with someone declared to have the condition of enemy. Within "Fair game" which I am almost positive is no longer used, people are characterized/labelled by a certain level of threat.
nice try on paraphrasing it though to make it seem like they would ask you to injure your family.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7943521 - 01/28/08 12:20 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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nice try on paraphrasing it though to make it seem like...
Alright. Would you quote the Fair Game policy for us verbatim, please?
I'm referring specifically to the Fair Game policy codified by L. Ron Hubbard in "HCOPL 18 October 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions" which delineates how cult members are to treat those declared "Suppressive Persons" by the cult.
Provide a verbatim quotation please, so we can set the record straight.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
#7946034 - 01/28/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I dont have that verbatim. it is 40 years old.
and im not denying that "Fair Game" existed.... like I said before, im not here to defend scientology, just set the record straight regarding misinformation and delusional specualtion. you have to understand that scientology almost has its own language. where most of the words that they use are normal english words as well, they have a different meaning, especially in blocks of phrases.
just the phrase "condition of enemy" doesnt mean what you think it means. It relates to a scale of severity of transgressions against the church. It isnt just fluffy language to mean that someone is an enemy. Im not sure if you are aware about the Scientology Tone scale, but it is a lot like that. where they will call someone a 1.1 (one one), it means a passive aggressive "mood". so due to its complexity, things can be taken out of context very easily.
also, I think there have been many "press releases" and statements that talk about it being stopped in 68.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7946305 - 01/28/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I dont have that verbatim. it is 40 years old.
Translation: My assertion that Diploid paraphrased to misrepresent the truth is a giant pile of bullshit.
im not here to defend scientology, just set the record straight
Lemme help you.
L. Ron Hubbard said in "HCOPL 18 October 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions" the following verbatim:
..."Fair Game", described as follows: "May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologists. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
I think there have been many "press releases" and statements that talk about it being stopped in 68.
Fair Game was publicly recanted, but Hubbard made it expressly clear that the recanting was for the purpose of improving public relations and that the Fair Game policy is to be kept in force, but not discussed outside the cult:
Again, L. Ron Hubbard verbatim:
"The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."
SP means Suppressive Person who is to be treated and physically injured (including friends and family members) with the Fair Game policy.
That should help set the record straight.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
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in the link that you gave, you paraphrased it... or sorry, omitted a paragraph that preceded one you later quoted.
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The policy was further extended in an October 1967 Policy Letter (HCOPL 18 Oct 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions), where Hubbard defined the "penalties" for an individual deemed to be in a "Condition of Enemy":
ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed
so yes, you did take it out of context. If you want to get into semantics on this one, then yes, you partly quoted Hubbard verbatim... but then again, i could be said to quote someone verbatim if they said "Imagine a world where I beat children, how deplorable that would be" and quoting him as saying "I beat children". it is paraphrasing... plain and simple. you took it out of context.
also, do you have a source where Hubbard stated that Fair game would be publicly recanted, but still in use?
like I said before, there are different levels of SP's... so therefor, one in a condition of enemy is different than an Sp rated as a 1.1 (passive aggressive).
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7946432 - 01/28/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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oh also... im just curious if there are any stories of people that were physically injured due to a fair game policy... or just in general by any person working for Scientology.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7946501 - 01/28/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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If you want to get into semantics
This kind of rebuttal is characteristic of someone who knows they're in the wrong and is grasping at anything left over. Nit picking on details and semantics instead of accepting the beef of the matter which makes it clear that the cult, at the very least, were once a bunch of violent thugs who beat up people and their friends and families who said things the cult didn't like.
This is kinda like Muslims do to cartoonists and writers today, only the cult did it without explosives. Religious freaks are the same the world over.
And from all evidence, they're still doing this today as evidenced by the death threats, and stalkings of reporters who dare to publish anything negative about the cult. The difference is that today the cult is more sensitive to the negative impact of bad public relations.
do you have a source where Hubbard stated that Fair game would be publicly recanted, but still in use?
The quotations I provided come from an original document stolen from the cult that I scanned and OCRed. If you REALLY think I'm a liar, PM me and I'll hook you up with my FTP server where you can download a copy of the OCRed document copyright "Commodore L. Ron Hubbard" that the above quotes came from.
Dude, take a step back for a minute. Imagine someone defending a Muslim imam who called for violence against a cartoonist using your same arguments. Really, break out of the box and look at your comments in that light for a second and really see how fanatical your words look to a neutral observer.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
#7946563 - 01/28/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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ah, so now we move to ad hominems?
and do you have any proof that scientology has ever been involved in causign bodily harm to someone? evidence.... evidenced by what? how are they getting aweay with beating people up, and making death threats? soudns rather delusional and sensational to me.
also... documents that have been stolen are rather dubious. Im not saying that they have been changed, but you would never know. shit, you dont even really know if that document was even stolen.
There are plenty of people out there that have no problem fabricating documents as well as posting things as fact that are not only insanely ridiculous, but obviously false. I recall one "legitimate" newspaper claiming that orgies and child molestation occured at the top floor of the Fort Harrison on a wekly basis.
but lets say that Hubbard did keep his fingers crossed when he recanted.... where is the evidence through action that they injure people?
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7946670 - 01/28/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Oh gawd. So now journalists who report receiving death threats and being followed around and who produce videos of this insanity are liars too.
But the cult? They're just a bunch of saints who would never threaten, scare, stalk, or hurt anyone as their Grand Poobah told them to do in writing. Riiigghhttt!
Well, I don't have the energy for this. You win.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
#7946686 - 01/28/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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im not trying to "win" here.
You just give up once I ask you for any type of proof of your inferences? all speculation aside, lets say that yes, fair game is still in effect, even the part about bodily harm.... where is the proof for that? where are these videos from journalists being followed? i am seriously curious about that part. i want to see those videos.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Chemy]
#7947026 - 01/28/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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and lets not forget their security guards.
on a funny note.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: THEBats]
#7947154 - 01/28/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I cant watch them right now since the computer at work here streams video at a horrible pace and makes it all jittery.... but thanks for posting it. I will check them both out.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7947329 - 01/28/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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YawningAnus said: I cant watch them right now since the computer at work here streams video at a horrible pace and makes it all jittery.... but thanks for posting it. I will check them both out.
yea the first one provides sources at the end. As far as the guards really it's nothing new...just creepy.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: THEBats]
#7949604 - 01/29/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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THEBats said:
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YawningAnus said: I cant watch them right now since the computer at work here streams video at a horrible pace and makes it all jittery.... but thanks for posting it. I will check them both out.
yea the first one provides sources at the end. As far as the guards really it's nothing new...just creepy.
Scare tactis, haha oh wow.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: PoisonedV]
#7958999 - 01/31/08 02:18 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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oh jeez... sorry, I hadnt been able to watch the videos posted until now. same tired crap.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7180390#7180390
in that link I quote something from wiki, unedited except for making a paragraph bold... a paragraph that states the judge verbatim saying that the evidence shows contrary to what prosecution was claiming.
I admit that I have no comment for anything in that video past the lisa mcpherson part, but the first half of that video has very few facts in it, and only those few because they supported their case. It is so biased I had to giggle at times.
"Mr X demanded his money back and died from an accident the next day"
great journalism there.
the only other part that was accurate about that video was operation snow white. which is really interesting
here are some more threads about this topic. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6921869#6921869
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3700326/page/0/fpart/11/vc/1 even older. also, someone signed up for the shroomery for the sole purpose of attacking scientology in this thread. That thread is almost 3 years old and the guy has 4 posts.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7959194 - 01/31/08 05:43 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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YawningAnus said: oh jeez... sorry, I hadnt been able to watch the videos posted until now. same tired crap.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7180390#7180390
in that link I quote something from wiki, unedited except for making a paragraph bold... a paragraph that states the judge verbatim saying that the evidence shows contrary to what prosecution was claiming.
I admit that I have no comment for anything in that video past the lisa mcpherson part, but the first half of that video has very few facts in it, and only those few because they supported their case. It is so biased I had to giggle at times.
"Mr X demanded his money back and died from an accident the next day"
great journalism there.
the only other part that was accurate about that video was operation snow white. which is really interesting
here are some more threads about this topic. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6921869#6921869
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3700326/page/0/fpart/11/vc/1 even older. also, someone signed up for the shroomery for the sole purpose of attacking scientology in this thread. That thread is almost 3 years old and the guy has 4 posts.
I understand it may not contain all facts. But also understand wiki can be edited by anyone including the church itself which I believe has been caught editing articles critical of scientolgy. But so has the vatican so whatever.
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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Magicius]
#7960106 - 01/31/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Personally, I thin, MArtin Barnes is a crackwhoreboy.
I LOVED the movie BATTLEFIELD earth. I've had crystal METH problems; exactly because the court case could not be dropped has agitated me to the point of continuing the habit - if I was just left alone and allowed to move on I would not still be using the *SHIT*...
MARTIN BARNES is a fucking asshole, I havent read any of your responses.
wtf?
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