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Evolution of Consciousness
#7905453 - 01/20/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Can we evolve--better--our consciousness? (I'm speaking in terms of one's consciousness and/or in terms of THE consciousness, i.e. the consciousness of the Kosmos)
If so, how?
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I don't know for sure, but for me i had to open my mind to all new possibilities.
Searching the cosmos is like searching through a bale of hay for a needle.
Once and every while you may get close to that needle but never touch it.
That is how it is in this world you reach and reach and never get to that needle.
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vigilant_mind said: Can we evolve--better--our consciousness? (I'm speaking in terms of one's consciousness and/or in terms of THE consciousness, i.e. the consciousness of the Kosmos)
If so, how?
Well, its hard to discern precisely what you are speaking about, since words just don't convey truth as much as humans are biased to think , but I definitely see a path of awareness. The question of what exactly is evolving I could not answer - us, as we become more conscious, consciousness itself? Reality as a whole it would seem, since there is no distinction between ourselves, our environment, consciousness itself...
What is reality? I increasingly have moments in which it strikes me that I'm existing and its just... It would seem that most everyone becomes so conditioned within a specific perspective/role/state that they do not have the sense of what is implied by the presence of that state of existence.
I find myself identifying more with consciousness than with temporal aspects of "my" existence, simultaneously embracing "my" life. Why not, this clearly is much more than these aspects of reality that this mind tends to associate meaning and identity with. Consciousness is existence. The more we begin to understand and realize the nature of reality, the more we experience life in terms beyond the limitations of our own little human perspective.
It is a magical dream.
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I tend to agree with you, in that I think consciousness may actually be existence itself.
At times I feel this interconnectedness with everything, and for a brief moment, I feel what I call the Love of the Universe. It's hard to explain. It's a sensation of blissful well being and utter love for all things. But every time I experience this phenomenon, I feel as if I know that my consciousness, is not MY consciousness, but is only a mere part of THE consciousness, the world awareness at large.
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Speaking as humans, one cannot say much more than "existence is consciousness" since for oneself existence is but consciously experienced. And then came language and induction. No revelation there, only we like to forget about it and give credence to our constructions and ego.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: deimya]
#7907191 - 01/20/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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deimya said: Speaking as humans, one cannot say much more than "existence is consciousness" since for oneself existence is but consciously experienced. And then came language and induction. No revelation there, only we like to forget about it and give credence to our constructions and ego.
No revelation there? To become aware of the nature of reality is a revelation. The profound realization that we are conscious is a turning point in our evolution. To dissolve the conditioning that prevents us from fully realizing the nature of reality is remarkable.
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vigilant_mind said: I tend to agree with you, in that I think consciousness may actually be existence itself.
At times I feel this interconnectedness with everything, and for a brief moment, I feel what I call the Love of the Universe. It's hard to explain. It's a sensation of blissful well being and utter love for all things. But every time I experience this phenomenon, I feel as if I know that my consciousness, is not MY consciousness, but is only a mere part of THE consciousness, the world awareness at large.
i know that feeling! now, what do we do with it? I'm hoping somehow we can get more people to realize that something extraordinary is out there, and motivate people more to do something together. because what have we done so far with our consciousness? all we're doing right now is choking ourselves out; we're headed for destruction... when we do have this consciousness that seems like it could be used for so much more!
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7907336 - 01/20/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7907457 - 01/20/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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vigilant_mind said: I tend to agree with you, in that I think consciousness may actually be existence itself.
At times I feel this interconnectedness with everything, and for a brief moment, I feel what I call the Love of the Universe. It's hard to explain. It's a sensation of blissful well being and utter love for all things. But every time I experience this phenomenon, I feel as if I know that my consciousness, is not MY consciousness, but is only a mere part of THE consciousness, the world awareness at large.
i know that feeling! now, what do we do with it? I'm hoping somehow we can get more people to realize that something extraordinary is out there, and motivate people more to do something together. because what have we done so far with our consciousness? all we're doing right now is choking ourselves out; we're headed for destruction... when we do have this consciousness that seems like it could be used for so much more!
well whats so bad about destructiong i always that that conscious destruction can lead to rebirth and taking a new prespective at things, which in doing so can motivate others to do more together and Exist from the the greater goods and things that are dear
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i can see it that way, but we're not just destructing our consciousness, we're destructing the place we live! which yeah, we can turn it around or we can go towards total destruction and build again. i just hope i get to see it!
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7907971 - 01/20/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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which the reconstruction or it turning around? or both at the same time cause i think thats what makes this world stay in the way that it is there is constant desturtion and avoidance of destruction, and the stuff that isnt part of the reconstruction and avioded well, it just kind rots away or just later faces destruction by another means. Its impossible to not not have compelety destruction here and there. we are constantly changing and evolving each day we life, i think only in physical death does our Consciousness stop working but you know what we just effected X amount of other Consciousness tthat will build on it and that sir, is the universal collective Conscious that always exsits as long as Consciousness exists.
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Well first of all, I'm not a sir but thank you for being polite. 
I know what you're saying, but when it comes down to it.. we're literally going to COMPLETELY destruct the whole human race, by running out of our own natural resources if we keep on consuming the way we do. We don't know what happens to us then; I'm sure the earth will naturally evolve in it's own way, but I think we should be more in sync with it than we are now.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7908115 - 01/21/08 12:55 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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well, so what if the human race is like the things before it is bound to fail and be relpaced by a greather animal or something of that sorts. maybe for that to happen the planet must become barren and a waste land, and just start over from that to form a animal far greater then us? you never know who says plants werent consciousness beings thats alot of compound consciousness making all sorts of differnt thought or just waves or something their ripple on everything and everything rippling on it.
but thats a random 2 cents im just making shit up or something i leave alot of room to play in what i say
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i can see that. but don't WE have the capability to be doing something greater than what we are (only choking out the earth)? seems like we should be figuring this out instead of just being sheeps to 'big brother'. we all need to be stripping off our egos.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7908157 - 01/21/08 01:18 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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well with out an ego people are just robots, people want to be people rather then a machine that runs well. They want to be able to do what ever they want to do fuck planets, fuck space, fuck everything cause im gona do what i do. or something like that like smoking is bad and can cause cancer yet so many people smoke tho they are now or have already made smoking indoors illegal indoors. Its funny how there still is alot of smoking indoors and places where theres mad techno not like clubs but underground parties.
underground parties have blowen my mind more then any things i have ever had happen to me in my life. Just trying to comphrened is just beyond my capacity for understanding and thats all about the evolution existing in space and both emitting consciousness in all sorts of ways. so in a way im an answering that guy who started the post even tho i think its rhetorical.
im am just self evovling or something lol
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7908515 - 01/21/08 05:25 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: I know what you're saying, but when it comes down to it.. we're literally going to COMPLETELY destruct the whole human race, by running out of our own natural resources if we keep on consuming the way we do. We don't know what happens to us then; I'm sure the earth will naturally evolve in it's own way, but I think we should be more in sync with it than we are now.
the evolution of human beings is natural too. There are natural cycles in play, as well as checks and balances, thresholds....
We aren't going to bring ourselves to extinction. The planet is global and interconnected now, and we are learning very quickly how we will get along, out of necessity. We still have to act in ways that manifest positive change, of course, or it won't happen, but its not like we will bring our own destruction. We like to live too much; we are far too adaptive.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7908521 - 01/21/08 05:27 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: we all need to be stripping off our egos.
This term does not appeal to me. Nothing is "stripped"; this sounds like pulling bark off of a tree, which is not a beneficial act for the tree.
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vigilant_mind said: Can we evolve--better--our consciousness? (I'm speaking in terms of one's consciousness and/or in terms of THE consciousness, i.e. the consciousness of the Kosmos)
If so, how?
In a way the evolution of consciousness is a very psychedelics idea. It seems to be the major theme/lesson when I eat large amounts of psychedelics, especially LSD. It would seem from the experiences that perhaps we are evolving our consciousness without even knowing it. As the people who experience advanced stages of consciousness such as with psychedelics they are greatly affected by this. They enter lives filled with meditation, love, and wholesome activity. Certainly not all people, but this is true for many cases and there alot of beautiful people out there who are concentrated through meditation, holding space for peace, prayer, etc.. for the evolution of consciousness. Maybe when the collective consciousness is built up large enough to even understanding the evolution of consciousness we will start to evolve. I suggest that we are already in a constant form of evolution. You know we don't really know, but from being in a higher state of consciousness on LSD, this is what I've gathered. Take it or leave it.
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Love Cap said: we all need to be stripping off our egos.
This term does not appeal to me. Nothing is "stripped"; this sounds like pulling bark off of a tree, which is not a beneficial act for the tree.
Well maybe having egos is stripping us of a better reality, and by stripping egos its actually more like ripping a flesh eating virus off of our skin rather than ripping our skin off. Just playing devil's advocate.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Rebirtha]
#7909400 - 01/21/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: we all need to be stripping off our egos.
This term does not appeal to me. Nothing is "stripped"; this sounds like pulling bark off of a tree, which is not a beneficial act for the tree.
Well maybe having egos is stripping us of a better reality, and by stripping egos its actually more like ripping a flesh eating virus off of our skin rather than ripping our skin off. Just playing devil's advocate.
The egos are part of who we are, human beings (as any other living being), what they stand for are a very complex and intelligent systems of functioning. I highly doubt that the ego is there to serve no purpose. Considering all that, wanting to strip one's ego translates into self denial and I don't think it's necessary to outline the problems that appear when one pursues that. Instead of wanting to rid the ego, why not work on shaping it in a manner that is serves us the best? Besides, isn't wanting to rid the ego an extremist view?
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Rebirtha]
#7909413 - 01/21/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Evan said: Well maybe having egos is stripping us of a better reality, and by stripping egos its actually more like ripping a flesh eating virus off of our skin rather than ripping our skin off. Just playing devil's advocate.
Yes, but you have to ask yourself if one's "ego" is like a flesh-eating virus inhabiting one's skin. My answer is that it is not, and to hold such a viewpoint of one's own mental conditioning is not beneficial or healthy.
I see obstructions on our awareness as mental phenomenon that dissolves in the light of reality. We become more aware by transcending our mental conditioning that seperates our awareness from our direct perception. I hold this viewpoint because it is reflective of the nature of reality, not because it is an abstract analogy. It has effective predictive value, and regards the aspects of ourselves that need to be transcended from a neutral vantage point. To do otherwise would be to associate our identity with that which we seek to transcend, which strengthens these aspects, since our natural desire to continue to live works agansit transcendence of these aspects we have now invested identity within.
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yeah i have to agree, but not matter how much you try you cant strip your ego unless your ego is like a screw and you stripped it and now you cant screw it in any more. and in that very case the screw needs to be melted down and remade so it can function again. to ever be fully conscious one needs a strong ego now the thing i think lsd and the whole pyschedelic mind does isnt destroys egos but gives your ego more play with other egos and lets eachother share in each other more. or something of that such. I would call it kinda of a group mind but your always your self even if your yourself and others as one
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Cracka_X]
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how do you post music like that?
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it's tricky, I had to post 6000 posts before I figured it out.
click Reply, then type msg, then click Preview and you'll see a box that'll give ya an option to browse for something to upload.
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Cracka_X]
#7910050 - 01/21/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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and/or attach a file lol i guess this is an example of conscious evolution ha ha
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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: Love Cap]
#7912565 - 01/21/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: ......because what have we done so far with our consciousness?
I think maybe the better question is, "What have we NOT done so far with our consciousness that we are capable of....?" Where is it that you see our consciousness taking us that we don't already go....?

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Re: Evolution of Consciousness [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7912903 - 01/21/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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oh snap
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