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should i even bother
    #7903639 - 01/19/08 09:12 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i have alot of powder and dry cactus and was just wondering it i should even bother with extracting, all those chemicals really make me nervous about eating the end product if i just boiled the powder how much should i eat?


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Re: should i even bother [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7903808 - 01/19/08 10:08 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

damn, if you really took the time to let the chemicals evaporate, it should be fine...

sometimes chemicals can get trapped in areas where it takes things a long time to evaporate. You've made hash oil with alchohol? you ought to know just because it's dry, doesn't mean the alchohol is really going to evaporate anytime soon, it can take forever. See if you can spread the powder evenly so there's almost ONLY surface area of what you're trying to evaporate, then wait a few days after it LOOKS dry, and take the smallest taste, you ought to be able to taste anything, although i don't know..... some chemicals are pretty toxic.

the thing with mescaline for me was.. it took too long, i peaked on the second day every time. i wonder if the indians took something to lower their tolerance like an maoi, so they could take less, and maybe something else that made it last shorter... ????? don't know..... fascinating experience though.
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Re: should i even bother [Re: imachavel]
    #7903823 - 01/19/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Just boil it!


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Re: should i even bother [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7903882 - 01/19/08 10:35 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

just eat it id say


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Re: should i even bother [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7904167 - 01/20/08 12:07 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Do the extraction, you'll be glad you did.



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Re: should i even bother [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7904174 - 01/20/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Do the extraction, you'll be glad you did.






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Re: should i even bother [Re: Feanor]
    #7905060 - 01/20/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

thanks i started last night and its going swimmingly:thumbup: although the xylene i spilled on my floor made me pretty woozy im pretty upset about that.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7905325 - 01/20/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

So how long is mescaline supposed to last? 14 hours? Peaking on the second day? :strokebeard:


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Re: should i even bother [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7905334 - 01/20/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

its gonna be depend on how much you take among other things. definitely had the bulk of a trip last over 17 hours, and almost always have a body buzz in the days to follow. You might go to sleep feeling baseline, then wake up with a slight glow and head-space from the day before.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7905358 - 01/20/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

That is quite the marathon!

So when doing mecaline, if being a working man such as myself, plan to have two days to waste ahead of you? Have you ever been bored of the trip?

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Re: should i even bother [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7905776 - 01/20/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I'd give it closer to 10-14 hours depending on dosage. Depending on how sober your usual baseline is, and how large of a dose you took, noticeable effects could last up to 2, heck maybe even 3 days. If you're really sensitive. But, I wouldn't call it a proper trip after 14 hours, though.

Unless you are getting some sort of time-release formula, that is.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: 04281969]
    #7905881 - 01/20/08 01:48 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I think it's so much better to just eat the cactus rather than pure mescaline.

If you prep' it right, you won't get sick and you'll trip very hard.

You get out of it what you put into it...

Besides an extraction of only the mescaline leaves all kinds of fun chemicals behind!


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Re: should i even bother [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7905941 - 01/20/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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I think it's so much better to just eat the cactus rather than pure mescaline.

If you prep' it right, you won't get sick and you'll trip very hard.

You get out of it what you put into it...

Besides an extraction of only the mescaline leaves all kinds of fun chemicals behind!




Oh really? How many extractions have you done? Sounds like a shit method. Exactly which chemicals are you leaving behind in your extraction?

Done properly, it can be very clean.
Lower in fiber than cactus, but very clean.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7905968 - 01/20/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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So how long is mescaline supposed to last? 14 hours? Peaking on the second day? :strokebeard:




For me mescaline was no longer than an acid trip.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: 04281969]
    #7906744 - 01/20/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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I'd give it closer to 10-14 hours depending on dosage. Depending on how sober your usual baseline is, and how large of a dose you took, noticeable effects could last up to 2, heck maybe even 3 days. If you're really sensitive. But, I wouldn't call it a proper trip after 14 hours, though.

Unless you are getting some sort of time-release formula, that is.




yea it is definitely dose dependent. Of course when i said 17 hours and still maintaining a marked trippy head space, i was talking of the kind of dose where the peak is a complete disconnect from physical reality.

The kind of dose that is most commonly referred to here at the shroomery is the kind where the individual walks away from the experience thinking that mescaline "isn't that visual" lol.

At small doses it wouldn't last any longer than acid, and wouldn't be that impressive visually, you would still have the impression of controlling the experience, and its an all around good time. Very therapeutic i would say.

It takes a bit to figure out how potent your material is though. Eventually you may find yourself taking up to 160+ grams to really go deep. Then the cactus can show its "fireworks", among other truly ineffable things.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7909697 - 01/21/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

160+ grams? Now that's a heavy dose.

I've never taken anything like that amount, but when everything is all dreamy and wavy, caving in on itself and repeated, I'm about as far as I want to go. After the point where I'm melted, I feel like I'll quit breathing or my heart will stop on me or something.

What extraction method are you using? Do you make a tea, mescaline, just cap it?

I really can't imagine that 160+ grams is anything close to fun.


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Re: should i even bother [Re: 04281969]
    #7910527 - 01/21/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

i've gotten a lot of arguments that it couldn't last longer than a day or two, don't ask me...

when i took it, a few times, each time i definately peaked well into the second day, first day was a whole day of the coming up high, and the third day the coming day high, so for me, i'd take the 1-2 hours of coming up on acid, the 3-5 peaking, and the 5-12 hours of maintaining and coming down, and multiply that times 6 or something, everyones different... i got this experience from the cactus itself each time(growing some, takes awhile, but worth it! especially if you leave your cactus in the sun in florida, in good soil, with an ocasional good dose of cactus fertilizer once every month or so. ANyway......

just to be safe, plan to have 3 days off, especially since, mescaline is rare, so if you take it the first day, and don't feel anything, you'll probably want to take more the second day, smoke some pot, or whatever. Mescaline to me feels like the cleanest acid you've ever felt, really natural, kind of heavy in the body... tired at some points for some reason........

still wondering if the indians had different techniques...
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