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OfflineHongKongChewy
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pan caster???????????
    #790414 - 08/01/02 11:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are these the fabled pan casters i keep hearing so much about?



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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: HongKongChewy]
    #790729 - 08/01/02 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Those look more like subbs to me, in fact they look just like some of the subbs I found two days ago...except for the ones on the far right, could be casters, but either way I would say they are active panns...I now can tell just by looking at them...based on countless field researcg. If the spore prints are jet black, then you have subbs, smokey/purple/grey/black then they are casters.

Cheers...nice pics, nice find


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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #790814 - 08/01/02 03:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so happy to hear that. I find these all over my yard all the time and i used to just pick handfuls of them and just throw them at people and had no idea they were active. I'm sure ive wasted a good pound of them over the course of the summer. Thanks for the news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: HongKongChewy]
    #790853 - 08/01/02 03:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

High,

First let me just clarify something,
Panaeolus castaneifolius give black spore prints.
Panaeolus subbalteatus also give black spores.

The spores of Panaeolina foenisecii are dark brown.

The photograph on the far right are Panaeolina foenisecii.
-I suspect this because the stems are a palid white color..

The mushroom in the next picture with your hand in it,
Is probably Panaeolina foenisecii,
-But definately not a Pan caster.

The next photo with the 25cent piece in it has,
..no i do not think those are Pan casters either.
I am not sure of the one left of the quarter,
But would say that you may have some
Panaeolus subbalteatus' there.

The last photo of the two mushrooms in the grass..
I would go with Panaeolus subbalteatus on those too.
-Neither look to be casters,

Keep shroomin,
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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #790907 - 08/01/02 04:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

all the mushrooms that I find in my yard always have black gills when they mature
and brown gills when they are younger. Also most of them develope a dark ring around the cap upon maturity.


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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: HongKongChewy]
    #791058 - 08/01/02 05:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Reefering back to some of Gartz and Allens data Listing of all known Panaeolina and Panaeolus species recorded throughout the whole world;

Panaeolina foenisecii
Panaeolina rhombisperma
Panaeolina sagarae
Panaeolina microsperma
Panaeolina sagarae
Panaeolina microsperma

Panaeolus ater
Panaeolus casteneifolius
Panaeolus fimicola
Panaeolus microsporus
Panaeolus moellerianus = Panaeolus subbalteatus
Panaeolus olivaceus (sometimes confused with P. castaneifolius)
Panaeolus papilionaceus (In-active) (= P. campanulatus)
Panaeolus retirugis
Panaeolus rubricaulis = P. campanuloides
Panaeolus subbalteatus = P. venenosus
Panaeolus venezolanus = P. annulatus

There are more than that even,

Research some of the ones listed up above and maybe you will land on the correct Shroom identification.


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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: HongKongChewy]
    #791168 - 08/01/02 06:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The ones in the grass on the bottom look like some of the Subbs I find growing out of grass. The rest are worthless as far as hallucinating goes.


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Re: pan caster??????????? [Re: Remy]
    #791286 - 08/01/02 07:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have found casters that look almost exactly like the mushrooms on the far left, this is why I suggested that...but said to take a sporeprint to be sure. The one in the hand does look the most like foenescii...but again a sporeprint can be the only way to be close to sure. All the other pics are 96.7% subbalteus...at least according to me...but as I have said before a sporeprint is useful here too.

Remember depending on where you live, what substrate they are growing on (ie type of grass, fertilizers etc.) and other conditions a mushroom will have variations.

Cheers..and thanks for that list of paneaolina GG, I have only ever seen a couple of those species named before...cheers again.


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- Mr. Mushrooms

RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together.

St Thomas


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    #791356 - 08/01/02 08:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #791730 - 08/02/02 01:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I was wondering who would catch that...you are correct Greek...hehe


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"...I found dozens of single specimens.  That's what I call hunting.  There are only a few "good" hunters here, even now.  You're certainly in that group.  I would imagine if we hunted together we'd find our styles are similar."
- Mr. Mushrooms

RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together.

St Thomas


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    #791904 - 08/02/02 06:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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