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InvisibleIcelander
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Ouch!
    #7905745 - 01/20/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"


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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7905808 - 01/20/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I am studying for I have this blind youth faith that someday I will have something to say, a brilliant idea to write about and indeed I secretly, a secret I sometime keep from myself, wish this idea to be read and understood and praised for its genius. I therefore wish to be praised for my genius. Through this ego desire I am completely vulnerable to suffering, anxiety, depression, criticism and judgment and my weaknesses pierce right through. Read them here already. I am young and not very wise, however hard I try to lie to myself into the contrary, which I am somehow doing right here. There, again, etc. Ouch.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: deimya]
    #7905852 - 01/20/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Very cool post. I like it.:thumbup:


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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7906110 - 01/20/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

What a great thread! You're awesome!

I hope this has boosted your ego slightly. Have a nice day!


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Re: Ouch! [Re: adrug]
    #7906114 - 01/20/08 03:14 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Just slightly. Thank you.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7906822 - 01/20/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"




Mod edit: no flaming in this forum.


Edited by Diploid (01/20/08 09:24 PM)


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Re: Ouch! [Re: straasha]
    #7906842 - 01/20/08 06:43 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

The issue with this is the fact that its true. The whole reason we are driven to succeed is so that we are better than the other guy, and therefore praised for doing so.

Damn. Way to nullify my dreams :laugh:


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Re: Ouch! [Re: straasha]
    #7906861 - 01/20/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Learn some fucking debate rules and then come back :thumbdown:
Or don't :hehehe:


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Re: Ouch! [Re: straasha]
    #7906939 - 01/20/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

straasha said:
Quote:

"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"




Fuck off Icelander. Praise is only pleasing if it comes from someone you think is worthy of praising you. Otherwise its just a different level of noise...




You sound scared.:rofl2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7907938 - 01/20/08 11:26 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

G.W.F. Hegel wrote in Book B of The Phenomenology of Mind about the need for recognition in one's attainment and maintanence of self-consciousness. It is
under IV., A. 'Independence and Bondage of Self-Consciousness: Lordship and Bondage'. Within this reading, Hegel goes on to discuss man's fear of death as behind many of these bulwarks of egocentrism. I mention this because I've been doing some reading in phenomenology over my 4 day break and because you often cite fear of death as a motive in many things. Hegel would agree. I'd recommend the book (which I've owned since 7/3/78) except that it's so blasted difficult, I still haven't gotten through it.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7907972 - 01/20/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

straasha said:
Quote:

"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"




Fuck off Icelander. Praise is only pleasing if it comes from someone you think is worthy of praising you. Otherwise its just a different level of noise...




You sound scared.:rofl2:




I don't see how this person sounds 'scared'. It makes sense, but I don't really see where your original point is coming from. I can honestly say I've never had the thought of someone 'praising' me. Yeah, I think you must be insecure to want that.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: Icelander]
    #7908035 - 01/21/08 12:10 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"




Sadly this is our condition for most of our lives unless we do some serious work on ourselves or during the midst of an ego loss where we let it all go and surrender. I have seen it myself in my family and the majority of human kind after a shattering mushroom trip where I felt psychologically naked for the next few weeks. Hell, I guess I'm falling into the trap right now or something.

Even still though, what would a humble person have to do with a bunch of people whose main motive for interacting with you was for self-aggrandizement. Seems like humble and secure person would end up being just as lonely.

I blame societies programming, kids see adults behaving in this way and then they learn that this is the way to get respect. I guess death anxiety too, although I never saw it that way.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7908480 - 01/21/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Ok, let me clear things up for you here, believe it or not i meant "fuck off Icelander" in a good and affectionate way i think your a cool guy, what we have here is a cultural difference, I'm from a culture that uses fuck as an adjective a verb and an adverb... sometimes in the same sentence and it needn't be derogatory, same with other "curse" words, why a friend of mine says to his son "come here ya little shit ya" with nothing but fatherly devotion in his heart and sometimes to be called a "clever cunt" (we like alliteration too) is a good thing.

Bloody message boards don't carry the tone of voice unfortunately, similarly with the other Message that was labeled a flame was not meant like that. I thought it carried a good point or two if gave it a chance, the one on frowning at suicide i thought was very good.

As for the debate rules... well, the definition of flame is open to interpretation but now i have an idea.

Do ye know what i mean?


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Re: Ouch! [Re: straasha]
    #7908533 - 01/21/08 05:35 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

straasha said:
Do ye know what i mean?




Yes, you weren't intending negative connotations, but unfortunately the limitations of this form of communication does not readily convey that, so moderators must take such extremities and prevent them to avoid the real possibility that they are interpreted in a way that will serve as a detriment to the discussion of ideas in the thread. :wink:


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Re: Ouch! [Re: Love Cap]
    #7908537 - 01/21/08 05:37 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Love Cap said:
I can honestly say I've never had the thought of someone 'praising' me. Yeah, I think you must be insecure to want that.




So you haven't experienced it consciously, it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Human beings are naturally social creatures, and we live our lives in relation to others. To be recognized as a valuable, meaningful being is damn near universal. People exist to feel love.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: straasha]
    #7908538 - 01/21/08 05:38 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

    Quote:
    Icelander said:

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        straasha said:

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            "If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"



        Fuck off Icelander. Praise is only pleasing if it comes from someone you think is worthy of praising you. Otherwise its just a different level of noise...



    You sound scared.:rofl2:



I don't see how this person sounds 'scared'. It makes sense, but I don't really see where your original point is coming from. I can honestly say I've never had the thought of someone 'praising' me. Yeah, I think you must be insecure to want that.




If its someone who you respect, who is accomplished and capable then his compliments give you an indication that your doing well, its a kind of feedback.


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Re: Ouch! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7910503 - 01/21/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

I'd recommend the book (which I've owned since 7/3/78)

I will PM you where to send it. I'm sure I can make sense of it.:tongue:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Ouch! [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7910513 - 01/21/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

EternalCowabunga said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
"If each of us were to confess his most secret desire, the one that inspires all his deeds and designs, he would say, 'I want to be praised'. Yet none will bring himself to confess, for it is less dishonorable to commit a crime than to announce such a pitiful and humiliating weakness arising from a sense of loneliness and insecurity, a feeling that afflicts both the fortunate and the unfortunate, with equal intensity"




Sadly this is our condition for most of our lives unless we do some serious work on ourselves or during the midst of an ego loss where we let it all go and surrender. I have seen it myself in my family and the majority of human kind after a shattering mushroom trip where I felt psychologically naked for the next few weeks. Hell, I guess I'm falling into the trap right now or something.

Even still though, what would a humble person have to do with a bunch of people whose main motive for interacting with you was for self-aggrandizement. Seems like humble and secure person would end up being just as lonely.

I blame societies programming, kids see adults behaving in this way and then they learn that this is the way to get respect. I guess death anxiety too, although I never saw it that way.




It's natural to want praise and within reason not something to get over but to acknowledge openly. As you have pointed out, we are social animals.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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