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Mushrooms the forbidden fruit
#7900405 - 01/19/08 03:44 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Fictional or not I think mushrooms were the foebidden fruit. They make you smarter and I think show you what reality is like in gods eyes. God maybe being an enity from another demention.. Mushrooms: a looking glass into the next demention.?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7900416 - 01/19/08 03:48 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7900425 - 01/19/08 03:51 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I believe i heard it from terrance mckenna, that mushrooms are a higher entity, evolved beyond the bodies we are familiar with, symbiotic with the ingestor of the 'shroom. Then is when the mushroom consciousness is alive.
With that mentality alone, the mushroom deserves respect.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Dr_Bloothumb]
#7900430 - 01/19/08 03:54 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Oops demension
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7900778 - 01/19/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Fictional or not
So you think it's true even if it's fictional.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7900829 - 01/19/08 08:57 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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No. I just didn't wanna have to go through a million people debating rather or not there even was a forbidden fruit. I was just saying if there WAS a forbidden fruit I think its the mushroom.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7900877 - 01/19/08 09:26 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I think it's the banana.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7900887 - 01/19/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Perhaps a looking glass into another dimension. One that transcends ours if only we open our eyes to see it.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Richii]
#7901584 - 01/19/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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The mushrooms is definately a forbidden fruit. The only reason it's so illegal is because it frees the mind. They don't want that. They want sheep. Yes... that's right... the earth is flat, dont ever question it... baahhhh.. bahhhhh
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7901630 - 01/19/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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we are sheep man....... which goes to say... ima sheep fucker
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7901648 - 01/19/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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If I take mushrooms, I won't have to pay taxes, rent, insurance, go to jury duty or be subject to a draft? Will I get an extra vote?
How does seeing sparkly colors free one from the society in which one is immersed?
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i have no clue whut ur talking about
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7901691 - 01/19/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Actually I can believe that.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7901697 - 01/19/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sheep before ingesting mushrooms = sheep after ingesting mushrooms.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7901702 - 01/19/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Ive thought about this subject many times and i have a theory or two on it i to believe that if there was a tree of knowledge of good and evil it was the mushroom i also believe that mushrooms could have very well sparked human consciousness which also supports my tree of knowledge of good and evil theory
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7901706 - 01/19/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Actually I can believe that.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: cheshirect666]
#7901716 - 01/19/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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cheshirect666 said: Ive thought about this subject many times and i have a theory or two on it i to believe that if there was a tree of knowledge of good and evil it was the mushroom i also believe that mushrooms could have very well sparked human consciousness which also supports my tree of knowledge of good and evil theory
yes i also believe the stoned ape theory
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The common man cannot understand genius.
Or even you.
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OrgoneConclusion said: If I take mushrooms, I won't have to pay taxes, rent, insurance, go to jury duty or be subject to a draft? Will I get an extra vote?
How does seeing sparkly colors free one from the society in which one is immersed?
They don't free one from the infrastructure and process' of societal confines. Although there are many different places to live on this planet. Ever met a war desserted? I met one from your country last night.
Mushrooms free the mind from herd mentality. They put us in tune with our divine essence. If you don't know what the divine essence is, then I feel sorry for you. Your very experience on this Earth is already being deprived of it's intention. Therefore with the freeing of the mind we can understand why we need to go about bringing forth change. If one does not think in this manner, nothing will change. Comprende?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7901783 - 01/19/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Mushrooms free the mind from herd mentality.
While psychedelics may facilitate some thinking outside the box they are certainly no guarantee of that. Just check out OTD or the Political forum.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7901793 - 01/19/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I bet only one in ten on this site have ate more than an eighth.
I bet only one in a hundred trip at least once a month...
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Middleman]
#7901810 - 01/19/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sad but probably true. But who determines what dose is needed or how many times one should trip to rock their world?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7901822 - 01/19/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: If I take mushrooms, I won't have to pay taxes, rent, insurance, go to jury duty or be subject to a draft? Will I get an extra vote?
How does seeing sparkly colors free one from the society in which one is immersed?
They don't free one from the infrastructure and process' of societal confines. Although there are many different places to live on this planet. Ever met a war desserted? I met one from your country last night.
Mushrooms free the mind from herd mentality. They put us in tune with our divine essence. If you don't know what the divine essence is, then I feel sorry for you. Your very experience on this Earth is already being deprived of it's intention. Therefore with the freeing of the mind we can understand why we need to go about bringing forth change. If one does not think in this manner, nothing will change. Comprende?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7901825 - 01/19/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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5g in a safe set and setting at least once a month = a more liberated mind. No matter who.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Middleman]
#7901853 - 01/19/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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This would depend upon the intentions of the tripper, and not upon mere ingestion of mind-altering substances. One could accomplish the same effect through other means with the same intentions. The use of a psychedelic is effective when, and only when, the user is both willing to confront their programming during the trip AND able to integrate the results AFTER their trip.
Even high doses would have little impact on someone who views their experience as unimportant.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Veritas]
#7901859 - 01/19/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Right, if a liberated mind is indeed their intention.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Veritas]
#7901862 - 01/19/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Veritas said: This would depend upon the intentions of the tripper, and not upon mere ingestion of mind-altering substances. One could accomplish the same effect through other means with the same intentions. The use of a psychedelic is effective when, and only when, the user is both willing to confront their programming during the trip AND able to integrate the results AFTER their trip.
yea. people that abuse shrooms will never understand them
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7902019 - 01/19/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Veritas said: This would depend upon the intentions of the tripper, and not upon mere ingestion of mind-altering substances. One could accomplish the same effect through other means with the same intentions. The use of a psychedelic is effective when, and only when, the user is both willing to confront their programming during the trip AND able to integrate the results AFTER their trip.
yea. people that abuse shrooms will never understand them
You can only try to abuse mushrooms once. Then you will either never eat them again, or never abuse them again. Mushrooms do not allow abuse. They will kick the shit out of you if you try.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Middleman]
#7902029 - 01/19/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Middleman said: 5g in a safe set and setting at least once a month = a more liberated mind. No matter who.
You're just being silly. Unstable folk would just end up in the funny farm. Negative types would just stay with that negativity. I've seen this with my own eyes. I did live through the 60s/70s.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7902043 - 01/19/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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You can only try to abuse mushrooms once. Then you will either never eat them again, or never abuse them again. Mushrooms do not allow abuse. They will kick the shit out of you if you try.
This is a FULL OF SHIT statement if I ever heard one. I have seen the untruth of this over and over.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7902176 - 01/19/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7902338 - 01/19/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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forbidden fruit= something about time. adam and eve were the first humans to remmeber time and thats why the story starts there. if your gunna be like that that is. and yes mushrooms have become forbidden fruit because its this knowledge of time passing and beyong right now allows death anxiety and that enslaves us all to the system and those who profit off of the food and such obviously wouldnt want that to eat away there profits.
reiterating my point the forbidden fruit is knowledge outside of the moment. thats what i think at least.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7902426 - 01/19/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Good point
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7902705 - 01/19/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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rubixcubies said: forbidden fruit= something about time. adam and eve were the first humans to remmeber time and thats why the story starts there. if your gunna be like that that is. and yes mushrooms have become forbidden fruit because its this knowledge of time passing and beyong right now allows death anxiety and that enslaves us all to the system and those who profit off of the food and such obviously wouldnt want that to eat away there profits.
reiterating my point the forbidden fruit is knowledge outside of the moment. thats what i think at least.
ok but what brought on this knowledge
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: cheshirect666]
#7902714 - 01/19/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I tend to go to LSD for spiritual liberation. It's a matter of both preference and circumstance. Plus, it's the forbidden fruit that we created. That said, I definitely want to experiment with mushrooms more.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: cheshirect666]
#7902792 - 01/19/08 06:13 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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i dont fucken know. it doesnt matter is the point its outside of the moment. how do you not forget about everything in the moment? do u remember everything that ever happened while you make love? i dont know what brings about this knowledge it just happens in the moment ironically enough i guess.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Veritas]
#7903380 - 01/19/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Even high doses would have little impact on someone who views their experience as unimportant.
AMEN to that. Tell it sister.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7903683 - 01/19/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Icelander said: You can only try to abuse mushrooms once. Then you will either never eat them again, or never abuse them again. Mushrooms do not allow abuse. They will kick the shit out of you if you try.
This is a FULL OF SHIT statement if I ever heard one. I have seen the untruth of this over and over.
explain.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7903734 - 01/19/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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yea. people that abuse shrooms will never understand them
I like to mistreat my mushrooms.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7903745 - 01/19/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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What part needs explaining? Mushrooms have no concern for a human's well-being or feelings of punishment for that matter.
You fabricate all sorts of stories and just expect people to accept your fantasies without even the bare minimum amount of factual basis.
Read this slowly: Declaring something does not make it so.
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Abuse is such a loaded word, I don't really feel it's fair to make generalizations about it. Plenty of people who attempt to abuse mushrooms, even those who succeed, go on to learn from the experience.
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yeah i have abused mushrooms once i took them for a week straight all day every day to the point where it wasnt tripping any more it was just a mushroom high it wasnt really to great and i felt miserable. ive since began taking them in a different fashion and in a more spiritual manner.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: cheshirect666]
#7904344 - 01/20/08 01:13 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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You merely abused your body. The mushrooms took no offense.
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OrgoneConclusion said: What part needs explaining? Mushrooms have no concern for a human's well-being or feelings of punishment for that matter.
Pictures or it never happened.
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You fabricate all sorts of stories and just expect people to accept your fantasies without even the bare minimum amount of factual basis.
You always seem bothered by the fact that my beliefs do not coincide with yours. Why don't you accept that, and stop trying to walk all over people with your inability to understand elstic thinking and pragmatics?
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Read this slowly: Declaring something does not make it so.
Ok. So then what are you worried about? That I may be right?
To Icelander. Full of shit statement? Well, considering you've probably been doing mushrooms longer than i've been alive, then I see why you may say something like this. However, of the craziness that i've experienced, it would tell me that in some respects that my statement holds some truth. It is not onclusive, but I consider it a safety net. Do you still hate me?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7906111 - 01/20/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Why would I hate you?
You do need to understand that the idea of this forum is debate and evidence. We are here to find out if our ideas can hold water under close scrutiny.
The Mystery forum next door is great for just throwing out ideas with no questions asked. Why not go over there if you find what goes on over here not to your liking? We certainly aren't going to change it for you.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
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Ok I gotcha, so will you tell me exactly why you think my statement was "full of shit"?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
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I love how this guy is just wanting to be a moderator soo badly. 
I agree with you though, no matter what I think that the person taking mushrooms for whatever reason they have, will get something out of the experience. Especially if one repeatedly 'abuses' them. Mushrooms have been used as a sacred medicine for thousands of years by indigenous people and I think there is reasons behind that.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Component]
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WOW. I think this guy is about half way there; we should be combining our own experiences and these type of discussions with our intuition and logic. Like I've said before, psychedelics need to be studied more in science!
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Component]
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Lol. Are you high? It was a good post but you said you didn't know what you we're talking about a few times.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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Damn, are you absolutely sure you can't get there without mushrooms? I've been almost certain that it can't be the only key
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It's not the only key! There are many, many keys... a few that i've experienced are: San pedro cactus, ayahuasca, morning glorys, meditation, yoga, and really intense love making.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Component]
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7908905 - 01/21/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Mushrooms the forbidden fruit?
Give me a break.
Let me explain as simply as I can, why this is a problem.
Your question is too broad. You present an if/then scenario... but the IF does not match up with the THEN. Let me show you. This is what your question suggests to those P&S regulars who are inclined to use logic to answer qustions:
IF mushrooms ARE the FORBIDDEN FRUIT, then THE BIBLE MUST ALSO BE TRUE.
See the problem?
Let me try this again.
This is what your question suggests when presented as an if/then scenario...
IF mushrooms are THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT, THEN MUSHROOMS ARE THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE and ADAM and EVE both ATE MUSHROOMS, even though GOD told them NOT TO EAT THE FRUIT, and the DEVIL, while DISGUISED AS A SNAKE, tricked EVE into eating THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT ANYWAY.
THAT is a loaded if/then scenario and it CAN NOT BE PROVEN. See why people are being snarky when they reply to your posts?
Now let's dry a few DIFFERENT if/then scenarios... some that are not quite as loaded... and see which scenario is more likely to be true.
IF prehistoric humans ate psychedelic plants and/or fungus, THEN those plants/fungi effected PREHISTORIC HUMAN'S egos and creative impulses in much the same way they effect MODERN humans.
Here's another PLAUSIBLE if/then scenario.
IF prehistoric humans ingested psychedelics, THEN they discovered psychedelics had interesting side effects.
And here's another if/then.
IF prehistoric humans thought mushrooms were special, THEN they told stories about the, "Power" of mushrooms.
Just one more if/then...
IF prehistoric man told stories about psychedelics, THEN variations of those stories would be among the first stories to be written.
That LAST if/then scenario requires no GOD, no DEVIL, no TREE OF KNOWLEDGE and no ADAM and EVE in order to be proven true.
I ask you, which scenario is more likely? If mushrooms are the fruit of knowledge, then the bible is true? OR... If prehistoric man told stories about psychedelics, then those stories would be among the first stories to be written down by man?
It is possible The Forbidden Fruit REPRESENTS a psychedelic plant/fungi... but that does not automatically make mushrooms into the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE.
Get it?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Rose]
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dude theres nothing to say the bible didnt happen. i mean sure theres a whole bunch of humans reading into it for 2000 plus years afterwards but that shit could have been you never know.
theres no truth. and thats the truth.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7909503 - 01/21/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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The adam & eve story is older than 2000 years  Did they happen ad litteram?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said: Did they happen ad litteram?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7909522 - 01/21/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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i dont know what that means?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7909533 - 01/21/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Exactly how it is related.
All these stories have no proving ground.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
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yeah but nothing beyond your direct experience of the moment has any proving ground... so what makes one belief more provable then anyother?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7909574 - 01/21/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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I find it hard to believe the "forbidden fruit" described in Genesis wasn't at least inspired by a real-life psychedelic plant/fungus.
Even if the Bible is fanciful and full of obvious assumptions and leaps of faith, it is also a history of the Semitic peoples, told through fable and propaganda.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7909585 - 01/21/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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What?  Ok, care to present a line of argumentation that actually makes sense to explain what you just said?
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Tchan909 said: I find it hard to believe the "forbidden fruit" described in Genesis wasn't at least inspired by a real-life psychedelic plant/fungus.
Even if the Bible is fanciful and full of obvious assumptions and leaps of faith, it is also a history of the Semitic peoples, told through fable and propaganda.
What exactly makes you hard to believe that they didn't make any reference to psychedelics? Perhaps the fact that they are illegal now?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7909604 - 01/21/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Adam and Eve ate a fruit that caused them to see the world in a totally different perspective and question everything they had taken for granted. It sounds like they had a really bad trip, which would make any psychedelic seem forbidden, regardless of its legal status.
I could easily be wrong, this is just my interpretation.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
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rubixcubies said: dude theres nothing to say the bible didnt happen. i mean sure theres a whole bunch of humans reading into it for 2000 plus years afterwards but that shit could have been you never know.
theres no truth. and thats the truth.
There is a BIG difference between what I actually said, and what you you are talking about in response.
Nobody can prove the bible happened exactly as written (especially Genesis). So to say: "IF fungus is the tree of knowledge THEN the bible is real." is a REAL leap of logic. Most theologians wouldn't even take THAT leap.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Rose]
#7909868 - 01/21/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Nobody said that makes the bible real; but maybe mushrooms could've been the influence behind that story?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Love Cap]
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Love Cap said: Nobody said that makes the bible real
Actually, in the first post Cubie said just that. He said, true or not, it is what he believes.
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Quite possible...
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7909944 - 01/21/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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well look left what do you see? look right now. wheres the proof of what was on the left if youre looking right. like sure its there but what about something somewhere else. is it like that right now you could go see it but then what about over here is it still the same. wheres the proof?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
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This line of thinking!! Could mushrooms be the phallic inspiration for the Egyptian obelisk and therefore the WA monument?? Could the use of mushrooms... Um, maybe be more a part of our culture than we really imagine?? Do Freemasons know something of the body of Christ with their vegetation magic and pagan rites?? Cornerstone, maybe??
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said: Ok I gotcha, so will you tell me exactly why you think my statement was "full of shit"?
Lets go back to your statement: You can only try to abuse mushrooms once. Then you will either never eat them again, or never abuse them again. Mushrooms do not allow abuse. They will kick the shit out of you if you try.
I know many people who have repeatedly abused muchrooms and lots of other substances. You act as if you know that Mushrooms have a consciousness like ours. I see no real evidence of this. See FULL OF SHIT. And you're right I have many many more years of experience here then you do.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: rubixcubies]
#7910675 - 01/21/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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rubixcubies said: well look left what do you see? look right now. wheres the proof of what was on the left if youre looking right. like sure its there but what about something somewhere else. is it like that right now you could go see it but then what about over here is it still the same. wheres the proof?
This discussion ends here, you refuse to make a reasonable exchange of ideas and frankly I didn't understand anything from your post
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
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It doesn't really show in the intelligence of your statements though.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7912609 - 01/21/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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This thread is interesting that was my intention. And props for rubix for laying down reality.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7912724 - 01/21/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Icelander said: I know many people who have repeatedly abused muchrooms and lots of other substances. You act as if you know that Mushrooms have a consciousness like ours. I see no real evidence of this. See FULL OF SHIT. And you're right I have many many more years of experience here then you do.
Ok. Firstly just because I speak as though the mushroom has a conscience I never intend for people to take it literaly. I thought this was the general train of thought here in P+S. It is meant to reflect upon the experience. I just like to speak in riddles dont you see?
Does it matter if the mushroom kick your ass, or you are just fuckin yourself in the head? Either way, somebody is losing and "I".
Also we arent talking about chems here so it doesn't matter that your buddies abuse other substances too. I'll be willing to bet that they don't do mushrooms as often as they blow lines.
You know what tolerance is. So naturaly, one has no reason to eat mushrooms everyday of the week because they don't work anyway. Your brains interaction with the mushrooms chemical works in a way that it doesnt allow that sort of abuse. There is a natural disallowance, don't you see?
Also, mushrooms cannot do any physical harm. Therefore, like with many other drugs, you aren't turning your liver into mush. Eating them everyday will do you no harm. They can make a great mushroom soup if you like. This is no abuse.
The abuse I am reffering to is overdosing and going insane on the first trip that leads to a hanus experience. From my experience, people who abuse the mushroom in this way (eating a shitload of shrooms without any respect and preperation about dosage, setting, tripping) never want to see the likes of mushrooms again. So either they don't do em, or they dose responsibly the next time. No more abuse.
I don't consider weekly tripping abuse by any means. Abuse would be going uncontrollably insane on every trip due to a lack of respect towards dosage and setting and throwing poop all over their parents walls. I don't know anybody that shows this kind of abuse.
I still remain that my statement holds *some* truth. Anybody that can read between the lines of what I said would understand.. dose responsibly or you won't *get* the mushroom experience for all its worth. In all it's glory. Full of shit statement?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: You can only try to abuse mushrooms once. Then you will either never eat them again, or never abuse them again. Mushrooms do not allow abuse. They will kick the shit out of you if you try.
This is a FULL OF SHIT statement if I ever heard one. I have seen the untruth of this over and over.
I abused them and they convinced me that i was god and that trying to kill my neighbors was a good idea. Thoughts?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7913878 - 01/22/08 09:10 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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I just like to speak in riddles dont you see?
Yes I totally see this. It's at least a good statement for covering your ass.
I'll be willing to bet that they don't do mushrooms as often as they blow lines.
You lose, I only have one friend that blows lines and most others use shrooms as their basic medicine.
I still remain that my statement holds *some* truth.
Almost any statement holds some truth. Good job.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7913921 - 01/22/08 09:26 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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I like that. I don't believe anything but I have many suspicions.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7913927 - 01/22/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Words to play by.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: soulcircus]
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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i dont think mushrooms are the forbidden fruit, and i dont think MANNA in the bible is a reference to mushrooms either. i think the bible is fiction, and you guys are trying to draw connections between this fiction and what you think.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: IF mushrooms ARE the FORBIDDEN FRUIT, then THE BIBLE MUST ALSO BE TRUE.
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IF prehistoric humans ate psychedelic plants and/or fungus, THEN those plants/fungi effected PREHISTORIC HUMAN'S egos and creative impulses in much the same way they effect MODERN humans.
The Garden of Eden tale can be seen as an allegory of the psychedelic human evolution theory. So, maybe the Bible was the closest explanation we had, a couple thousand years ago. Considering the mushroom as the forbidden fruit, then, makes sense.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7914173 - 01/22/08 10:58 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Maybe an enity from a higher demension them him. And so on.........
"It's turtles all the way down"
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: pattern]
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Makes sense = might be, and until further verification it is all there is
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
#7914224 - 01/22/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: Firstly just because I speak as though the mushroom has a conscience I never intend for people to take it literaly. I thought this was the general train of thought here in P+S.
Word play does not go over well in here.
Things like sarcasm and riddles... unless clearly marked as such... can be EASILY misunderstood by the P&S masses.
Do your best to say what you mean.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7914301 - 01/22/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Maybe an enity from a higher demension them him. And so on.........
"It's turtles all the way down"
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Middleman]
#7914377 - 01/22/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Now that everyone has had a nice debate about this I would like to mention that if you continue to read the story about Adam & Eve that they were banished from the Garden and it was closed to them. Hence whatever the forbidden fruit was , it is no longer available to us.
If in fact you believe the story. If you don't believe the story then there is no forbidden fruit. Either way it could not be mushrooms as mushrooms are available to us.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: mushbaby]
#7914395 - 01/22/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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ha, after all that
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: evolprim]
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evolprim said: i dont think mushrooms are the forbidden fruit, and i dont think MANNA in the bible is a reference to mushrooms either. i think the bible is fiction, and you guys are trying to draw connections between this fiction and what you think.
Trying to draw connections would be proper.
The bible came from somwhere. Why are the world bibles so powerful? You have no proof as to why it would be mere fiction. I don't know for certain whether it is or it isn't. People are drawing connections because it is an attempt to examine the bibles origins, and what it actually means.
To think it is all fiction and just a good story is arrogant I think. We have no clue what went down when it was written so we can't judge it simply by a book, lets look at what exist today that can logically fit into the story and make some more sense of it for us today!
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
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How is using mushrooms as a basic medicine abuse?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said: You have no proof as to why it would be mere fiction.
I think I could make a case against the Earth being created in six days.
I think I can show the Red Sea was not parted (there are more logical explanations for this tale).
Noah and the Ark? Come on! Again, there are more logical explanations.
The Exodous is historically questionable at best...
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
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Why are the world bibles so powerful?
I have covered this in depth before. Short version: It was the first book published (new technology) and for many years in many places, it was the only book ALLOWED to be published.
No matter what text was printed it would have a HUGE impact.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Rose]
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I think the bible is just the biggest metaphore there is
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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Why the "biggest"? Anything that is as ambiguous as the bible can turn into a metaphor
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Maybe I should have said the longest metaphor
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said: How is using mushrooms as a basic medicine abuse?
What? All I said is most of the folk I know use shrooms more than anything else.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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Cubie said: I think the bible is just the biggest metaphore there is
I think it is too.
BUT it is myth mixed with fact... and believers tend to think it was handed down by God. An interesting book, and it has been the root of many problems.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Rose]
#7914590 - 01/22/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Religions in general tend to be problematic. Especially for those not involved in them.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7914597 - 01/22/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Religions are not problematic for me, so long as they stay out of the public schools and the law books.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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I don't care if this has or hasn't been posted (I don't care to read all 5 pages of text before this post), but to the OP, you should read Terence Mckenna's Food of the Gods. You'd probably enjoy it.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: vigilant_mind]
#7914654 - 01/22/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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I have. I love McKenna. I have most of his articles and lots of pages from his book all over my walls
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said: Religions are not problematic for me, so long as they stay out of the public schools and the law books.
Well that's my point. They don't.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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Cubie said: I have. I love McKenna. I have most of his articles and lots of pages from his book all over my walls
Loving the dead is illegal in my state.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7914841 - 01/22/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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My room is a certified McKenna library.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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I liked his writings. I have some of his stuff on tape and once owned many of his books. Still, I do not and have never loved the dead and I want that on the record.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Icelander]
#7914856 - 01/22/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Lol. necro!
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: mushbaby]
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mushbaby said: Now that everyone has had a nice debate about this I would like to mention that if you continue to read the story about Adam & Eve that they were banished from the Garden and it was closed to them. Hence whatever the forbidden fruit was , it is no longer available to us.
If in fact you believe the story. If you don't believe the story then there is no forbidden fruit. Either way it could not be mushrooms as mushrooms are available to us.
ACTUALLY, the bible does not state that the tree of life was no longer available. It simply says that angels were placed at the gates of eden.
Eden being a garden of some sort ( ... bullshit ) would mean there was more then one entrance. Besides, that story carry's very little rationality and could mean very many things to very many people in very different perspectives.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: future]
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mushbaby said: Now that everyone has had a nice debate about this I would like to mention that if you continue to read the story about Adam & Eve that they were banished from the Garden and it was closed to them. Hence whatever the forbidden fruit was , it is no longer available to us.
If in fact you believe the story. If you don't believe the story then there is no forbidden fruit. Either way it could not be mushrooms as mushrooms are available to us.
ACTUALLY, the bible does not state that the tree of life was no longer available. It simply says that angels were placed at the gates of eden.
Eden being a garden of some sort ( ... bullshit ) would mean there was more then one entrance. Besides, that story carry's very little rationality and could mean very many things to very many people in very different perspectives.
That's why the Bible is the most dangerous book EVAR.
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I don't want to start quoting a bunch of the Bible here but need to refute what future said. This is of course continuing with the premise of the story being true.
Gen 3 verse 23 &24: therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.
So He drove out the man; and he placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

Not saying if I think it's true or not. Just stating what is actually written for others to make their own decisions.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: mushbaby]
#7916618 - 01/22/08 07:33 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Debating the semantic implications of the Bible in English is an absurd pursuit.
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I propose Chinese
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7916643 - 01/22/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Might I suggest Esperanto or, perhaps more fittingly, Sindarin?
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Of course, it will allow us to see everything from many different perspectives. I bet that in Sindarin Adam would turn out a gay raver.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
#7916777 - 01/22/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Maybe mushrooms are forbidden. But not marijuana!
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Diploid]
#7916798 - 01/22/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Consider me adequately serviced!
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: Maybe mushrooms are forbidden. But not marijuana!
"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man" - Psalms 104:14
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Diploid]
#7916809 - 01/22/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Boy they never taught that one in Bible class! At least not with that spin on it.
I like it! Need to contemplate on it for a little bit.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: Cubie]
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I don't think it the mushroom. Shrooms taste like shit! The forbidden fruit was tasty and was pleasant to the eye.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: marz13]
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How do you know what shit tastes like?
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: MushroomTrip]
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It tastes exactly like mushrooms!
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Icelander said: Actually I can believe that.
The common man cannot understand genius.
genius is a way we label people with over-the-top giftedness as to cope with not being able to reach their level of achievements. if there would be no mythological term to clearly divide the common man from the truely gifted ones (where "genious" is just a pampering word), people who play life on hard setting (like in a video game) and work hard to achieve things with sparse talentedness, it would be too hard for them to keep the spirit up so it's easier to call the really gifted ones "geniuses" and be content with oneself knowing that geniuses are somewhat of a kind of rare freaks of nature that only come once in every hundred or more and not accept that most people are not geniuses and keep working diligently disregarding the existence of geniuses which are oddities that are not to be compared to or pondered upon so much as to be inspired by much like something impersonable but more like some kind of measure of impersonal inspiration.
this is also a way for people who are "geniuses" (I don't like the term) to cope with growing up, putting poeple down all the time... friends and peers. finally growing up and having their friends probably succeed at their careers far better than the pretention-axiety-overloaded genius who can't get hardly anything done due to sky-high pretentions.
the one who is of sparesome giftedness with challenging assets but works hard to achieve what he strives for and more likely than a "genius" succeeds at his goals is more blessed than the genius who is never content, always feels unsatisfied, always underachieving and always squandering his gifts by not working hard enough as someone with great talent is often prone to sloth as everything comes easy. he is the one playing life at difficulty mode: very easy.
a persons achievement is measured by the amount of effort he puts into his endevours... not by the results that come easy for him. geniuses need to watch out really carefully as to not underachieve and fall into depression for what they could have achieved had they only worked as hard as the less gifted one who is driven by pushing his limitations while the "genius" sees no limitations but only his own commitment and effort and usually the lack thereof.
so apart from the "geniuses" who actually work as hard as those less gifted, yet still strongly driven, a "genius" mostly doesn't realise his blessing until he has squandered his time could-be-spent honing, working, sweating and developing.
be happy just the way you are and if you have frustration in not being able to achieve what others can, be sure more than jealous as there are more geniuses that let their gifts run through their fingers than there are those who really work it and get acknowledged as such.
in the end. whomever you are. be content with your results and feel excitement in the prospect of improvement in your next piece of work.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: nimnimnim]
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at the same time, "geniuses" are needed to keep the rest of us inspired and to marvel at the horizons explored by them and it is very much a sacrifice the ones who in a selfish kind of way chose to be "geniuses". no way is easier than the other and that is valid for a various kinds of expressions... happiness and contentment being closest to mind for me right now. my life of being a "genius" has only brought me malcontent, pretention, arrogance, despair, apathy and recurring love for the art in question lasting as shortly as my short discipline will allow and I cannot remorse but I must say no path is easier than the other and the less haughty you were when you asked god for asocial gifts the more happy you seem to be.
blessed are those who had worked to become or chose to be lovable and loving individuals with few means of gifts but lots to give to others.
a "genius" must work REALLY hard in a very lonely process to give joy to others and even then they don't get to feel the joy they bring to others as the one who chose to be just "a great guy".
hope that's a concelation to both "geniuses" and those wishing they were.
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Re: Mushrooms the forbidden fruit [Re: nimnimnim]
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