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When is it the right age to tell your child...
#7900567 - 01/19/08 05:45 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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That the milk they're enjoying with their breakfast was massaged from a cow's tits?
When is it the right age to tell them that the meat on their sandwich is the murdered calf the milk was for?
When should you tell that the egg of their breakfast was produced by a feathered concentration camp inmate?
When to tell them that the mangled bodies of these tortured chickens, and the organ meat of her own calf, end up in the feed pellets fed to the cow?
I'm tripping and I'm at a loss. At which age is it right to tell your child that we fucked up?
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Black_Flag]
#7900575 - 01/19/08 05:53 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Black_Flag]
#7900578 - 01/19/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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i feel it could well be about the time they first seem to understand and appreciate the gravity of the concept of death. when they can know what it means.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900605 - 01/19/08 06:33 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: At which age is it right to tell your child that we fucked up?
And why exactly does that count as 'fucking up'?
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Thin White Duke]
#7900607 - 01/19/08 06:39 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Very few feed companies use cow by-product anymore. That's part of how mad cow disease got going.
Just take them to a farm. It's just a part of life there. Not a fun part, but a necessary part.
Don't put chickens on a pedestal man. They are kind of nasty and cannibalistic.
That's some nasty shit to think about while tripping. Go turn on some beautiful music and change the scene.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: mushbaby]
#7900627 - 01/19/08 07:04 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Very few feed companies use cow by-product anymore. That's part of how mad cow disease got going.
True, but said feed pellets still contain "animal protein" from other sources. Cows are meant to graze and eat grass in a pasture man.
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Don't put chickens on a pedestal man. They are kind of nasty and cannibalistic.
Perhaps, but would they be as nasty if given enough room to steer clear of another? Either way, there's no excuse to put them in a battery.
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That's some nasty shit to think about while tripping. Go turn on some beautiful music and change the scene.
The confrontation with the dark side was deliberately sought, not avoided. I don't think that "think happy thoughts" is a viable strategy. It's better to let the mushroom unfold as it does, and accept it as it comes. Its fighting the imagery and fighting the concepts that causes bad trips, not the imagery and concepts themselves.
When you trip you are on a quest of Acceptance. Accepting yourself, your trip, your life and your world in all of its guises. Including the unhappy stuff, especially the unhappy stuff in fact. At the moment I'm seriously considering adopting non-strict vegetarianism as a personal health and ethics choice. The cow & chicken sequence was bound to come up, and now it did.
In pre-loading for this trip I found the following video-clip very useful. Not the thing you'd like to watch when you want to have a happy-happy trip but definitely recommended to watch during the come-up like I did if you want to have a profound trip.
Pearl Jam - Do The Evolution
Essentially its the viewpoint of life as an ocean of suffering, known from for instance Hinduism and Buddhism.
I'm coming down now and I had a VERY GOOD trip. It was profound, personally significant, there was euphoria AND hard times, closed eye visuals, dissolving in the Now and being all over the place
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900641 - 01/19/08 07:16 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I agrea with cubie. Let it go as long as it can. Any one with half a brain is ganna fined out soon enuff anywho....
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900642 - 01/19/08 07:16 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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That was pretty awesome WS!
My personal choice is not to seek the unpleasantnesses in life. They thrust themselves upon me often enough. But to each his own.
It's always nice to come back with new inner sight.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: mushbaby]
#7900663 - 01/19/08 07:33 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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me, i just wouldn't give them food that involved enslavement or murder.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900664 - 01/19/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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It's never a good time to break bad news.
Turn on some tunes bro, no need to torture yourself this beautiful Saturday.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: mushbaby]
#7900666 - 01/19/08 07:35 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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My personal choice is not to seek the unpleasantnesses in life. They thrust themselves upon me often enough. But to each his own.
This may sound weird, but if you in a trip learn to better deal with the dark side of life, you will be better able to deal with life's ugliness when it happens.
When you trip you can unblock yourself and become a stronger person. It's all in what the Trip chooses to address and how you deal with it.
When tripping I'm willing to suffer, because in my experience with tripping it's the harder you work for it, the greater the reward.
Like that. And there's 15 years of shrooming experience in that insight!
If you trip, in my view, you got to at least be willing to suffer a bad trip if it all goes south. If you can't afford to perhaps have to make that sacrifice, then it isn't the right day to trip for you.
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Turn on some tunes bro, no need to torture yourself this beautiful Saturday. 
There was a rough spot or two but all in all I'm a very happy camper. There was great euphoria before and after dealing with it.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900677 - 01/19/08 07:44 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well now I agree to a point.
I lived for a few years with an abusive man. I knew I shouldn't stay but just couldn't leave. My last trip on blotter I was still with him. A good portion of the trip was listening to my mother and grandmothers voices (both deceased) telling me I had to go.
Wasn't an easy trip, but was a good one. But I didn't go looking for it. And I left within the next couple of months.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Black_Flag]
#7900791 - 01/19/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Black_Flag said: I say 1 day old. They're too fucking young to know what you're even saying, so you might as well say it early.
Better than having pussy Vegan kids.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900897 - 01/19/08 09:37 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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At which age is it right to tell your child that we fucked up?
Tell them their job is to fix it. And whenever they ask.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: Asante]
#7900920 - 01/19/08 09:48 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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at least till after they're done breast feeding,
b/c you might freak them out and they'll never be weaned.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: MrBump]
#7900982 - 01/19/08 10:10 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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'eh - tell 'em when they ask.
its not a big deal (to me, personally). animals have been used to provide nutrition for humans since the beginning of time. it just so happens there are a few billion more people on the planet now, and more efficient means of raising and slaughtering food sources have been developed.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: memes]
#7901058 - 01/19/08 10:36 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I would start teaching them about wise food choices now. If you are so concerned about their consumption and where it comes from make wise decisions for them and explain why. I only buy organic meats and dairy. It may be more expensive but, I know I feel better about what I am eating. A majority of the food I eat is vegetarian just because I limit the amount of meat I consume mainly because I don't always have a stomach for it. Rather than sharing all of the darkness tell them the advantages to making good food choices and take them to farms so they can see what it is like. They don't have to see ugliness. There is a lot of beauty in agriculture if it is done correctly. I had milk straight from the cow when I was small and I thought it was the best. I even got to help milk the cow. Very good experience for children. I also learned how to churn butter and it was a lot of fun. Those experiences as a child helped me to think about where my food came from as an adult.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: FunGuyFan]
#7901207 - 01/19/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I fail to see how the examples you provided means we fucked up. We used what resources we had to make life more comfortable for us. Sure, there are things that are fucked up in the world but I didn't see any listed.
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Re: When is it the right age to tell your child... [Re: FunGuyFan]
#7901209 - 01/19/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Wait till they ask
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