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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7908263 - 01/21/08 02:18 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Spiritual Seeker said:
lol. Life rules. Sadly however humans are getting SOOOO moronic i know the world will end or something big will happen eventually. At least thats my thoughts.


The world needs to have a 2 day earthquake.....it would ruin everything! IT would be perfect and it would provide a fresh start for humans.

We would have to pulltogether to get through it or get killed trying.




Can you remember a time in history when the world was really any better?

The only difference now that makes shit worse is the fact that we have the knowledge & "fuel" to destroy the planet in a split second if some psycho wanted. The same can't really be said for ancient times.

"The universe is hostile, so impersonal,
devour to survive so it is, so it's ALWAYS BEEN"

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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7908535 - 01/21/08 05:36 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Consciousness IS the only truth. If you believe that everything is accidental and meaningless, you are gravely mistaken. If you take everything science imposes on you as fact, then yes, life does suck. But the fact is that science is another Government institution, just as the educational body and the church.These opiates that are designed to turn
us into materialistic, apathetic, cattle. Nothing is random. The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet. If you want to study science, at least take a deep look at quantum physics. These alternative sciences are simply rediscovering what shamans and mystics have know throughout history. Shit man, what they have learned over the course of two decades, Ive discovered in one night with DMT. This universe is holographic. Everything we feel, taste, hear and see are simply interference patterns, waves of energy that DO NOT exist as solid form UNTIL our brains put them together that way. This is proven fact. Life random series of coincidences? Ha


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7908664 - 01/21/08 08:01 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah, I have come to experience that awareness is the only truth. Seems if ones spends time with simple awareness as meditation every day then one becomes more attuned to the finer fluctuations of feel which is the undercurrent of what we are. The undercurrent of fine feeling is bright with optimism regardless of all things. This is the primal awareness, what some might call God-dess. A super bright optimism which is not dampable. Undampable super bright optimism. Because we are simply part of the current ourselves and we all are part of that basic primal experiment of simple optimistic sentience which drives it all. Even in death. If you live long enough even Death becomes a good friend that you miss. Because even death is not different from life, it is part of it.

Yes, what we have here is a stage for all possible imaginable experience. So best be enjoying it in the present, not expecting that one will ever come back to it. In the same shape, nor though that one will ever leave it, through any means. We and the simple bright optimism of life itself are one. Nothing will ever change that. But it takes merely appreciating the quiet golden dawn.

I find it pretty awesome at times thinking that we are experiencing things so uniquely here on Mother Planet Gaia. Have you ever been transfixed by the orangeness of an orange with a ray of sun shooting through it?I was tripping out once, I had an incense packet with a golden sun on it, and I stood it up at the curb in the morning light and burned some incense, and two doves on the wire across the street hopped right up to it and were hypnotized. I myself was surprised how beautiful the doves were - what I took for gray - was actually a whole rainbow of colors.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7908672 - 01/21/08 08:07 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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not in the way most think of natural anyway.
The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.




Nope...sorry, it's not quite like that.:cool:


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7908685 - 01/21/08 08:13 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

I'm glad that there are people with optimism, when so many cynics try to take it all away.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7908943 - 01/21/08 10:02 AM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Nalim said:
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Cracka_X said:
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Nalim said:
not in the way most think of natural anyway.
The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.




I don't understand how the title of the thread goes with this. 

Everything is natural.  Nothing is not natural depending on the context of 'natural'.  From human behavior to the death of a star.  what're you getting at?  just feeling cynical?



It was mostly to point out the stupidity of the common use of the word natural on this page. It's as if if something is natural it's all nice, warm and cosy.
I know everything is natural, if something wasn't it couldn't exist.




no doubt! :laugh:


To FarFromHere:
I'm just kidding, I agree w/ ya.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7909630 - 01/21/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet.




:rockon:


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If you want to study science, at least take a deep look at quantum physics. These alternative sciences are simply rediscovering what shamans and mystics have know throughout history. Shit man, what they have learned over the course of two decades, Ive discovered in one night with DMT.





Preach on Brother!



The universe is not the creation of random chaotic events...

Our intent, our will...Is behind it all...


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7909961 - 01/21/08 02:47 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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The universe is not the creation of random chaotic events...




whoa whoa whoa, I disagree. Chaotically orderly events.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7910062 - 01/21/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Rocks didn't invent lasers. Rocks had to grow people to do that.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7910090 - 01/21/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet.




Sure, if the purpose of the big bang was to condense matter into stars and planets, and have those planets grow people to invent lasers. That just sounds outlandish.

But the big bang wasn't that. It was a really hot explosion, which sounds about as plausible as all other creation story I've heard.

So one day there was nothing, except for one dimensional strings, that somehow touch each other, because this is possible, I'm told by string theorists (or, in another time, mental people) and when that happened, a universe was created. Except it's not just a universe, because if that theory is correct, this is one of an infinite number of universes, that overlap each other in time and space.

And in one of those infinite universes, all the random permutations lead to this one planet growing people who made lasers, which are the meaning of life.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7910208 - 01/21/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.



qft.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: maggotz]
    #7910266 - 01/21/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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And in one of those infinite universes, all the random permutations lead to this one planet growing people who made lasers, which are the meaning of life.





And what is the drive behind that probability?

Tao.

Being conscious, makes us conscious.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Crasher]
    #7910321 - 01/21/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

what is the reason for your existence?


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: maggotz]
    #7910638 - 01/21/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

The reason for our existence is the fact that we CHOOSE to exist. As Bill Hicks once said, "We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively" I dont think anyone could have said it better. After my first ayahuasca voyage, Ive discovered that this is the only truth. Nothing is random and meaningless. Chaos is not disorder, but an order beyond human comprehension. Random events could simply be a very advanced formula that are beyond our scope of understanding. But If I could give everyone in this world one piece of advice, it would be to Have Fun, dont take shit seriously. Life is a game; We change it everyday by the way we choose to perceive it. We are always in control. Live, laugh and love. Infinite possibility is what "life" is all about.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7913727 - 01/22/08 04:39 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Good post. I find it amazing how many people that has the whole causality thing wrong.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7913770 - 01/22/08 05:21 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Well, no one is really wrong, because truth is not objective. The only established truths are those that we choose to actively participate in by believing in them. The external world does not exist as we perceive it, but it exists only as a series of waves and patterns of energy. These patterns are meaningless until they are taken in by our senses and constructed by our brain as "solid" objects. And our beliefs actually control the way our brains decode these patterns. This is all been proven by quantum physics. Its an interesting life we live, we can choose what we want, and actively manipulate our reality. So why not choose a belief system that best fits our lives, or believe nothing at all? I personally feel that any system that devalues life and awareness is completely absolete and should be thrown out


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: satyr]
    #7913995 - 01/22/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Go past the machinery, the structure and boundaries. Release yourself from the framework and expand your life past the two demensional world of 0's and 1's. The philosophies that will not let you evolve are of no longer use and can be discarded. The whole process is that of taking off your social-forged armor and tossing the shields that harbor you from the winds of the universe. You may think you can't fly and that you will fall, but where we are going there is no up or down, no dichotomies; so you can't fall, you can only glide to new and unexplored domains.
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: sky]
    #7914871 - 01/22/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet.




I HATE this type of logic. You're looking at it from the wrong direction dude.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: sky]
    #7915693 - 01/22/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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blavampire said:
Go past the machinery, the structure and boundaries. Release yourself from the framework and expand your life past the two demensional world of 0's and 1's. The philosophies that will not let you evolve are of no longer use and can be discarded. The whole process is that of taking off your social-forged armor and tossing the shields that harbor you from the winds of the universe. You may think you can't fly and that you will fall, but where we are going there is no up or down, no dichotomies; so you can't fall, you can only glide to new and unexplored domains.
:peace:







Look at that focus! If I wanted an image for meditation, it'd have lasers in it.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7916309 - 01/22/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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guruu said:
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The big bang theory is akin to saying that a fucking tornado can fly through a scrapyard and accidentally whip together a 747 jumbo jet.




I HATE this type of logic.  You're looking at it from the wrong direction dude.





Wrong direction? How must I look at it? From the direction of a bunch of scientists who sit around trying to make everything in the universe fit into this neat little box which can be measured and documented, while everything that doesnt fit into there framework is to be discarded and considered as false? Its called theory for a reason; because its a theory, meaning that this is the best scenario they can come up with while remaining in the box. Mainstream science is bullshit. Its just another religion designed to keep the general population in check. Science also says that consciousness is a product of the brain, not vice-versa. This, one of the biggest lies of them all, has been disproved many times over by those who have been declared DEAD, brain discontinued functioning, and have come back to tell stories of what happened during that time. What about clairvoyance and astral projection? How is awareness able to put itself elsewhere if its merely a function of the brain? Tell this to the many that have experienced death and have come back. I have been there, this is why I regard "life" with nothing more than humor and laughter.

Sorry to drag this on, I love good conversation, lol. By the way, If the big bang theory interests you, you should check this out, has anyone heard about this yet? http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=303151
apparently there going to try and recreate this theory, and possibly destroy the world :thumbup: lol


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