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notapillow
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veiwing life as mechanical and orderly is so 1700's
we for the most part can see further now
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coulterIV
Technopagan


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how about there is nothing natural about YOUR life.
technology that we use is unnatural so i'm going to leave this computer for while.
If you want something to do, try to activate your DNA. you might start loving your life more.
Oh and you obviously aren't a musician because life shows me the most complex rhythms that need to be taken advantage of and made into symphonies that transcend time
-------------------- BREATHE IN LOVE BREATHE OUT FORGIVENESS (If you’re not in your breath, you’re in your mind)
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Cracka_X
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
#7902036 - 01/19/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nalim said: not in the way most think of natural anyway. The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond. We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.
I don't understand how the title of the thread goes with this.
Everything is natural. Nothing is not natural depending on the context of 'natural'. From human behavior to the death of a star. what're you getting at? just feeling cynical?
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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manyc
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: FarFromHere]
#7902680 - 01/19/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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We are imperfect, with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
Other than that one line, I thought your whole post was bullshit.
There is an intent driving the universe foward....
It is called Tao.
Indeed.
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Hemp could Save the World. "There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian Know Thyself. "If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence Mckenna
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never_2_high
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: manyc]
#7902721 - 01/19/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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"Life is a space tunnel, The tunnel is your timelife. The Asteroids on the way are your obstacles in life. The planets where you refuil are your goals and achievments met. Just look at how beatiful our planet is compared to all the other ones.
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Veter
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: never_2_high]
#7902801 - 01/19/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Actually, everything about life is natural...The laws of nature created life. It may not be the norm, but anything outside of hydrogen and helium are outside the norm. We may not be any "better" than a rock, but we can easily convincer ourselves that we are and that's all that really matters.
-------------------- Let the Demons have their place, if so, it's angels you'll create.
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JstHereFrTheCake
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This seems like a glass half empty or half full thread.
Plus abiogenesis is something that is not really understood, there are theories but no one really knows. Secondly there is always the chance that we are just none living matter arranged in a way that makes life. but it is still life. It is still pretty fucking amazing. And it is still pretty fucking lucky that we get to be here and even more so that we can discuss things like this and things much more complicated to boot.
I guess that would be the glass half full way to look at it. Plus I am not entirely dissuaded from the idea of soul, or at least something along the same lines although I am pretty sure I don't believe in it. I think there are ways of looking at even our seemingly meaningless existence in a spiritual way that makes sense with science.
Obviously it's pretty easy, since science does not comment on the supernatural. Idea's are fun though.
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Spiritual Seeker
Nothing Matters



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lol. Life rules. Sadly however humans are getting SOOOO moronic i know the world will end or something big will happen eventually. At least thats my thoughts.
The world needs to have a 2 day earthquake.....it would ruin everything! IT would be perfect and it would provide a fresh start for humans.
We would have to pulltogether to get through it or get killed trying.
-------------------- "Nothing in the world is a gift. Whatever there is to learn has to be learned the hard way." -Don juan
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clover606
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
#7904063 - 01/19/08 11:35 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nalim said: not in the way most think of natural anyway. The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond. We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.
we only think its cold and harsh because we personally cant survive there, if there were some how life that lived in deep space, some form of energy being or something, theyd probably think earth is pretty fuckin harsh. i think we have a little more value than a rock, cuz a rock isnt alive, id say were more along the lines of the bacteria on the rock.
-------------------- grassman said: I remember being in DARE when i was much younger and some of the stories they would tell you are not only ridiculous, but completely untrue. One story was that a woman was on LSD and thought her infant was a turkey so she baked it in the oven. Now I look back and think thats hilarious, but at the time I guess it scared me.
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JonnyDeformed
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: clover606]
#7904125 - 01/19/08 11:54 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Everything is natural.. From life to power plants to atom bombs to the internet... if it exists it is natural my friend.
Death is also a beginning, from death life flourishes.
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dubiousness Dubious compound it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.
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impgl
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#7904665 - 01/20/08 03:27 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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i didnt mean that we were better then rocks, just different. we're all playing out our roles. when i was a kid, i used to think that we got to choose weather to live and die or be an inanimate object, and, most people being scared of the pains of life chose to be inanimate.
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MindGorilla
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: impgl]
#7904726 - 01/20/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Without chaos and destruction we can never have beauty and peace.
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fall
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Everything depends on how you look at it. I personally plan to enjoy my worthless life to the fullest, instead of worrying about it's worthlessness.
Have fun
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JstHereFrTheCake
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: clover606]
#7905775 - 01/20/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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clover606 said: we only think its cold and harsh because we personally cant survive there, if there were some how life that lived in deep space, some form of energy being or something, theyd probably think earth is pretty fuckin harsh. i think we have a little more value than a rock, cuz a rock isnt alive, id say were more along the lines of the bacteria on the rock.
They have actually discovered bacteria that can survive in space on asteroids and such, or at least bacteria that might be able to.
They're called extremo-philes or something. First heard about it from that science dude when he was on the Daily Show plugging his new PBS thang.
But anyway, when he said the "universe is a cold harsh place" he was talking about all of it not deep space in particular, and I don't think he meant it quite literally either. He was just saying that it isn't filled with love and compasssion.
Again it is a really... I don't want to say western, but western way of thinking to say that without the idea of a all loving god who made us special and the universe is all just for us that it is some how hostile or cold. It probably isn't indifferent about it's own existence and since we are part of that existence it isn't in different about us. But what you need to realize is that you are just part of the whole and your psyche creates the illusion that you are not which makes you see anything that doesn't see you as special as being cold. You will always exist, you are matter, matter cannot be destroyed. What you have come to call "you" will always be around and will spread out throughout the universe before it's destruction or recreation.
You as a conscious will eventually fall "victim" to the laws of nature, your systems will break down and your consciousness will dissolve back into the whole. Metabolism will stop and your body will break down and decay rejoining the earth that it came from originally.
There is nothing cold or harsh about that. Your just not as "special" as you thought you were, but in my opinion much more beautiful and poetic.
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FarFromHere
~Teotzlcoatl~



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We are not special...
We are God.
We are Tao.
We are the intent that drives ourselves foward....
Our species foward.
We were there...
Tao was there....
Tao took the dust and swirled it together....
Tao called us from the waters of early Earth...
Tao intended us to stand up on the plains of Africa!
Tao's intent and our intent are one in the same.
We are all connected...
We are all part of the integral process.
we are all incarnations of one another!
I am you and you are me and we are all.
-------------------- "We are the one's we have been waiting for" -Hopi Proverb
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Cracka_X
Spiritual Dirt Worshipper




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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: FarFromHere]
#7907647 - 01/20/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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oh look at you being all deep
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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FarFromHere
~Teotzlcoatl~



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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Cracka_X]
#7907698 - 01/20/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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That's me being serious.
I would have typed much more if I had the time...
-------------------- "We are the one's we have been waiting for" -Hopi Proverb
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origami.octopus
Mycoporn fanaticin training


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: FarFromHere]
#7907890 - 01/20/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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I actually disagree.
Everything in existence is endowed with some degree of beauty and love. The exception to this might be things humans have built. (i'm interested to hear other opinions on this) Machines of war, cold steel, hot lead, torture devices. I can see no love hope or truth in these, only cruelty, hate, and despair. When we humans all learn to live every second as passionate as we can, as true and tragic and beautiful it is, our race will have made significant strides.
Man is indeed an incredible creature. Having a consciousness can be a burden or a gift. The thing about being endowed with this consciousness is that you can choose.
Toward the One.
It is impossible for me to agree that the sacred web of interconnected existence is as cold and brutal as you say. It is a thing of love and understanding.
-------------------- I like to look at mushrooms the way most people like to look at flowers. this is an amazing game http://www.kongregate.com/games/customlogic/sprout
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Nalim
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Cracka_X]
#7908193 - 01/21/08 01:36 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Cracka_X said:
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Nalim said: not in the way most think of natural anyway. The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond. We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.
I don't understand how the title of the thread goes with this.
Everything is natural. Nothing is not natural depending on the context of 'natural'. From human behavior to the death of a star. what're you getting at? just feeling cynical?
It was mostly to point out the stupidity of the common use of the word natural on this page. It's as if if something is natural it's all nice, warm and cosy. I know everything is natural, if something wasn't it couldn't exist.
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    Rodney Brooks on Robots Nalim said: "Quoting yourself is retarded."
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Crasher
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
#7908202 - 01/21/08 01:41 AM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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It must suck thinking there is no reason for our existence.
I hope you don't love anything, because its just a worthless squirt of evolution-spawned brain juice.
-------------------- Give me silence, water, hope; Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...
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