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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7923138 - 01/24/08 05:18 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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You missed my point. Unless you understand the meaning of "rights" you can't rebut my post. What you have posted does not relate to what I said.




Well I think I just explained that the meaning of "rights" can vary.

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I think that it is a tragedy that the Red Pandas have to live in such an imperfect world as ours. So, lets hunt them to extinction.




Who said anything about an imperfect world?
How can you really tell that it is not good for red pandas to be around humans?
We inhabit the same planet, I think this should be a good starting point in thinking that maybe we are not so incompatible with them.
I am really trying to understand where you are getting at, is it that you think that the idea of having pets in general is wrong? If it is, why so?


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7923156 - 01/24/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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You missed my point. Unless you understand the meaning of "rights" you can't rebut my post. What you have posted does not relate to what I said.




Are you seriously approaching this discussion, or what? Your last post was ages ago and you aren't presenting a very clear perspective on what it is you are responding to and referring to. What idea is it you are trying to convey, exactly?

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I think that it is a tragedy that the Red Pandas have to live in such an imperfect world as ours. So, lets hunt them to extinction.




You are either being pointlessly sarcastic, or so blatantly ignorant of the discussion that is taking place that it is disappointing. No one is proposing anything near this, and the fact that you would try to propose this in such a manner is pretty dubious. If you have nothing relevant to the discussion at hand to present, why waste your time with something like this? :shrug:


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7923499 - 01/24/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

not some kind of vicious neglect and irrelevant situations that you continue to present. :lol:

This is the often what happens to our pets. And it doesn't have to be vicious to be debilitating to animals that are basically instinctual. When you can insure an enlightened humanity capable a high ethical code that is consistent then we can revisit this subject. Until then it just seems like you want a new pet no matter how it turns out for the rest.

Do you feel it is more preferable for a human to be conscious and cultured, or feral and driven by instinct? Which one produces awareness and understanding of the nature of reality? Why do you have reservations agansit other species becoming more conscious, or, at the very least, living in a new environment and sharing a symbiotic relationship with humans?


Considering the current state of humanity one could make a good case for instinctual living as a more harmonious state of existance. And thank you for knowing which animals know the "nature of reality". :lol::monkeydance: I would certainly beg to differ here.

or, at the very least, living in a new environment and sharing a symbiotic relationship with humans?


Back to my first statement. When mankind can show respect for mankind then we might consider looking into including the rest of the animal kingdom with out the harm we have been doing to animals so often for our known history. :frown:


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Icelander]
    #7923956 - 01/24/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Maybe we're just highly qualified at giving them pets Stockholm syndrome, that would at least be consistent with the way we treat our fellow humans.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: deimya]
    #7923967 - 01/24/08 12:12 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

This would mean that ALL the pets feel their life threatened around humans. And this is an over generalization.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: deimya]
    #7923983 - 01/24/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

If we make these things our pets we'll have snottly little brat children harassing the living shit out of them until we may possibly see some blood and gore. But this already happens with dogs and cats, so why not? Just cus it's a bear don't make them any more significant than a cat. But thats just my opinion. Should we throw our right away to keep cats and dogs as pets too?

Hell, human beings keep human beings as pets too. Lets stop having children!


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Icelander]
    #7923991 - 01/24/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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This is the often what happens to our pets. And it doesn't have to be vicious to be debilitating to animals that are basically instinctual. When you can insure an enlightened humanity capable a high ethical code that is consistent then we can revisit this subject.




Perhaps I did not clarify enough on exactly what was being proposed. To start off with, I understand your concerns, as expressed through your strawmen (:smirk:), but I was asserting that I was honestly not allowing for this because, as what we are proposing does not allow for these situations to happen. :wink:

The situation regarding red pandas is such that they endangered in the wild, existing primarily in China, Nepal, and India, with some known in Laos and Mynamar. What is left of their habitat is facing fragmentation. They have very specific needs that requires a certain amount of habitat to exist, as their dietary needs are very specific due to their digestive system, which limits the amount of energy they can receive from bamboo, but they require a certain amount of habitat in order to thrive. Their habitat is already lessened to the point that they face extinction, and it probably isn't going to get better soon.

There is a Species Survival Plan that maintains zoo populations, which is probably a few hundred. They keep track of the lineage of these red pandas and ensure proper maintenance of their genetics. I wouldn't expect the numbers of this population to grow too signfigantly, and we're talking about populations being kept in zoos...

Our interest is in learning more about red pandas by specializing in them as an animal. There is potential merit in using red pandas in psychological therapy for humans, as they are very appealing to people, from their striking beauty, to their cuddleness/cuteness factor, and also the fact that they are receptive to interacting with humans and their playful nature. Of course, for all of these reasons, they would seem ideal for existing in positive pet relationships with humans, but there present numbers are certainly not enough for this to be feasible in the immediate future. One side arguement for finding an avenue through which people can obtain pet red pandas legally is that it would serve to alleviate the pressure on their endangered wild populations that are posed by poaching for the illegal pet trade (who wants to deal with Pinko Commies anyways :shrug:) and traditional Chinese uses for their fur. :wink:

We're personally interested in working together to set some positive trends for the future of red pandas. I'm interested in studying zoology and specializing in bamboo, the ecosystem of the region of the world they exist in, and as much about red pandas themselves as possible, to find opportunities to work with them in zoos, and to venture into the wild and explore them there. MT is into psychology and we could begin to explore what it could mean to use red pandas in therapy. In order to do so, we would have to explore and document red pandas directly interacting with humans in a natural, comfortable human setting. We would be interested in building a proper foundation from which we could work with red pandas, keep them in the home (as well as have an area outside in order to fufill some psychological needs), and just begin to explore what it could mean to live together with red pandas as pets, making video documentaries that could be available on the Internet, with something like youtube, in order to raise awareness and interest.

A scientific basis for sharing the same living space as red pandas could begin to emerge, as well as exensive documentation available to anyone of how they must be cared for. I've already referred to the responsibility that exists when an animal leaves one to be with another. Keeping red pandas as pets would be regulated, mostly with education, to ensure that red pandas were being treated properly. At any rate, this point, if it were to arise, would not be for quite a few years, and, in our increasingly interconnected planet, evolving from the powerful influence of the Internet, we may very well be much more compassionate, wise, realized beings.

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Until then it just seems like you want a new pet no matter how it turns out for the rest.




See? Not true. :tongue:

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Considering the current state of humanity one could make a good case for instinctual living as a more harmonious state of existance.




Ahh, don't be silly. :smirk: While there are always negative attributes of humanity being exhibited, people tend to lose sight of the very real, noticeable progress that occurs through every new generation. Some tend to focus on the negative aspects of their environment, effectively blowing it out of proportion, and, as what these aspects are progress, attention instead focuses on some kind of continual negativity.

If it were all or nothing, humans living as apes or humans living in this day and age, I think we would all choose today, as to go back wouldn't be evolution. While we all yearn back for certain aspects of past human life that appeal to us, we wouldn't want to lose all of the beneficial progress and understanding that benefits us so. I'm making a case for living our life in relation with other life more, focusing on benefiting them to direct our awareness into reality more. I see technology becoming increasingly transparent, enabling us to still provide ourselves with a preferable quality of existence, while being able to let nature be, and to have the opportunity to explore it fully. We're talking emerging trends that will lead to a more harmonious state of existence, and we see red pandas as playing an important role in that. :mushroom2:

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And thank you for knowing which animals know the "nature of reality". :lol::monkeydance: I would certainly beg to differ here.




Perspectives on the nature of reality are evidenced to resemble the nature of reality itself when they employ predictive value. Beg to differ away, but the idea of not being able to know which perspectives of the nature of reality hold more relevance to the nature of reality itself is false.

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When mankind can show respect for mankind then we might consider looking into including the rest of the animal kingdom with out the harm we have been doing to animals so often for our known history. :frown:




In other words, once reality fufills your expectation, then you would choose for people how they will begin to interact with animals? :smirk:

What we have proposed is our own personal path of evolution, one that will promote these ideals you wish to see fufilled.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: deranger]
    #7924025 - 01/24/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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If we make these things our pets we'll have snottly little brat children harassing the living shit out of them until we may possibly see some blood and gore.  But this already happens with dogs and cats, so why not?  Just cus it's a bear don't make them any more significant than a cat.  But thats just my opinion.  Should we throw our right away to keep cats and dogs as pets too?




Well, I like your perspective on this, as a sort of "well, this is the way it is anyways, so why not?" type deal. :smirk: I think, though, considering their endangered status and the time it would take for red pandas to be feasibly available as pets, there will be enough time to secure a foundation upon which it is assured that red pandas, and other animals as well, will be treated much better. :smile:


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7924105 - 01/24/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

and specializing in bamboo,

I suggest the red panda restaurant to begin with.

While I understand what you are saying I doubt it will all play out so beautifully as you predict. The best way to insure the survival of any species is to leave their habitat intact. If humans need pet pandas for their psychological well being then I pray for human extinction as soon as possible. The weaker we get the more we encourage it.:tongue:


Ahh, don't be silly.

No, you don't be arrogant. You seem to think you know what everybody wants for some strange reason. I myself would feel no loss if I was born a Bonabo. I think humanity for all it's good qualities is a negative force on this planet. (please just take a look) I believe we will self destruct and do harm to most flora and fauna in the process.  I'm not sure of course but being as honest as I can be it sure looks this way from here.

Perspectives on the nature of reality are evidenced to resemble the nature of reality itself

It seems each living thing has their own perspective on reality. Who's perspective is more correct? Do we have to visit your belief that you know what ultimate reality is again. :monkeydance: I certainly hope not.

In other words, once reality fulfills your expectation, then you would choose for people how they will begin to interact with animals?


Yes. IMO everyone does this. But just so you know, mankind had been interacting with animals for it's whole history. We just started domesticating them (for the most part without their consent) for a short time.

And the Lord said "Fireworks you shall have dominion over all life on the planet to do as you see fit." Amen.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7924299 - 01/24/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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in our increasingly interconnected planet, evolving from the powerful influence of the Internet, we may very well be much more compassionate, wise, realized beings.





:rofl: :lol:  :rofl2:

You do realize that the vast majority of internet sites are devoted to porn, and that most of the remainder are devoted to selling something?  Yes, there is definitely a powerful influence being created by the internet.  :tongue:


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Veritas]
    #7924385 - 01/24/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Don't forget search engines :wink:

If it weren't for the internet, I may have never realized that the vast majority of foods sold in supermarkets are dead and hinder a healthy lifestyle.  Now that surely could have had some effect on the rate at which I grow as a realized being.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Veritas]
    #7924433 - 01/24/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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You do realize that the vast majority of internet sites are devoted to porn, and that most of the remainder are devoted to selling something?  Yes, there is definitely a powerful influence being created by the internet.  :tongue:




I see no reason to appeal to the lowest common denominator in regards to discussion about positive change. I am discussing the benefits of the proliferation of information, the ability to network regardless of locality, and the trends that are beginning to take place throughout this planet resulting from access to and usage of the Internet. The seeds that have been planted are beginning now to grow. The greatest indicator that this is occuring on a noticeable scale is Congressmen Ron Paul's bid for the Presidency. It is a textbook example of how much the Internet is influencing the course of reality in unprecedented ways never imagined just two years ago, and the benefits of people becoming more aware of the nature of reality around them due to receiving signfigantly more information about reality.

Okay, sure, as you pointed out, a lot of people are using this tool to explore their own sexuality. Is this indulgence, or is it the first step towards becoming aware of our nature? Obviously it is what people need at that point, to become more conscious beings, and the Internet only provides a greater opportunity for people to develop as they need to.

My point, of course, was not regarding some instant, transformative event, but rather signs that are emerging now that are strongly indicating a quick transition, due to necessity, faciliated by the technological advances of the Internet, into a new age in which people become more self-realized and understanding of the world around them, thus directly impacting further, positive change.

The fact is, there is no standard metric with which to judge how quickly positive change can manifest. There is really only a question of how efficently information can be exchanged, and how quickly people become receptive to positive change occuring, through them and within their environment.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: deranger]
    #7924439 - 01/24/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
Don't forget search engines :wink:

If it weren't for the internet, I may have never realized that the vast majority of foods sold in supermarkets are dead and hinder a healthy lifestyle.  Now that surely could have had some effect on the rate at which I grow as a realized being.




Not only this, but these important changes in the lives of individuals are occuring in every locality on this planet, dependant on access and usage, of course, and how these individuals socially network off the Internet. In most cases, people who use the Internet are involved in some kind of life with people around them, and the change continues. This is happening everywhere. :mushroom2:


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Veritas]
    #7924455 - 01/24/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

So basically what you're saying is that, because a large number of people are irresponsible and don't correspond to the description of an individual which is apt to care in a good way for animals, there's no reason in trying to bring awareness into this matter.
Considering that all things are lost and nothing can be changed is not such a god attitude if we strive for progress in my opinion. In fact, if everybody was to think like that, everything would just stagnate or even regress. I am well aware of the flaws of this world, as well as I am aware of the positive and constructive aspects of it. I am not deluding myself into thinking that we have a wonder potion that people will swallow and produce a magical shift in awareness. But I know about that particular aspect of human beings which responds to pleasure and love. And even if many people don't have the most intelligent means of achieving and producing it, I still take to consideration the possibility that some of them might. I still believe that one of the main reasons we act from anger and fear is the lack of information. By focusing on exactly this aspect, namely finding and spreading information, things will eventually change. Of course, it won't be a sudden change, as any real and efficient change happens in time because it has to follow and live it's every stage, but what we seed into this world will flower later on. We might be inclined to think that our actions have to effect in the outside world if we lack of patience or willingness to understand the delay between cause and effect.
I fully agree that nobody can be changed, and I never would want to try such a thing. But I think that a change can be produced (or to me more clear, facilitated) in those who already have some sort of intention in that direction.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7924534 - 01/24/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I'm saying that it seems extraordinarily naive to claim that the internet is influencing a significant portion of the population with regards to becoming more enlightened and compassionate.  Those who are interested in making positive changes within themselves and in the world around them will seek out information which facilitates such change.  These seekers are NOT a statistically significant portion of the human population.

I use the internet to my great benefit, in many aspects of my daily life, but this use is not hugely different than the manner in which I used the library while I was growing up.  (I was homeschooled.)  I would guess that my use of the internet is highly unusual, as was my use of the library.  Few people utilize this resource for more than paying bills, shopping or looking at porn.  :shrug:

There may well be positive changes in the wind, as there have been throughout human history, but they are not likely to be global or generalized.  This does not mean that your individual efforts in that direction are wasted, but rather that the expectation of the effect of your efforts could stand to be a bit more realisitic.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7924570 - 01/24/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I see no reason to appeal to the lowest common denominator in regards to discussion about positive change.

Especially when it doesn't validate your position. Even thought she is correct. Just out of curiosity have you ever admitted to being in error in your illustrious history here?


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Icelander]
    #7924586 - 01/24/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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While I understand what you are saying I doubt it will all play out so beautifully as you predict. The best way to insure the survival of any species is to leave their habitat intact.




And what do you propose is the best way to ensure that humanity secures the continual sustainability of environments that are being fragmented to the point that the animals who have specifically evolved for that microhabitat are facing extinction? The fact that they are endangered doesn't seem to compel enough, but the creation of incentive in seeing these animals continue to thrive subsequently ensures that the restoration and sustainability of these habitats exists. This is why conservation programs coupled with regulated hunting is so effective in securing the population of an animal while investing in the protection of the environment they exist within.

Of course, more regarding what I am proposing here, it is also possible to properly recreate a microhabitat to provide for the sustained existence of life. This enriches the lives of humans, by adding to the quality of their life in participating in a stimulating, purposeful task of sustaining an environment that provides for the quality of existence for animals, while simultaneously protecting them and giving them an opportunity to live a fufilled life, and an opportunity to directly interact with humans and evolve with us. :mushroom2:

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If humans need pet pandas for their psychological well being then I pray for human extinction as soon as possible. The weaker we get the more we encourage it.:tongue:




I see no reason to be facetious about this. :shrug:

Humans don't need pet red pandas for their psychological well-being, but this does not negate the potential benefits from a meaningful relationship with another animal. There is plenty of documented reports regarding all ways that keeping animals as pets is therapeutic and beneficial for the well-being of the life of humans. It also seems clear that, if done in an effective, compassionate manner, the well-being of the animals can be satisfied as well. For you to dismiss these substansive concepts as some sort of sad commentary on humanity itself is brazenly ridiculuous.

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No, you don't be arrogant. You seem to think you know what everybody wants for some strange reason.




Oh, do I really? :hehehe:

I see no refutation for my point you were replying to. Most people enjoy this experience and the benefits from being here now. Being conscious is not some burden that humans need cast away. Being more aware of reality and of our own nature is empowering and beneficial. Understanding reality makes sense, and we seem to be on a path of higher consciousness, considering our evolution. Clearly some people might not be interested in this, but most clearly do, since most seem to continue to perpetuate this cycle.

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I myself would feel no loss if I was born a Bonabo.




Of course not, being is being. We are simply a state of existence, we exist as we exist.

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I think humanity for all it's good qualities is a negative force on this planet. (please just take a look) I believe we will self destruct and do harm to most flora and fauna in the process.  I'm not sure of course but being as honest as I can be it sure looks this way from here.




When we lack awareness and understanding of reality, when we are not aware of the subtle aspects of our environment we are immersed in, and we act out of this lack, can we serve as a detriment, to ourselves and our environment?

No one is asking that question, because it seems pretty evident that we can, and have. Every single one of us. This doesn't mean that we are not learning as we grow. Its happening right now, people everywhere are interacting with reality and they are learning. Reality is choosing this course. The idea of evolution, and its evidence, is evidence enough that things will get better as reality unfolds. We exist on a path of becoming more conscious, and, as we become more aware of the nature of reality, we act more effectively in accordance with that nature in order to influence the way in which reality unfolds. This has a compounding effect, especially with advances in technology that allow a mesh network of information to manifest everywhere.

The fact is, we will naturally begin to consume less oil as we become more aware of the consequences of doing so, and as the free market determines it is more profitable to invest in sustainable sources of energy. As humans begin to realize it is better to live a healthy lifestyle, the free market determines that there is more incentive to invest in ventures to facillitate healthy lifestyle. As people begin to demand more integrity and intellectual understanding and effective leadership in politics, the more likely it is that politicians will emerge that can get elected by those people. Things continue to change for the better - that is evolution. :wink:

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It seems each living thing has their own perspective on reality. Who's perspective is more correct? Do we have to visit your belief that you know what ultimate reality is again. :monkeydance: I certainly hope not.




I'm not sure I understand the personalism, so I won't comment on it. Reality determines which perspective is more correct.

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And the Lord said "Fireworks you shall have dominion over all life on the planet to do as you see fit." Amen.




Nonsense, I shall not have dominion, nor shall I seek it. I have implied nothing of the sort.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Icelander]
    #7924600 - 01/24/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Especially when it doesn't validate your position. Even thought she is correct. Just out of curiosity have you ever admitted to being in error in your illustrious history here?




I clearly expressed how the reality she pointed towards is accounted for in the perspective on the matter that I was presenting. It is possible for more than one person to be correct on one matter, whereas one person places that understanding in a different context than the other person presenting it. Reading comprehension will confirm that I fully accounted for her statement.

I'm not going to indulge your curiousities so you can perpetuate some kind of irrelevant personalism.


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Re: Red Pandas [Re: Veritas]
    #7924618 - 01/24/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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I use the internet to my great benefit, in many aspects of my daily life, but this use is not hugely different than the manner in which I used the library while I was growing up. (I was homeschooled.) I would guess that my use of the internet is highly unusual, as was my use of the library. Few people utilize this resource for more than paying bills, shopping or looking at porn. :shrug:




I don't know about that, people do not use the library as much as they once did. :shrug:
Now I can't foresee the future and tell what will happen, maybe the library trend will experience another bloom, but from the way things are evolving right now, I just don't see this happening. :lol:
The internet might be used more for porn and paying bills, but it's potential is much larger. Personally I prefer to read or buy books online instead of going to the library. Most of my friends prefer this too. Now I know that others prefer going to the library, but what I'm trying to say is that libraries are already losing ground in the favor of the internet. And I think that more and more people will choose the internet over going to the library, it's much more preferable reading the book you need in the comfort and privacy of your own home than in a library where you're supposed to stay for hours on a chair, make as little noise as possible and simply behave. :lol:
Not to mention that librarians can be a pain in the ass. :mad:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Re: Red Pandas [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7924619 - 01/24/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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signs that are emerging now that are strongly indicating a quick transition, due to necessity, faciliated by the technological advances of the Internet, into a new age in which people become more self-realized and understanding of the world around them, thus directly impacting further, positive change.





To what signs are you referring? Are you claiming that this will occur on a generalized level, throughout the current human population? Upon what are you basing this assertion?


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