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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
    #7933778 - 01/26/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

yeah, because places like xenu.net are so credible what with their MTVesque promos and hollywood insider gossip...
ever thought that Tom Cruise is a fucking Red Herring?

oh wait.... that makes sense with that huge scientology conspiracy thing....
oh I get it.... Im the fucking joke. Yes you reading this.... you are the punchline.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7933790 - 01/26/08 06:17 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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yeah, because places like xenu.net are so credible what with their MTVesque promos and hollywood insider gossip...
ever thought that Tom Cruise is a fucking Red Herring?

oh wait.... that makes sense with that huge scientology conspiracy thing....
oh I get it.... Im the fucking joke. Yes you reading this.... you are the punchline.




Whatever man. The CoS is an evil, corrupt organization and anybody that believes its tenants is stupid and weak minded...period. The "church" exists solely to extort money from its followers. Any church that requires people to "donate" money to be a member is no real church. L. Ron Hubbard himself said that the easiest way to make money is to make up a religion.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
    #7934026 - 01/26/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Whatever man. The CoS is an evil, corrupt organization and anybody that believes its tenants is stupid and weak minded...period. The "church" exists solely to extort money from its followers. Any church that requires people to "donate" money to be a member is no real church. L. Ron Hubbard himself said that the easiest way to make money is to make up a religion.




whatever man. nothing you posted has any factual basis whatsoever.
so there doody head.:mad:


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7934093 - 01/26/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7934126 - 01/26/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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whatever man. nothing you posted has any factual basis whatsoever.
so there doody head.:mad:




You sure pwned me. LOL


Edited by dtugg (01/26/08 09:29 AM)


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Seuss]
    #7934187 - 01/26/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

as for this heaping pile of crap.

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you mean something like the way christians have retreats and go camping and everyone pays to go on the trip? what are these mysterious "other activities"? the book Dianetics teaches you how to audit yourself... so there goes that theory.




Dude, look at their silly web site! Don't take my word for it, read their words! Or do you not trust the $cientologists?

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What about those who cannot afford to make donations for services?

There is a Free Scientology Center in Churches of Scientology where those who cannot afford to donate may receive auditing without donation. As described above, many Scientology services do not require donation, and Scientology scripture is available at local Churches of Scientology and libraries.




So, there is a cost, called a donation, associated with auditing that might be waived in some cases. However, my experience has been, if you have no money, they walk you to the door. Try it and see. Dress in old worn out clothes, go into a $cientology center and tell them how you have lost everything, completely broke, and somebody suggested $cientology to get your life turned around, and see what happens. When I did this, it was "thanks for stopping by, here is the exit."


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How much does it cost to go Clear?

The cost varies depending on which path one takes. One way is to donate for auditing and participate in auditing services all the way up to Clear. The preferred route, however, is to become trained as an auditor and co-audit with another Scientologist. The co-auditing route to Clear requires far less in donations than to only have auditing ministered to oneself, plus one helps another to progress spiritually. As auditing costs much more for the church to supply (requiring several staff for each parishioner) donations necessarily must be higher. Training is much more economical and an incentive for persons to receive training and then co-audit, without cost, to the state of Clear.




Required donations aren't donations, but charges for service.









ok, I really dont know what it is you are trying to prove here. beyond speculation and conjecture.... yeah. Scientology charges people money for services rendered.
and?
I dont get what the "evil" act is here?

see this is why these "tidbits" of information lead to ridiculous bullshit. You dont even know what half of the words you quoted meant. all you are doing is running back to bullshit producing websites and copying and pasting tired shit.
you honeslty dont even know what auditing is... nor do you know how that even fits into the scientology religion.
you are like a patient walking into a doctors office mumbling "hyperthyroidism!" and "thrombosis!".


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It won't last. Many cults seem nice and friendly on the surface, but once they hook you, the true nature of the beast becomes apparent. You personally know many people that haven't paid any money to the cult and get everything for free, eh? How many, exactly? One? Two? Zero?




havent we been through this story before? the one where a guy i know that was a crack addict, that stole 300 dollars from me, went to narconon and didnt have to pay for anything... not at all for the three weeks he was there.
there are plenty of stories... what do you care? why believe me?
its obvious you want to hate it, but you dont quite have enough knowledge about it.

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so that is how much auditing costs? im curious of what you think you know.




According to cult members that I have spoken with, auditing is part of a course and isn't charged for directly. Although I can't find any price lists on the cults web site, there are several groups that charge, I mean require donations, anywhere from $2000 to $32000 for various "training courses". For example:






why dont you go figure out what auditing is before you try to say "LEIK OMG!!! IT COSTS MONEY!!! CASE CLOSED".

I dont get how that is the "ha! gotcha!". no shit. they charge money.

are they robbing people at gunpoint?
I got it... seriously. You dislike the fact that people pay money to scientology to make their lives better. I got no problem with that. I dislike that.
but it is what everyone does. take a 360 of your room and see what you paid for to make your life better?
did that Fresh Prince alarm clock really make your life better? no but it was a risk you were willing to take.

you think that any minor infraction by scientology goes unnoticed? dont you think that even after the CIA, and hundreds of other government (and non government) affiliated agencies infiltrated scientology... if there was something there, they could have taken them down?
all these people, just like yourself... good people... salt of the earth... that "have their eyes" on that lousy, greedy, sneaky, evil organization called CoS... havent been able to find that person that keeps knocking over handicapped people and stealing all their money?

i mean, the majority of america thinks scientology is laughable bullshit... and maybe they are right... who cares? but name one thing that could span every headline across the globe?
a scientology scandal!
if the evil, deep dark secret was out there, you would know about it im sure.
think about how much that would be worth? evidence that could prove just how evil and sinister the CoS is....

dont you see, at some point you have to step back and laugh at yourself, because what you are participating in has the exact same paramaters as conspiracy theories.
dont you see that while you spend your time laughing at people for their religious beliefs and affiliations... you are laughing at yourself.
so now who is more laughable... the person that believes in Xenu, or the person that believe people believe in Xenu?


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
    #7934188 - 01/26/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology's name for a project during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history with up to 5,000 covert agents.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: funnybunny]
    #7934400 - 01/26/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: funnybunny]
    #7937177 - 01/26/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Yes charging people thousands and thousands of dollars in order to take bullshit audit courses and to learn the secrets of the cult is evil. It proves that the whole organization is all about money. Go to any real church in the country and you can get all the help and learn anything about the religion that you want for FREE. Those people are actually interested in helping people, even if they have no money.

IMO brainwashing people to think that Scientology is the only way to be happy (for a nominal fee of course)is worse than robbing someone at gunpoint. At least if you rob somebody by gunpoint, you are just taking their money. Scientology robs people of their money, minds and souls.

I have lost several people that were close to me to Scientology, I feel that I have a right to speak on this.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
    #7937305 - 01/26/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

what is an audit course?


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7937377 - 01/26/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

From my understanding it is a one-on-one session with a Scientology counselor or "auditor." During the session, you are hooked up to an E-meter, some sort of device that measures and interprets minute electrical signals in your body. The auditor asks you all sorts of question about your past specifically about traumatic events and bad decisions. After the auditing, you are further brainwashed as to why you need the CoS in order to be happy and achieve your goals.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: dtugg]
    #7937820 - 01/26/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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From my understanding it is a one-on-one session with a Scientology counselor or "auditor." During the session, you are hooked up to an E-meter, some sort of device that measures and interprets minute electrical signals in your body. The auditor asks you all sorts of question about your past specifically about traumatic events and bad decisions. After the auditing, you are further brainwashed as to why you need the CoS in order to be happy and achieve your goals.




I heard somewhere that e-meters can be manipulated by tightening your grip.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: THEBats]
    #7938205 - 01/26/08 11:15 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Basically most meters to gauge anything- lying or whatever, are grossly inaccurate.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7939137 - 01/27/08 05:26 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

L. Ron. Hubbard wrote the following when he invented the Church of Scientolgy policy known as Fair Game:

The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty...

...this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends.

They may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


Meaning that for simply speaking out out against the church, the church can follow and scare the shit out of, and even INJURE your mother, sister, friends, and anyone else who knows you in an effort to force you to stop speaking the truth as you know it.

That's fucked up. And anyone who defends an organization like that sucks. :nono:


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
    #7943443 - 01/28/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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They may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.




that is dealing with someone declared to have the condition of enemy. Within "Fair game" which I am almost positive is no longer used, people are characterized/labelled by a certain level of threat.

nice try on paraphrasing it though to make it seem like they would ask you to injure your family.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7943521 - 01/28/08 12:20 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

nice try on paraphrasing it though to make it seem like...

Alright. Would you quote the Fair Game policy for us verbatim, please?

I'm referring specifically to the Fair Game policy codified by L. Ron Hubbard in "HCOPL 18 October 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions" which delineates how cult members are to treat those declared "Suppressive Persons" by the cult.

Provide a verbatim quotation please, so we can set the record straight.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
    #7946034 - 01/28/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I dont have that verbatim. it is 40 years old.

and im not denying that "Fair Game" existed.... like I said before, im not here to defend scientology, just set the record straight regarding misinformation and delusional specualtion.
you have to understand that scientology almost has its own language. where most of the words that they use are normal english words as well, they have a different meaning, especially in blocks of phrases.

just the phrase "condition of enemy" doesnt mean what you think it means. It relates to a scale of severity of transgressions against the church. It isnt just fluffy language to mean that someone is an enemy.
Im not sure if you are aware about the Scientology Tone scale, but it is a lot like that. where they will call someone a 1.1 (one one), it means a passive aggressive "mood". so due to its complexity, things can be taken out of context very easily.

also, I think there have been many "press releases" and statements that talk about it being stopped in 68.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7946305 - 01/28/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I dont have that verbatim. it is 40 years old.

Translation: My assertion that Diploid paraphrased to misrepresent the truth is a giant pile of bullshit.

im not here to defend scientology, just set the record straight

Lemme help you.

L. Ron Hubbard said in "HCOPL 18 October 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions" the following verbatim:

..."Fair Game", described as follows: "May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologists. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

I think there have been many "press releases" and statements that talk about it being stopped in 68.

Fair Game was publicly recanted, but Hubbard made it expressly clear that the recanting was for the purpose of improving public relations and that the Fair Game policy is to be kept in force, but not discussed outside the cult:

Again, L. Ron Hubbard verbatim:

"The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."

SP means Suppressive Person who is to be treated and physically injured (including friends and family members) with the Fair Game policy.

That should help set the record straight.


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: Diploid]
    #7946407 - 01/28/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

in the link that you gave, you paraphrased it... or sorry, omitted a paragraph that preceded one you later quoted.

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The policy was further extended in an October 1967 Policy Letter (HCOPL 18 Oct 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions), where Hubbard defined the "penalties" for an individual deemed to be in a "Condition of Enemy":

ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed





so yes, you did take it out of context. If you want to get into semantics on this one, then yes, you partly quoted Hubbard verbatim... but then again, i could be said to quote someone verbatim if they said "Imagine a world where I beat children, how deplorable that would be" and quoting him as saying "I beat children".
it is paraphrasing... plain and simple. you took it out of context.

also, do you have a source where Hubbard stated that Fair game would be publicly recanted, but still in use?

like I said before, there are different levels of SP's... so therefor, one in a condition of enemy is different than an Sp rated as a 1.1 (passive aggressive).


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Re: Scientologists enlist police to push antidrugs drive in school [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7946432 - 01/28/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

oh also... im just curious if there are any stories of people that were physically injured due to a fair game policy... or just in general by any person working for Scientology.


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