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Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings
    #7908293 - 01/21/08 02:33 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Was watching the documentary "Grizzly Man" about a man who spent 8 summers filming and living with bears in the remote Alaskan wilderness.

Hours before he was killed and eaten by a 'friend' he tells the camera how dangerous what he is doing is, but that he has confidence and a special connection with the wild animals, his friends, and that no other human could survive there. He was so sure of himself that he invited a woman, who was petrified of bears, along on this last outing to join him and also became bear sushi.

*Crunch* :eek:

Remember folks, that feelings and intuition are never to be questioned by rationality because it doesn't apply. :nono: Whatever you feel is automatically true.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7908308 - 01/21/08 02:39 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

That's funny shit......

Kinda like how people were saying. Why did the tiger attack those people.... Because its a freakin tiger!
Bears eat people. I wonder why this guy felt special. Well now he feels like bear poop.... Maybe he'll grow into a mushie.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: Cubie]
    #7908317 - 01/21/08 02:44 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

i feel like that sometimes.

kind of a dr doolittle complex.. like i can communicate with animals and like if you are kind hearted and have good intentions that they aren't going to harm you.. same with people.

well same thing applies with bears as with people.. doesn't matter how you are, some of them are just fucked up and there's no changing that and you will get mauled/eaten.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7908318 - 01/21/08 02:44 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

that's a little taste of my early-morning drunken philosophy.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: Cubie]
    #7908320 - 01/21/08 02:45 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Tatiana the tiger attacked those guys because they were yelling and throwing stuff at her.

Grizzly man, though obviously schizo, was doing a pretty good job with the bears until he stayed during the off season when they were starving.

It seems to me that he felt very hopeless deep inside and wanted to die, and our feelings always lead us just where the subconscious wants to be.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7908383 - 01/21/08 03:22 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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well same thing applies with bears as with people.. doesn't matter how you are, some of them are just fucked up and there's no changing that and you will get mauled/eaten.





There is a guy at the gym, Robert, I have known casually for about 3 years (a Christian) about whom I always tell people that he is the nicest guy you ever want to meet; a true gentleman.

A few days ago he went into a murderous rage over absolutely nothing -and when I say nothing I mean there was no obvious spark. We were playing racquetball and there were no arguments, no one got hit or pushed or teased, just a bunch of guys having fun for a few hours. He won some and lost some. I go to serve on game six and he gives me an easy lay up. I put it away. "Can you get THAT one?!" he yells. This repeats for two more serves with more egging on and taunting and I see storm clouds coming, so I thank everyone and walk off the court in the middle of the game totally perplexed.

Robert comes running out of the court and just about tears the heavy-duty door off the hinges. His eyes turn to pinpoints, spittle forms on his lips and he starts yelling and charges me with murder in his eyes. I have only seen this look once before in my entire life. I back up and cock my racquet ready to cave his head in if he gets any closer. Robert is built like a rugby player, some 15 years younger and 40 pounds heavier than me, so I would have no compunction about using a weapon to defend myself.

As I am back-peddling, Robert's daughter runs up to him in tears, "No, Daddy, don't", she pleads. He stops and I walk away.

Later after he left, I asked the other players what happened and they were as puzzled as I. I still have no clue what set off this psychotic break.

His wife was also there watching the outburst. I would hate to be her.

I guess you NEVER know anyone and the thin veneer of social pleasantry can be ripped away at any moment - be it bear or human ape.
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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7908390 - 01/21/08 03:32 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Fuck yea I woulda used a racket to. There's no rules in fighting. Only winning. I wouldn't use a weapon unless I thought I was gonna get my as best though.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7908391 - 01/21/08 03:32 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Fuck yea I woulda used a racket to. There's no rules in fighting. Only winning. I wouldn't use a weapon unless I thought I was gonna get my ass best though.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7908669 - 01/21/08 08:06 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

We all take responsibility for ourselves. I see no problem. He gambled and got a bad hand, so did the person who trusted him.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7908734 - 01/21/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
We all take responsibility for ourselves. I see no problem. He gambled and got a bad hand, so did the person who trusted him.




That is exactly the problem - we do NOT take responsibility for ourselves but blame others and project our own stuff onto others, then react to the stuff we have projected!


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7908924 - 01/21/08 09:58 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

People who take their life into their own hands have unwittingly taken responsibility for themselves whether they intended to or not. Now if he had been doing something that impacted the choices of others I would feel differently. He didn't have time to blame anyone as he was too busy being food I would think. The person with him did the same. I rock climb for a past time, and there is some risk involved if one is not attentive. Do you consider that doing this is irresponsible? I see that I am completely in my own hands, and whatever happens is on me. However, there are risks that I would not take, and petting grizzlies is a bad choice in my opinion...it makes one available as a prime candidate for a Darwin award, but that is just me.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7909569 - 01/21/08 01:11 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

yeah but dude survived that long. it was the bitches fault for being afraiud bears got tipped off and you know the rest..


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: rubixcubies]
    #7910283 - 01/21/08 04:15 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Where's that tape anyway??


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7910326 - 01/21/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Was watching the documentary "Grizzly Man" about a man who spent 8 summers filming and living with bears in the remote Alaskan wilderness.

Hours before he was killed and eaten by a 'friend' he tells the camera how dangerous what he is doing is, but that he has confidence and a special connection with the wild animals, his friends, and that no other human could survive there. He was so sure of himself that he invited a woman, who was petrified of bears, along on this last outing to join him and also became bear sushi.

*Crunch* :eek:

Remember folks, that feelings and intuition are never to be questioned by rationality because it doesn't apply. :nono: Whatever you feel is automatically true.





I saw this movie. He did have an awesome sense of where bears were at and his lack of fear kept them relaxed.  He made some basic mistakes at the end and he should have known better. She was with him for most of that summer. They should have left when they planned. I believe he overrode his intuition and good sense with his emotional problems. Intuition is not full proof. The same is true of logic.


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Edited by Icelander (01/21/08 04:23 PM)


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: Icelander]
    #7910391 - 01/21/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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I believe he overrode his intuition and good sense with his emotional problems.




:wtf: He was as balanced as any regular poster on M&P! :thumbup:


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7910408 - 01/21/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Zactly.


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7911926 - 01/21/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

First thing that popped into my head was this bear attack vid....
Even a trained blackbelt didn't have (the illusion of) control....
Something about chicks and bears....    They just don't mix....  :shrug:




Me thinks that Robert don't like you....    :thumbup:
You gonna~ give him a third "strike"....?


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Re: Questioning another's intuition and subjective feelings [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7912021 - 01/21/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

bears can smell the menstruation



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