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OfflineWolverino
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    #7900672 - 01/19/08 07:41 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

can anyone give me a good, descriptive definition of whats considered a "breakthrough" experience ?. I'm looking for a answer of something rather than "if you have one you'll know it".
experienced shrooms and recently Salvia, I'd like to know if those experiences are "breakthroughs" . thanks.


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Re: define [Re: Wolverino]
    #7900679 - 01/19/08 07:45 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

well i would say you would know you broke through. yesterday i tripped on salvia and i knew i didnt break through. I didn't have much visuals but i had a strong sensation in my body of being completely separated into 2 halves. I did have slight visual distortions but thats about it. if you tripped similar to mine, then it probably wasnt a breakthrough.


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Re: define [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7900704 - 01/19/08 08:00 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

the most recent one i felt my legs became candy canes, a hand lifted me up and laid me in my bed, and i felt like i became smoke and floated out a chimney, i've had a bad experience once where i was so completely confused that i was scared i was "stuck" the way i felt and i would have to forever focus on life and my thoughts just to exsist.


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Re: define [Re: Wolverino]
    #7900708 - 01/19/08 08:03 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

you might have broken through i am not sure.


My trip was similar in yours in that it was mostly sensation that made my trip. I didn't actually see my self getting pulled apart, but the feeling was so true.


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Re: define [Re: Wolverino]
    #7900779 - 01/19/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

The term "Breakthrough" is so subjective, it almost doesn't mean anything. From what you've said, I wouldn't exactly call that a breakthrough experience, but like I said, it's very subjective.

Just experiment with it and don't specifically set a goal to "breakthrough". It will happen soon enough.

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Re: define [Re: Jraft]
    #7900867 - 01/19/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

yeah thats right. i think ill try to store my salvia somehow in the meantime and wait till im calm and ready to do it again.


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Re: define [Re: Wolverino]
    #7900901 - 01/19/08 09:40 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

As far as I know, there is no "breakthrough" with mushrooms. The same can be said for marijuana, mescaline, alcohol, etc. The more you take, the stronger you trip.

Savlia, on the other hand, has a threshold amount that needs to saturate the K-opioid receptors in your brain. This will result in a breakthrough experience.

With the drugs I mentioned earlier, you get more and more drunk, or more and more high, step by step. You can feel the buzz come in increments.

With Salvia, you take one hit, and get a slight buzz or funny feeling. Take another one and you'll begin laughing. Or it may take you a few more. But the final hit is like jumping off of the cliff, where the first few were small steps towards it.

That final hit and you are done. There is no longer such a concept as taking another one, let alone any other memories or experiences from your natural life. You are in a completely new dimension where all you can do is learn about this world as it is the first time you've stepped into it.


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Re: define [Re: Richii]
    #7900994 - 01/19/08 10:13 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Richii, i have a question (sorry if i look as if im taking over the thread). My experience doesn't feel like it was a breakthrough experience, but it doesn't feel like i was just laughing or feeling funny. I truly felt as if i was in another world, but i didn't see anything that would convince me so. I didn't have any hallucinations, besides closed eyed ones, and those i don't even know for sure occured ( thought i saw the galaxies and what not, but when after a few seconds i just could see the inside of my eyelid, its almost like i wasn't concious when i was hallucinating).

And when i opened my eyes, i could still respond to what people said to me, but the feeling was so intense.

I guess i was on the borderline or something.


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Re: define [Re: Richii]
    #7901003 - 01/19/08 10:19 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

in physics you have
velocity (change in position over time)
accelleration (change in velocity over time) &
jerk (change in accelleration over time)

breakthrough is like jerk.

salvia is a rapid cycle psychedelic.
the intensity of mental state layering can be the same as with mushrooms but the accelleration into and out of that state are much higher.

occasionally the accelleration into the layered mental state is ramped in a very rough way, or you could call it a jerked accelleration, and that is the idea of the breakthrough.

no single particular aspect of experiencing is involved, instead it is the ramp of intensity of alteration that is recognized as the most astonishing "what the fuck!", and that can be your "breakthrough" if you like.


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Re: define [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7901019 - 01/19/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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shaftmonkey said:
Richii, i have a question (sorry if i look as if im taking over the thread). My experience doesn't feel like it was a breakthrough experience, but it doesn't feel like i was just laughing or feeling funny. I truly felt as if i was in another world, but i didn't see anything that would convince me so. I didn't have any hallucinations, besides closed eyed ones, and those i don't even know for sure occured ( thought i saw the galaxies and what not, but when after a few seconds i just could see the inside of my eyelid, its almost like i wasn't concious when i was hallucinating).

And when i opened my eyes, i could still respond to what people said to me, but the feeling was so intense.

I guess i was on the borderline or something.




I would not minimize this experience, nor would I be challenged by another person's description of their experience.
set setting and dosage govern what happens, but the interest in what is happenning and in what might happen is what lures you to try it and maybe to try it again.


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Re: define [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7901078 - 01/19/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Thanks. I definetely would like to experience it again, but I think I will wait a while until it is comfortable.


I have one more question, is it possible to store salvia extract for long periods of time?


Also i would be using a regular bowl and a torch lighter is that suitable?


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Re: define [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7901095 - 01/19/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

stores indefinitely in dark dry area,
regular bowl and regular lighter is best
torch lighter is a fallacy
it is actually not hot enough to vaporize salvinorin and it is hot enough to injure your throat and lungs.

just use a regular bic lighter
if you smoke it quickly and deliberately,
no salvinorin is left in the ash -
all of it is liberated by leaf burning and it is carried
as particulate liquid and solid salvinorin
in the smoke that is streaming into your lungs.

short pipe is best.
fast deep inhallation is best.


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Re: define [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7901169 - 01/19/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

that's great, because i have an unlimited supply of normal bic lighters, and only one torch lighter. I also have a short pipe.


Thanks for the help, and this time I will make sure i'm in the perfect setting. Also i've heard of the reverse tolerance thing, and so i might try out a technique making use of that one of the next times i trip.


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Re: define [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7901486 - 01/19/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Can anyone give me a good, descriptive definition of whats considered a "breakthrough" experience?





Complete ego loss.


I think this can happen on many entheogens including- Salvia, Ayahuasca, Cactus and Mushrooms.


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Re: define [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7924373 - 01/24/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

In my opinion, this sounds like a borderline experience. I know friends who can only get this far and have never broken through. One person described the feeling as if they were "sinking" or "feeling small". A very strange feeling indeed, like that of a different world.

Some people are more responsive than others. I was somewhat responsive to comments or suggestions, but not fully there when trying to talk. One particular friend I watched trip on savlia wasn't there at all. You could talk to him, question him, poke him, or anything else, and he reacted with the same blank stare right through you. A few minutes later he came around and began to communicate, and he described the experience as if we all began to melt into puddles. He couldn't understand the noises we were making. He just watched in amazement at our liquefied bodies.


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Re: define [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7924387 - 01/24/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
stores indefinitely in dark dry area,
regular bowl and regular lighter is best
torch lighter is a fallacy
it is actually not hot enough to vaporize salvinorin and it is hot enough to injure your throat and lungs.

just use a regular bic lighter
if you smoke it quickly and deliberately,
no salvinorin is left in the ash -
all of it is liberated by leaf burning and it is carried
as particulate liquid and solid salvinorin
in the smoke that is streaming into your lungs.

short pipe is best.
fast deep inhallation is best.




I have had much more success with a torch lighter and small bong than anything else. Inhale slowly and deeply, then hold in the hit for approximately 30 seconds. Salvinorin-A is a large molecule and takes time to be absorbed.

And it does degrade with time, but can be stored in a cool environment, away from air exchange or light.


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