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election '08
    #7904866 - 01/20/08 07:35 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

i read somewhere that the rockefellers are endorsing hillary so i assume she will win.  i just find it funny to observe their strategy of  putting her up against a black guy with a muslim sounding name to guarantee the nomination.  and to minimize the amount of fraud and corruption needed.

that being said, i assume there are flaws in my understanding of american politics and look forward to being enlightened.  :tongue:


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Re: election '08 [Re: Scratcher]
    #7904913 - 01/20/08 08:04 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I just assume most super rich ppl like the rockafellers would be inclined not to vote for tax-hiking democrats.


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Re: election '08 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7905328 - 01/20/08 10:50 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I'm afraid you've got the wrong forum and web-site if you're seeking enlightenment.
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Re: election '08 [Re: blackegg]
    #7905337 - 01/20/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

eh?

a noob gonna tell me I'm at the wrong forums? Hah!


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Re: election '08 [Re: Scratcher]
    #7905372 - 01/20/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Scratcher said:
i read somewhere that the rockefellers are endorsing hillary so i assume she will win.  i just find it funny to observe their strategy of  putting her up against a black guy with a muslim sounding name to guarantee the nomination.  and to minimize the amount of fraud and corruption needed.

that being said, i assume there are flaws in my understanding of american politics and look forward to being enlightened.  :tongue:




I would reconsider your overly simplistic assumption.  By my count, Barrack has more delegates at the DNC than Hillary.


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Re: election '08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7905624 - 01/20/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
Quote:

Scratcher said:
i read somewhere that the rockefellers are endorsing hillary so i assume she will win.  i just find it funny to observe their strategy of  putting her up against a black guy with a muslim sounding name to guarantee the nomination.  and to minimize the amount of fraud and corruption needed.

that being said, i assume there are flaws in my understanding of American politics and look forward to being enlightened.  :tongue:




I would reconsider your overly simplistic assumption.  By my count, Barrack has more delegates at the DNC than Hillary.





The Clinton's are surprised that Oprah's kid made it a little competitive!

"these numbers change when the Democratic Party's super delegates are taken into consideration — putting Clinton far ahead. These delegates, who include party leaders and elected officials, are not required to indicate a preference for a candidate, but many have endorsed various presidential hopefuls.

With them taken into consideration, Clinton's tally stands at 236 to Obama's 136 far ahead of Obama."

the game is already over. the Clinton's bought and paid for those super delegates years ago...


http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/NEWS81/335503373/-1/FOSNEWS0406


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Re: election '08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7905706 - 01/20/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Hey guys, what do you think for the republicans is going to happen now? Romney has the most delegates but now that Hunter is gone and Thompson will be if not already. Huckabee could easily pick up a lot of thompsons evangelical votes don't ya think. Had those votes been available he would have won SC and since the delegate count is so close he really may actually win. I would be all right with any of the 3. I like and dislike things about each but I don't believe that Hillary or Obama are the answer and I think if anything they will just do what their party always done, promise big and under deliver and just plain screw stuff up. I don't have much confidence in congress right now and GWB is supposed to be the voice of reason, wtf? So idk. I was just curious what you all thought about it cuz that 15% that went to thompson could work to huckabees victory in the Bible belt and in other areas.

It really will be interesting. I wish the primarys were done all at once cuz the suspense is killing me! lol


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Re: election '08 [Re: rizingfire]
    #7905905 - 01/20/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

it has been interesting!


I remember reading that u are from Massachusetts. if that is correct how did Romney do as Gov in Mass?


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Re: election '08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7905931 - 01/20/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

altho i want ron paul to win
i think obama will


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Re: election '08 [Re: Coaster]
    #7905953 - 01/20/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I have a horrible feeling its gonna be Clinton.
I hope not.....

That super delegates stuff is fuct up.


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Re: election '08 [Re: Cubie]
    #7905986 - 01/20/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

That "super delegate" stuff is nonsense...

Whoever posted that is your typical conspiracy theorist.

Clinton is in no way, shape, or form guaranteed those delegates.

Assuming that the entire Democratic party establishment wants Hillary to get the nomination is absurd. Take a look at the DNC people behind Obama's campaign. Many of them are former Willy Jeff people. Take a look at the people pouring big sums of money into Obama's campaign. Many of them are the big-name donors that Hillary would KILL to have on her side.

I'm not saying that Clinton is out of the race, not by a long shot. But she is going to have to WIN it, she certainly isn't going to have it handed to her.

Conspiracy theories are not facts, and to present them as such is nonsense.


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Re: election '08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7906025 - 01/20/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
That "super delegate" stuff is nonsense...

Whoever posted that is your typical conspiracy theorist.

Clinton is in no way, shape, or form guaranteed those delegates.


Conspiracy theories are not facts, and to present them as such is nonsense.





i posted the "conspiracy" :rolleyes:

u are soooooooo naive.


Clinton Obama

Total - 236 148

Super Delegates -  200 110

Iowa 01/03 57  15 16

New Hampshire    9 9

Michigan  0 * 

Nevada  12 13



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html


so are the 110 Super delegates that party officials have guaranteed to obama not guaranteed also?????????


Do u even know what the fuck you are talking about?


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Edited by lonestar2004 (01/20/08 03:09 PM)


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Re: election '08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7906155 - 01/20/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

People the deck is stacked against Obama.

I know Hillary cannot win the nomination with super delegate votes alone, but if the race is close then the super delegates will easily put her over the top.....


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Re: election '08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7906176 - 01/20/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

That makes me wanna puke. I think she will not be a good president atall.... I think she will keep our country down the same road its on. She is so in lobbyists pockets.
We need actual CHANGE change in almost everything. Mostly our vastly decreasing human rights.


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Re: election '08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7906270 - 01/20/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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People the deck is stacked against Obama.

I know Hillary cannot win the nomination with super delegate votes alone, but if the race is close then the super delegates will easily put her over the top.....




You should stick to Republican politics, which you may actually know something about. You act like those votes are counted already. News FLASH, Dean had something like 100 of your "Guaranteed" super-delegates in the last election.

Guess how many voted for him at the convention? NOT ALL OF THEM.

Those delegates have NEVER been the deciding factor at a convention.

EVER.

Despite your claims to the contrary, those delegates have not CAST their votes for Hillary. They may claim to support her, but if you think they're going to cast their votes for a losing candidate come nomination day, you're out of your mind.

I suppose you believe that she has "bought and paid for" the other *600* super delegates too?


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: election '08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7906563 - 01/20/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Ya, there are so many things to look at. More democrats turned out in some places but this is only the primary. Once there is a clearly defined person of interest for the evangelicals, depending on who they support and who the democrats pick as well. They might fight harder to keep Hillary out than obama or vice versa. Like when they came out of the woodwork and GWB won by a couple landslides and a mountain or two.

It really will depend on what happens from the point of the primary selection. Like I pointed out previously, Obama supporters seem to hate Clinton and Clinton supporters look at him like they would rather waste their vote on Mickey Mouse. Does anyone else think their rivalry will cost their party votes overall in the main election? I think some people who supported the loser wont show up. There is usually a lower showing at primary's too, right? I remember my dad never went to the primary's cuz he didn't care to learn about all the candidates and their policy's. He just wanted to pick the best of the two I guess...but people are like that. So it is going to really get interesting who starts claiming support for who. I don't know whos votes Ron Paul's will go to when he drops out, he is pretty much out no matter what happens from here. This has really been the 1st year that politics offered a variety of choices spanning every taste. Now we get to see what the majority of America's voting population. Last 2 Elections Jerry Falwell and Rod Parsley picked the winners. Likewise whoever they support will get an extremely large chunk of votes. So whoever the democrats pick is going to have to claim some of them and that will be a tough thing to do. I know Falwell is dead but someone new will take his place...is Billy Graham still alive?

I really an looking forward to Super Tuesday We should pretty much know after that with polls from the remaining bigger states...course anything can happen.


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