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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7916427 - 01/22/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Nice post.


In the beginning...

There was the primordial singularity of pure intend...

It exploded, ever expanding, racing forward, thrusting the cosmos into motion and express...

It created time and space...

That singularity was Tao and is EVERYTHING!


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7916440 - 01/22/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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guruu said:
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The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet.




I HATE this type of logic.  You're looking at it from the wrong direction dude.





Wrong direction? How must I look at it? From the direction of a bunch of scientists who sit around trying to make everything in the universe fit into this neat little box which can be measured and documented, while everything that doesnt fit into there framework is to be discarded and considered as false? Its called theory for a reason; because its a theory, meaning that this is the best scenario they can come up with while remaining in the box. Mainstream science is bullshit. Its just another religion designed to keep the general population in check. Science also says that consciousness is a product of the brain, not vice-versa. This, one of the biggest lies of them all, has been disproved many times over by those who have been declared DEAD, brain discontinued functioning, and have come back to tell stories of what happened during that time. What about clairvoyance and astral projection? How is awareness able to put itself elsewhere if its merely a function of the brain? Tell this to the many that have experienced death and have come back. I have been there, this is why I regard "life" with nothing more than humor and laughter.

Sorry to drag this on, I love good conversation, lol. By the way, If the big bang theory interests you, you should check this out, has anyone heard about this yet? http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=303151
apparently there going to try and recreate this theory, and possibly destroy the world :thumbup: lol




I'll address your original analogy.  When the big bang happened, the universe was set into motion.  This is the way it ended up.  Yes, the odds of the universe ending up exactly as it did are astronomical.  But so are the odds of every other possibility.  Something had to happen, and this is it. If you look backwards, yes the chances are small, but that's not really the issue.

Also, don't be one of those people that gets confused by terminology.  Its a scientific theory, not some crackpot theory like we get on random internet forums.  Scientific theories are highly tested and fairly reliable.

As for your idea that mainstream science is "bullshit" and a tool to keep us in check, I really don't know how to argue against you.  Are you disagreeing with physics and chemistry?  Do you not believe in atoms and gravity, or the theory of relativity?  I really don't entirely understand your post.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: g00ru]
    #7917090 - 01/22/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Well, Ive smoked since that last post, but ill try to clarify. Im not trying to imply that physics and chemistry are all bullshit, not even all science for that matter. The science that makes it through the schools and through the media though are a different story. Scientists across the world have made recent discoveries that completely change the way we view our world, yet they never make big time news. Like the fact that our world is holographic, and that the objective world does not exist as we perceive it. Is this not big news? The fact that reality can be altered and does simply by the way we choose to perceive it? What I was trying to get at earlier is that the world elite controls which "science" we are forced to believe in for there benefit. Its not science Im arguing, its the close-minded artificial science that says if it cannot be measure, then it does not exist.
Is any of this making sense? Im trying, but Im really stoned :stoned: im having trouble holding on to concepts lol


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7917132 - 01/22/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

^ I know what you mean. Some of this new science is pretty crazy. It's not suprising that it isn't widespread information for several reasons.

1. It borders on philosophy.
2. It's extremely difficult to comprehend.
3. It's extremely different to prove.
4. It makes some pretty revolutionary assertions.

"It" is all that new science that he was describing, basically the stuff about the universe equaling perception and stuff like that.

And I still disagree with you about the big bang but I guess that's another argument for another day.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7917204 - 01/22/08 09:08 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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not in the way most think of natural anyway.
The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.




Whatever makes you feel better and sleep at night right?


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: g00ru]
    #7917243 - 01/22/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

I believe the difficulty in proving some of the newer dicoveries is probably the bigger reason for its lack of coverage. The fact is that some of the most insane phenomenon in the universe is not recordable, therefore being difficult or impossible to prove. Take "ghosts" for instance. Theres almost no denying their existence, yet there is no solid scientific proof, aside from shaky video footage and evp phenomenon. I feel that conventional science needs a revolution in the way they approach new things. Science has kind of lost its spirit over the years. Scientists of old went about experiments wildly and with imagination, not disregarding anything. But Im optimistic about the future of science, people are starting to accept that things are not always what they seem


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7923086 - 01/24/08 04:31 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

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Well, no one is really wrong, because truth is not objective.



I kind of agree...
But unless you want to entirely give up reasoning you need to follow the most, or at least a somewhat, logic line of thinking. The idea that anything has happened because it would enable a goal to be reached, instead of a goal being reached because something has happened is rather unlikely.


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