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straasha
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Your thoughts please, if you have any.
#7902716 - 01/19/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
What does this mean... to you.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7902774 - 01/19/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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You gotta get REALLY fukin lucky and get a badass job
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7902800 - 01/19/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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straasha said: The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
what kind of a competition are we talking about here?
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straasha
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: elbisivni]
#7904680 - 01/20/08 03:40 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Were not talking about an actual competition. I'm just interested in people's reactions to this statement.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7904682 - 01/20/08 03:41 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Then generally, I agree with you.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: elbisivni]
#7904691 - 01/20/08 03:50 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion
The always is very important here as is identifying the idealist with the moral man... do you still agree?
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7904694 - 01/20/08 03:54 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Well, yeah - depending on how you define life in terms of losing and winning. I admire people who love what they do and I enjoy being one of those people. That's not to say that people with passion who aren't afraid to act on it are without morality.. though, some sure are
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Edited by elbisivni (01/20/08 03:56 AM)
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7904745 - 01/20/08 05:20 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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You are assuming that a moral idealist goes against his nature. A moral idealist can be driven by "passion commitment and goal" which is given a whole new level by the complete conviction that it is the right thing to do.
A moral idealist can love his work for more reasons, thus have more reinforcements in place, thus be more driven to give it his absolute very best.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: Asante]
#7904750 - 01/20/08 05:23 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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You are assuming that a moral idealist goes against his nature
What? Where?
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7904770 - 01/20/08 05:52 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
You are assuming that a moral idealist isn't driven by his love and passion but does things because of a rationale. That often isn't the case. Moral idealists tend to be driven by passion and have the moral/idealist rationale to fortify this effect.
If you love to do something and consider it right on every possible level then you are far better motivated than if you merely love to do something.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: Asante]
#7904796 - 01/20/08 06:19 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Good. Thank you for answering the question.
Anyone else? what do these words mean to you?.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7904891 - 01/20/08 07:54 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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straasha said: The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
What does this mean... to you.
A man working for the right reasons may be less likely to neglect other things in his life, like family, than a man who is committed to his work as you described.
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straasha
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: WScott]
#7904971 - 01/20/08 08:43 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I don't think Work = Job in this statement.
Probably closer in meaning to life. Maybe those works that increase and expand one's quality of life... maybe...
I'm asking this question because i was asked it myself and I'd like to see this community's take on it.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7906158 - 01/20/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Seems like it's an ideal vs. passion type of question.
Passion has the ability to cause singlemindedness more that idealism I'd say. Also can cause someone to devote more time and mental energy towards a project. If you are passionate about something you'll be thinking about it and problem solving even when you aren't actually doing the work.
Whereas doing a good job just because it's the right thing to do, makes a situation where it's ok to fail. You know, "Well I did the best I could". 
If you're really passionate about something failure isn't an option you're willing to accept.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7906211 - 01/20/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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straasha said: The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
I'm not sure you can necessarily divorce those two types of personality. Often the moral idealist is passionate about his ideas, just as much as the man who does his work for the "right" reasons is commited passionately to those reasons.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7906600 - 01/20/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
straasha said: The moral idealist will always loose to the man of passion, commitment and goal. A man who loves his work is a rare man indeed and he will always triumph over the moral man-the man who does his work for the "right" reasons
What does this mean... to you.
Being is better than shoulding.
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: Icelander]
#7906609 - 01/20/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I try never to use the word "should".
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: WordlessNature]
#7906638 - 01/20/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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To me, this means you have yet to grasp that morality doesn't exist as a universal law. What are the "right" reasons?
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: Boots]
#7908492 - 01/21/08 05:02 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Cool, this is good. Anyone else?
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7908958 - 01/21/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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I can't get the difference between them sharp enough to make a statement. Morals and ideals can be absolute parts of of a mans committed and passionated goal (and vice versa) - both can be wrong
Edited by BlueCoyote (01/21/08 10:13 AM)
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: straasha]
#7910422 - 01/21/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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passion, commitment, and goals are not moral ideals??
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straasha
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Re: Your thoughts please, if you have any. [Re: backfromthedead]
#7913612 - 01/22/08 02:42 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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No. Whether passion commitment and goals are "good" or "bad" is a moral ideal, in and of themselves they are not. Does this help any?
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