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drunkmanfuu
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question about wild bird seed
#7902281 - 01/19/08 03:56 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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In a rather ironic mistake, me and my friend followed this tek 100% exactly, except we bought Pennington's Finch Food thinking it was rye seed labeled and packaged as bird food and used that instead of actual rye seed. Now my question is if we followed that tek exactly (up to inoculation; we didn't incubate) , were extremely careful with contams and and our entire process, when can we expect to see mycelial growth? It has been 8 days and there is none. I am losing hope.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: drunkmanfuu]
#7902332 - 01/19/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Penningtons Finch Seed works great and I don't see why it wouldn't work using Magash's tek. It could be that your incubation temperature is too hot or cold or that you don't have viable spores.
FYI- I actually used Pennington's Finch Seed for the WBS method in my sig below.
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drunkmanfuu
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7902355 - 01/19/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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The jars are kept in my closet, and the temperature ranges from 62-68 degrees F throughout the day.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: drunkmanfuu]
#7902364 - 01/19/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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drunkmanfuu said: The jars are kept in my closet, and the temperature ranges from 62-68 degrees F throughout the day.
That's definitely a problem. You need to make an incubator like the one in that tek. At 62-68F, you will be waiting a LONG time for those jars to colonize.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7902393 - 01/19/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I use wbs as well have noticed if you use higher temps you may have more chance of contams at the same time you will have alot faster myc growth, my jars sit in a drawyer by my heat source and sometimes gets up to 85 most of the time starts around 75 but my wbs does rather well like that i have lost a few jars do to contams but not enough to cry about and i believe the contams were caused by my carlessness in knocking up that set since 3 out of 4 got contaimed. I would suggest incrreasing your heat for sure if its colonizing that slow if you have nothing showing you dont have much to loose,
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7902421 - 01/19/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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As long as they will eventually colonize (be fully colonized by about 2.5 months) then I don't care too much. The jars won't go bad or anything if they just sit for that long though will they? My main concern is that we followed a rye seed tek thinking that our bird seed was rye. Wondering if that will cause any problems.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: TobesCanaian]
#7902428 - 01/19/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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TobesCanaian said: I use wbs as well have noticed if you use higher temps you may have more chance of contams at the same time you will have alot faster myc growth
You've got it all wrong bro. You WANT fast myc growth so that contaminants don't have a chance to take hold.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: drunkmanfuu]
#7902451 - 01/19/08 04:44 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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drunkmanfuu said: As long as they will eventually colonize (be fully colonized by about 2.5 months) then I don't care too much.
In that amount of time, the substrate could dry up and stop myc growth. on top of that, your giving contaminants a chance to grow(see above).
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The jars won't go bad or anything if they just sit for that long though will they? My main concern is that we followed a rye seed tek thinking that our bird seed was rye. Wondering if that will cause any problems.
The type of seed doesn't matter much here. Basically, if you followed that tek, then your finch seed is hydrated and ready just like the rye would be. Your problem is your incubation temperatures.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7902489 - 01/19/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Alright thanks a lot. Looks like we need to do a little re-prioritizing. I guess I'll set up an incubator then.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: drunkmanfuu]
#7902929 - 01/19/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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only 8 days and you are worried? Give it another week
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#7902980 - 01/19/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I see two different camps here. The one that thinks higher temps are better, and the one that thinks lower temps are better. This obviously is a matter of conjecture. I do know one thing. put spores on a petri dish and put bacteria on another petri dish..... Put them in an incubator at relatively high temperatures and see who wins. Do the same with cubensis spores and trich spores. Who wins. Hands down, trich and bacteria will slaughter mushroom mycelium EVERY TIME! My jars are held at a steady 68F Slow and steady is the name of my game. Here is my current jars 6 days after spawning G2G.
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7903014 - 01/19/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Ya i understand that i want the myc to grow faster and thats why i use this particular method however from what i read the higher temps cause contamination alot easier, for me its worth the risk cause well I dont have probs with contams other then that one syringe, haha my logic may not have been quite correct but the reasons were the same haha:D
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7903070 - 01/19/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yes trich and other molds do colonize faster, but that's the point of sterilizing or pastuerizing the substrate- to help eliminate or minimize the bacteria, spores, endospores, etc so that the myc and/or spores can take hold of the substrate before these potential contaminants do. Why use lower temps that slow the myc down and give endospores a chance to germinate?
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: FooMan]
#7903083 - 01/19/08 07:21 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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shroomey1, jars a little full arent they?
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#7903595 - 01/19/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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one of the issues ive run into with WBS is the inconsistency, if you are used to a particular type of WBS its fine, but once you try a different brand you tend to get different results in the hydration process, ive done the same tek on different brands with totally different hydration levels at the end
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#7903613 - 01/19/08 09:05 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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LOL! Yes they are Tahoe. In an earlier thread I posted the fact that I found a fully colonized jar of ecuador hiding in the far reaches of my stand up dresser. I put it into a large clean bowl and mixed it with some prepped WBS. I mixed in the bowl until everything was THOROUGHLY at an individual grain level. I filled the jars all the way up since there was going to be no need for shaking later. I of course tempted the contamination gods in front of a flowhood. So far so good don't you think?
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Re: question about wild bird seed [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7904698 - 01/20/08 03:56 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Shroomy 1 ,They look nice and fluffy!
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