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Drewwyann
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the infinite space
#7904190 - 01/20/08 12:17 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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A topic I often think about while tripping.
If space is infinite, and infinite constitutes infinity. Doesn't that mean that there has to be a planet made of Will Smiths?
Infinity. No end. Something without an end has everything contained with in it.
The idea that space isn't infinite is even harder to grasp than the idea that space is infinite.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Drewwyann]
#7904206 - 01/20/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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no there isnt infinite possibilities of everything just infinite nothingness
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Coaster]
#7904224 - 01/20/08 12:31 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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space is finite, its out of our grasp, we cant see shit
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Drewwyann]
#7904230 - 01/20/08 12:33 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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While modern physics probably isn't foremost in your mind while you're tripping, the universe is considered to be finite, though there's obviously the potential for it to be infinite.
What is the shape of the universe?
There's a lot of mapping of and research into the structure of the universe:

The Visible Universe within 14 billion Light Years
Maybe not infinite, but Will Smith might just be out there. Or maybe not. Or its just you living on a planet of all Will Smiths...
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The edge of space expands at the speed of light, so we will never get there.
Unless a monolith rips us from the third dimension perhaps :P
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Re: the infinite space [Re: F1234K]
#7904357 - 01/20/08 01:20 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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ever heard of the idea physicists have come up with called the multi-verse theory? It is just a theory at the moment but it says that our universe could quite possibly be one of many.                                                                                                                                                     
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I've heard that before. There was an article which covered Scientific American when I was in high school talking about how there could be universes layered next to each other like the atoms in your ale.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: fazdazzle]
#7904460 - 01/20/08 01:51 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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that is an interesting idea, universes being the basic makeup of something bigger.....
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Churning]
#7904685 - 01/20/08 03:44 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah an infinite universe does mean that there has to be a planet full of Will Smiths, as well as a planet full of Will Smiths and one Tom Cruise. And one with Will Smiths, one Tom Cruise and The High Lord Xenu. I think Tom Cruise calls that one heaven.
but anyway I think people underestimate the true infinite nature of infinity.
But i don't know if true infinity really exists does it? I mean if you continue walking West (and swimming a bit) then you will continue walking infinitely. But the space you walk on isn't infinite, since you end up walking around the world and coming back to the beginning. Maybe the spacetime fabric breaks down at a certain point at the end of the universe or something.
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undergrounder said: Yeah an infinite universe does mean that there has to be a planet full of Will Smiths, as well as a planet full of Will Smiths and one Tom Cruise. And one with Will Smiths, one Tom Cruise and The High Lord Xenu. I think Tom Cruise calls that one heaven.
but anyway I think people underestimate the true infinite nature of infinity.
But i don't know if true infinity really exists does it? I mean if you continue walking West (and swimming a bit) then you will continue walking infinitely. But the space you walk on isn't infinite, since you end up walking around the world and coming back to the beginning. Maybe the spacetime fabric breaks down at a certain point at the end of the universe or something.
I think infinity is a concept that is useful to consider in many situations, even if it doesn't exist. It's like time, euclidian geometry, or mapping a coastline.
I also like the symbol for infinity, the elongated sideways eight, it represents how you can run around in circles forever and never really reach a destination. In reality, you'd eventually get bored or hungry and walk away, but if you could keep it up, you could run around in circles forever, infinity even. It's also not linear, which is key.
Did someone say the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light or something like that? That's pretty cool. To me, if something can happen faster than the speed of light, it should get honorary infinity status.
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I find it ironic that the universe is expanding at the speed of light, and none quite know what happens when something reaches that kind of speed.
I've actually seen a few things on the discovery channel that talk about the idea of infinity.
The theory was basically anything that could happen, is happening, simultaneously at every moment. And yes there is a infinite amount of everything inside our universe, but there is never two things that are quite the same.
For example: I walk into a casino and bet all my money on black. I'm in another universe betting all of my money on red at the same time. Only one will win, and that goes for every possibility everywhere.
Bullshit right?
You have to take into account the size of the universe, and the fact that it never stops growing.
14 billion years is only a number, but in reality, those kinds of distances is more then we can even come close to understanding. There is a ridiculous amount of everything inside 14 billion light years.
Billion. Light years. Think about it.The universe is infinite, and is still growing.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Drewwyann]
#7904815 - 01/20/08 06:50 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I've had the idea many times that the universe is just one big single-celled organism, with all kinds of parts within it that make it what it is.
And there are an infinite amount of universes, all sitting side by side on a never-ending plane of constant destruction and creation, on which all of their connected energies influence one another in a giant scale of balance.
But this plane of universes, is just the miniscule makings of another bigger picture. And the entirety of existence & awareness is spread throughout this infinite dimensional layer cake.
And it goes on and on.
Maybe.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: manyc]
#7904935 - 01/20/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I couldn't read all of these replies, so if someone said what I'm about to say, I'm sorry.
SCIENCE AND MATH.
If you want to know what is and isn't there, becoming a constant observer of the science and math that makes shit work around you is key. Not just physical math. You're going to have to work with some non-physical.
Non-physical science and non-physical math.
THE INTERESTING PART!
Non-physical can't touch physical, and physical can't touch non-physical for very obvious reasons. But boy, YOU BETTER BELIEVE non-physical math is the same as and can work right on through physical math and vice-versa.
Yageman said, much more vaguely, in another post, you can use it to predict the future. He may have called the science and math something else. He's a funny science guy, he is.
You can also use it to predict the shape of the universe. While using it you will find very easily that the universe is indeed quite infinite, and on a scale even grander than we could have imagined.
IT IS ALL IN THE SIMPLE MATH, BROTHERS.
It is not beyond you. YOU ARE IN IT, YOU ARE A PART OF IT, AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE WHOLE OF IT.
It takes a lot of reading, a couple years observation.
Some of us are going to have to fucking do this.
Someone had to get in the fucking boats and sail around the world to find out you wouldn't fall off.
Some of us are sooner or later going to get into our fucking mind-boats and sail and sail and sail until we realize we're never going to reach the end, and we're never going to find the white-bearded man responsible for all of this.
Infinite-chaotic-endlessly-running mathematics are the white bearded man.
Yageman said God wants you to like math and science.
GOD IS MATH AND SCIENCE.
You know how to fucking use math and science don't you?
You know how to learn, if you don't, don't you?
I'm sorry this rant is so long.
IT IS IN THE MATH AND IT IS IN THE SCIENCE, BROTHERS. OBSERVE AND EXTRAPOLATE. YOU WILL SEE THE SHAPE OF THE UNIVERSE, YOU WILL FIND THE MACHINES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, AND YOU WILL BE AMAZED.
Unless you want to kill yourself when you see it, and... well I don't blame you for that! 
I'm done for now!
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There is no will smith planet. Infinite just means we can't measure it. This is a interesting video on the matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1fixMAObI
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Re: the infinite space [Re: clemens]
#7905261 - 01/20/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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According to the big bang theory the universe isn't infinite, but it is constantly expanding. Eventually the universe will stop expanding. Currently in empty space the temp is 2.7 degrees kelvin. We will no space has stopped expanding once it reaches 0 degrees kelvin. At this point there are several theories as to what will happen. One is that gravity will grow so large that all the energy will group together again like in the beginning of the big bang, and then it will explode again. Wala new universe. There are a couple more theories about what will happen after the universe finishes expanding but the most commonly accepted is the one I stated.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: budsmoke]
#7905298 - 01/20/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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budsmoke said: According to the big bang theory the universe isn't infinite, but it is constantly expanding. Eventually the universe will stop expanding. Currently in empty space the temp is 2.7 degrees kelvin. We will no space has stopped expanding once it reaches 0 degrees kelvin. At this point there are several theories as to what will happen. One is that gravity will grow so large that all the energy will group together again like in the beginning of the big bang, and then it will explode again. Wala new universe. There are a couple more theories about what will happen after the universe finishes expanding but the most commonly accepted is the one I stated.
The universe is expanding and the rate of expansion is increasing. There is no consensus or clear information that points to the expansion stopping. As of today, the measured balance of matter in the universe (gravitational forces) compared against the force of the cosmological constant (expansive forces) makes it appear that expansion will go on forever unless there is a force or effect to the contrary. Also, when we talk about expansion, its the actual creation of new space and the expansion carries things further apart. If this is the case, the matter\energy of the universe will not recongregate in any way. Your statement is not the most commonly accepted theory.
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not sure if anyone read my reply but the multi-universe theory has yet to still be proven wrong. It is likely that yes our universe is expanding but it is one of billions. So the question is how many universes are there and how big are they not just ours alone, bigger scale if you get where i am going. Just watched it....heres a link...
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If the universe is expanding, then what is it expanding into?
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VisualLearner said: not sure if anyone read my reply but the multi-universe theory has yet to still be proven wrong.
It's also yet to be proven wrong that there is a giant pink elephant flying around and hiding behind jupiter. Does that mean that there is a giant pink elephant hiding behind jupiter? That doesn't mean its a cool thought though.
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OK dude, well if you want to discredit my reply go ahead and watch the video I posted and it will explain more for you since you don't understand how theory's work.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned string theory yet, I mean it touches on all this stuff and is currently like the hottest thing in physics. Anyway I am nt gonna explain it since I can't claim to get it but read about it cause it's pretty interesting stuff. There is a great video by Brian Green too.
Anyway, Visuallearner, what undergrounder is saying is that none of this can be disproven because there is no way to test it. Plus the idea of multiple universes is not new or groundbreaking, quantum physics tells us that the best we can do at the quantum level is predict (albeit very very accurately) the possibility of something happening. That is what gave rise to the whole multiuniverse thing as far as I know any way.
Really no one has any clue whats going on, the big bang is just a theory but it seems kinda likely.
Scientist are pretty sure the universe is actually finite, and just because the universe is expanding doesn't mean there is any more in it. It's all just getting further apart.
String theory has a lot to do with dimensions, like up, down, left right sorta dimensions. It predicts 10 or 11 dimensions, the 3 we know, 6 or so dimnesions curled up inside these ones and then time.
The way I like to think about it, which may or may not be correct according to the theory, is that the dimensions are layered and that our three dimensional universe sits in a universe that has more dimensions, just like a 2d image sits in our three dimensional world (technically not really but bare with me) and that there are probably other three dimensional universe sitting near us or around us in this larger area but we are like characters on a page and we can't get off to go to them. We can only move in three dimensions and are subject to movement in a fourth (time) however it isn't clear whether we can control our movement through time.
I think with this info combined with the theory of relativity which everyone should probably know says (among many other things) basically the faster you go the more time slows down for you, and if you reach the speed of light time would stop all together. Well to me that seems to say that we can move through time in at least one direction and that the faster we move through our three dimensional universe the faster we move through that forth dimension. However since there is no way to move at a negative speed through our universe there is no way to go back in time.
All ideas. None of them true probably, or at least none of them wholly true I can always hope I got like .000001 % of it right. I think I might actually be able to comprehend that much truth about the nature of the universe, hopefully more but who knows...
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how is it even possible that space is finite?
even outside of the universe, how is it possible that there is nothing? Space is a thing, even if there is nothing within it. Therefore, there is something.
I can't wrap my head around the idea that it is a finite thing.
I definitely hypothesize that space is an ongoing infinite.
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Completely.
I think a lot of people don't realize that you can make math say pretty much anything you want. Which is way string theory and all other theories that predict things like this are actually philosophies and not even scientific theories.
There is no way to test them and therefore there is no way according the the scientific method to formulate theories from them.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Drewwyann]
#7905819 - 01/20/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Drewwyann said: how is it even possible that space is finite?
even outside of the universe, how is it possible that there is nothing? Space is a thing, even if there is nothing within it. Therefore, there is something.
I can't wrap my head around the idea that it is a finite thing.
I definitely hypothesize that space is an ongoing infinite.
Honestly I don't see how finite is harder to imagine than infinite. It may make things a little more complicated with spacial curving and such but you are much more familiar with finite than infinite which is something I think I can safely say you (and no one) have never truly experienced. Otherwise I would assume you would still be experiencing it. That seems a little like hell to me.
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I find it harder to imagine something just stops.
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I see what your saying...
Infinite amounts of space.
Infinite amounts of probabilities...
So since space is endless, even things with low probabilities would happen.
Actually...EVERYTHING that was probable or possible WOULD happen!
Amazing!
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It doesnt "stop." There is not outside the universe, that's impossible by definition. I always figured if you went through one side of the universe, you would come out on the other side, but I'm probably way over-simplifying things.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: g00ru]
#7906474 - 01/20/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I dont hink the idea of looping back is ridiculous, but i think we will ever be able to go fats enough to find the edge even if there is one.
i think about this stuff alot but try and comeup with my own thoughts onit as alot of the latest theories are really stabs in the dark (no pun intended)
im very interested in gravity and dark energy/matter and suns births and deaths as its these that create life in the first place, i admire them for theyre beuty and try not to question whats behind them because as far as we know all that exists is stars, planets, galaxys and forces, the rest is just speculation.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: g00ru]
#7906739 - 01/20/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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guruu said: I always figured if you went through one side of the universe, you would come out on the other side, but I'm probably way over-simplifying things.
Just like Pacman!
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you cant get to the edge tho. Its expands to fast.
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You know those pictures from equasions. I think the universe is like that.
And since the universe is expanding and accelerating it can't be going light speed if nothing can go faster then light.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Cubie]
#7908547 - 01/21/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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What if it's very possible for things to travel faster than light? What if it's a very natural and innate ability for even us as humans to do this, we just haven't discovered how yet?
No one "created" fire. Someone figured out how to use what they ALREADY had in a way they previously had not.
We've already got everything we need to do anything we want.
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Well this book I've read says that imagining the universe's expansion as galaxies moving farther away from each other in space is inaccurate. Apparently, a more accurate way to think of it would be space itself actually expanding, and carrying the galaxies with it.
Somehow it's predicted that space is finite.
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Ell Ess Bree said: What if it's very possible for things to travel faster than light? What if it's a very natural and innate ability for even us as humans to do this, we just haven't discovered how yet?
No one "created" fire. Someone figured out how to use what they ALREADY had in a way they previously had not.
We've already got everything we need to do anything we want.
E = mc2 says that the Energy (E) required to propel a mass (m) at the speed of light (c) would itself need to be infinite. So its impossible.
Robert Greene's book and movie "The Elegant Universe" and Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" are both must haves if you're interested in these things.
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The edge expanding wouldn't keep you from getting to it because as you get closer you would be expanding closer and closer to it's actual rate. I.e the space is actually expanding, it's not some boundary line that is just moving away. so as you got closer to the edge you would start to move with the edge (as you already are, but I guess think of it like a loaf of bread baking up in the oven, the raisins or whatever near the center are going to move less distance than the ones by the edge as it rises). So reaching the edge is possible and looping is not ridiculous. Actually I am pretty sure that is the commonly excepted theory.
I think that you would at least get to the edge hit it and come right back out where you went in because of the curvature of space or you might actually jump clear to the other side. Think of reflections in a glass vase or something. Something convex.
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Robert Greene's book and movie "The Elegant Universe" and Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" are both must haves if you're interested in these things.
it's true, you can actually watch the whole "Elegant Universe" movie on the PBS website. It's really cool. I believe it is Brian Greene though for those who may look.
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undergrounder said: E = mc2 says that the Energy (E) required to propel a mass (m) at the speed of light (c) would itself need to be infinite. So its impossible.
I do not doubt this for a minute, brother.
You might want to read my first post in this thread over again? That might help make sense of what I was getting at. If not... I can help?

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No one can say anything is impossible.
We know so little - but think we know so much.
We've simply created our own realm of measurement and scientific conclusion, based on our incredibly limited scope of.. everything.
There is most likely a feasible unlimited energy source.
Well... not feasible at this point in time, though.
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Ell Ess Bree said: I do not doubt this for a minute, brother.
You might want to read my first post in this thread over again? That might help make sense of what I was getting at. If not... I can help?

I did read it again, but i don't think i'm high enough to understand it. Granted light, mass and energy are all constructs based on our current scientific knowledge, but we haven't yet faced a single anomoly that would prove that equation wrong. If there's something in the non-physical maths bit, can you explain that?
I'm not sure if this is what you were saying in that post, but if mathematics is true, and is a universal truth (which we don't have a single reason to doubt that it's not), then it will be true now, in a billion years, on Earth and in hyperspace. And everywhere and at every time, nothing can travel faster than light. There isn't enough energy in the entire universe to propel a single atom faster than the speed of light. Only light can travel like light, things with mass can't.
If we want to say that "we don't know the future, anything is possible", then we have to ignore the thousands of years of learning done in the past. And unless there's a very real reason for thinking that things might change (like the very nature of mathematics itself) then it's all just pure imagination and fantasy.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Drewwyann]
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Drewwyann said: A topic I often think about while tripping.
If space is infinite, and infinite constitutes infinity. Doesn't that mean that there has to be a planet made of Will Smiths?
Infinity. No end. Something without an end has everything contained with in it.
The idea that space isn't infinite is even harder to grasp than the idea that space is infinite.
What are your thoughts on the matter?
If there are limits to space does that mean you can measure a velocity relative to a point in space and therefore an absolute velocity?
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When they measured the velocity of the earth relative to the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)is that an absolute velocity? The CMBR is believed to be blackbody radiation left over from the big bang.
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Everything is abstract. Even the physical is abstract. Everything is what your consciousness makes it out to be. How are you able to think of a planet of Will Smiths in the first place? I do believe it's there, it's just that its your creation beyond the physical realm and beyond anyone's physical perception.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: auxiliary]
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Here's an interesting article about pre-Einstein relativity, ie. the aether theory (more classical than Einstein's aether theory). In Larmor's and Lorentz's aether theories, mass, length and time transformations are a function of the velocity relative to the aether and not the observer as in Einstein's theory (special relativity). Gravity may be an aether density gradient and not curved space. Maybe space is infinite and the event horizon around our universe is simply an aether density gradient and not space curving back on itself.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/24/2063601/physics/McCormmach-Lorentz-1970.PDF
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Re: the infinite space [Re: cubicle]
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i read a book by michael chriton about time travel and it was pretty cool cause it talked about how at any given time there are an infinite amount of different realities that are happening at once. the people in the book found a way to travel to the seperate realities, and essentially thats how they time travelled. but just think about the word infinite. infinite means that every single thing that has happened or will happen in your life is a seperate reality. this applys to every single human being on the planet. you couldnt even begin to think of all of the possible realities that could be happening. its a crazy thing to think about. talk about mindfuck.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: jw2234]
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I don't get why this is generating so much debate considering where it is being discussed. In my experiences, and these align with those of my friends, tripping opens up one's perception to seeing the potential for an infinite number of outcomes to every single moment, so much that you realize that your "moment" in time is simply one of an infinite number of possible and actual moments/universes/realities/dimensions/etc. So this in itself suggests to me that the spatial constraints of our universes are in essence irrelevant because in order to "travel" any measurable or productive distance in space, an object/person would need find away "around" the barrier of the speed of light.
Basically, I think that before thinking of space- a spatial environment- as an infinite, we should first think of reality, which has the potential for an unlimited number of outcomes from every instance in existence, as infinite.
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Ell Ess Bree said: What if it's very possible for things to travel faster than light? What if it's a very natural and innate ability for even us as humans to do this, we just haven't discovered how yet?
No one "created" fire. Someone figured out how to use what they ALREADY had in a way they previously had not.
We've already got everything we need to do anything we want.
E = mc2 says that the Energy (E) required to propel a mass (m) at the speed of light (c) would itself need to be infinite. So its impossible.
Robert Greene's book and movie "The Elegant Universe" and Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" are both must haves if you're interested in these things.
No it doesn't, it states that if you multiply the mass of something by the speed of light squared, you get the energy content of that mass.
Space can expand faster than the speed of light because it is massless. That which has mass however cannot move at the speed of light.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: crkhd]
#10881962 - 08/18/09 11:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This universe is composed of:
70% dark energy, 25% dark matter and 5% of normal matter. Therefore meaning, we can only see 5% of our own universe. Although this is a theory, or a theoretical model, it makes you think. If we can only see 5% of our OWN universe, then that makes the theory of multi-verses, multiple dimensions, different overtones on each dimension, parallel-universes existing simultaneously, etc. all the more plausible.
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Re: the infinite space [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said: I dont hink the idea of looping back is ridiculous, but i think we will ever be able to go fats enough to find the edge even if there is one.
i think about this stuff alot but try and comeup with my own thoughts onit as alot of the latest theories are really stabs in the dark (no pun intended)
im very interested in gravity and dark energy/matter and suns births and deaths as its these that create life in the first place, i admire them for theyre beuty and try not to question whats behind them because as far as we know all that exists is stars, planets, galaxys and forces, the rest is just speculation.
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Chronic777 said: I dont hink the idea of looping back is ridiculous, but i think we will ever be able to go fats enough to find the edge even if there is one.
i think about this stuff alot but try and comeup with my own thoughts onit as alot of the latest theories are really stabs in the dark (no pun intended)
im very interested in gravity and dark energy/matter and suns births and deaths as its these that create life in the first place, i admire them for theyre beuty and try not to question whats behind them because as far as we know all that exists is stars, planets, galaxys and forces, the rest is just speculation.
WOW, i so happy that since i made this post i actually found the Infinite
Thats one fast awakening!
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