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LuNaTiX
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Everyone
#7902605 - 01/19/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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if everyone cared more about the people around them then them selves, this would be a better world.
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straasha
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Re: Everyone [Re: LuNaTiX]
#7902619 - 01/19/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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What?
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elbisivni

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Re: Everyone [Re: LuNaTiX]
#7902635 - 01/19/08 05:28 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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if nobody flushed their toilets, septic tanks would be cleaner.
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Icelander
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Re: Everyone [Re: LuNaTiX]
#7905715 - 01/20/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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LuNaTiX said: if everyone cared more about the people around them then them selves, this would be a better world.
This is an ugly false statement IMO. It reeks of self loathing and is impossible to boot. How many times do we have to address this non-sense?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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EternalCowabunga
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Why does that reek of self loathing?.. sorry, you are projecting like you so often point out other people doing when they call you cynical
lunatix is right by the way, obviously this world would be better if we all looked out for each other rather than our immediate self satisfaction
"ask not what humanity can do for you, but what you can do for humanity"
unlike what icelander usually declares, that he is a lone warrior and we should all be lone warriors who are strong on our own, humans are social animals and we all have a role to play. humanity is like a hand and we are all fingers on that hand inseparable from it. if one finger becomes detached, the whole hand suffers. this is why people frown on suicide, because it harms all of humanity.
now you might say "good, if he was stupid or useless enough to commit suicide, he has cleaned up the gene pool a little". what you aren't taking into account is how much sorrow he has brought on the people who loved him and how much love he will never be able to share with the world.
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Re: Everyone [Re: LuNaTiX] 1
#7906185 - 01/20/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Not at all. You have to care about yourself first in order to care about others. And not to mention the fact that merely "caring more" would probably not provide enough incentive for people to get off their lazy asses and change the world.
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EternalCowabunga
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i think by caring more he implies carrying more, taking action to do what you can to help other people. i agree that we have to take care of ourselves, but some people are just plain selfish.
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I would advise against value in this sort of argument. In other words, avoid looking at the problem in terms of "more" or "less"; it is not a matter of caring more for others or for yourself.
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Icelander
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EternalCowabunga said: Why does that reek of self loathing?.. sorry, you are projecting like you so often point out other people doing when they call you cynical
lunatix is right by the way, obviously this world would be better if we all looked out for each other rather than our immediate self satisfaction
"ask not what humanity can do for you, but what you can do for humanity"
unlike what icelander usually declares, that he is a lone warrior and we should all be lone warriors who are strong on our own, humans are social animals and we all have a role to play. humanity is like a hand and we are all fingers on that hand inseparable from it. if one finger becomes detached, the whole hand suffers. this is why people frown on suicide, because it harms all of humanity.
now you might say "good, if he was stupid or useless enough to commit suicide, he has cleaned up the gene pool a little". what you aren't taking into account is how much sorrow he has brought on the people who loved him and how much love he will never be able to share with the world.
 
Please. The world would in no way be better off if people looked out for others before themselves.
But besides that it's impossible and this conversation is moldy I've had it so many times. We are all self-serving animals. We cannot be otherwise and even if you help another it's always because we think it is right, good, better, whatever. We value the action for ourselves.
unlike what icelander usually declares, that he is a lone warrior and we should all be lone warriors who are strong on our own, humans are social animals and we all have a role to play. humanity is like a hand and we are all fingers on that hand inseparable from it. if one finger becomes detached, the whole hand suffers. this is why people frown on suicide, because it harms all of humanity.
Please before you put words into another's mouth have a small clue about what you are talking about. The above is not "icelanders" philosophy and you are ignorant to think it. The rest of the statement has no bearing on the value of putting others before oneself. One can easily be self serving and still do for others and put value on being connected with others.
I can't believe what you say about suicide. We, each of us decide how to feel about anything and no action of another that doesn't hurt our physical body can make us feel anything unless we choose it. If that was true then each of us would feel the same about anything that anyone did.
So if someone kills themselves because they are in unbearable pain then that somehow hurts society. IMO that belief is just ugly and selfish and it doesn't surprise me that you would hold it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Bullshit. People worrying about other people is why the world is in such a state.
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Icelander
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Re: Everyone [Re: Boots]
#7906659 - 01/20/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I would be nice to know exactly what you are saying here.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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straasha
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Mod edit: No flaming in this forum. If you do it again, you will be banned.
Edited by Diploid (01/20/08 09:25 PM)
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Icelander
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Re: Everyone [Re: straasha]
#7906970 - 01/20/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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i'm dunk.
Do you mean to say "I'm dumb" or "I'm dick"?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/20/08 07:11 PM)
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EternalCowabunga
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i'm sorry that i disgusted and surprised you, icelander. all my debating here will now be based off the bible. the bible is truth. deal with it.
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The bible is truth? On which evidence do you base this statement of yours?
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Love Cap
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seriously? the bible?
and icelander, aren't you one to make sure the rules are followed? no calling names here. 
eternalcowabunga; i am curious to know what you think our role here might be? because i somewhat agree. We are the only animals on the planet that have this complex of a mind, and the ability to create technology. For the most part, we've used this ability to make ourselves more comfortable. but what have we really done so far? right now we're just a bunch of slightly advanced apes that have made a bunch of junk and right now we're choking out the earth! doesn't it seem like we should be doing something more productive with our consciousness?
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Because god and the devil compete with my mind on the television and through songs when I read the Bible. So far, God is winning. He made sure I watched The Matrix tonight to really understand what I was getting myself into
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EternalCowabunga
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eternalcowabunga; i am curious to know what you think our role here might be?
I think we are suppose to dream up a better tomorrow and try and create that reality rather than simply give in to all our desires and base unconscious animal drives; to leave a good world for the next generation rather than destroy the Earth. I refuse to believe that we are destined to destroy ourselves because we simply "don't have it in us" to make a plan and stick with it rather than numb our minds.
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Love Cap
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the television isn't the devil; it's big brother trying to control you... no need to be scared of hell though!
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Love Cap
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Re: Everyone [Re: Love Cap]
#7907232 - 01/20/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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i agree with you completely. now how do we get this message out more?
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