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OfflineNalim
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There is nothing natural about life
    #7900361 - 01/19/08 03:25 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

not in the way most think of natural anyway.
The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7900381 - 01/19/08 03:36 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i cant wait for the end of the world either


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7900392 - 01/19/08 03:40 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i agree, life is akin to homosexuality :hehehe:


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7900398 - 01/19/08 03:41 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

WE WILL ALL DIE SOON, AND YOU WILL ALL GET FUCKED.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7900410 - 01/19/08 03:46 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

You mean it blows?


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7900510 - 01/19/08 04:53 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

no, it sucks...


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7900547 - 01/19/08 05:28 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I think that sometimes too.

Actually, it is the cold hard truth. We were just the product of lightening coming in contact with the primordial soup till it produced carbon-based molecules complex enough to multiply itself. THUS WAS THE FIRST GENE. So why do I want to find this gay fucking "better reason" or "faith" or some shit? FUCK!


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: CMACD]
    #7900583 - 01/19/08 06:04 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I like to think about how lucky we are that our planet is at such a perfect distance from the sun and has been introduced with the right elements and how the surrounding planets work with us to make life possible on earth, just look at how harsh the other planets are and look at our gorgeous earth!

Also look how far the human race has come thru evolution and if we survive for a million years more how much we will have evolved by then, the universe is on big life/death cycle but you make it sound like bad thing?

|Life is so beutiful and so are our minds, the fact that we can question our existence and our ability to store memorys and strive for a better furture, will ensure our survival for years to come.

I feel sorry for people like you who have such a grim view on the universe, the thought of the grander life/death cycle bring my life into perspective and opportunity, you just seem to see doom and gloom?

We ahve no value over that of a rock or pond yes, we are all basic elements of life, but rocks form mountains and ponds form seas...we are lucky enough to have thoughts that manifest into form, how magical is that!?


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Chronic7]
    #7900593 - 01/19/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

The funny thing is that if you accept this cold truth, you are stuck with the responsibility of giving meaning to your own life yourself. Are you going to let your life be meaningless or are you going to do something that means something to you?

Spirituality can be a valuable tool in this respect. It doesn't have to be the truth for it to work. Maybe this cold process made us into beings that need these tools... Maybe the responsibility of giving meaning to our own lives is too much for (most of) us and we like to have some external framework like a religion to provide this for us.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Chronic7]
    #7900594 - 01/19/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Actually, I was just going along with the thread, which I think was maybe created in a semi-sarcastic matter anyways.

I posted in the "Do you believe in God" thread. That is my REAL OPINION.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: CMACD]
    #7900604 - 01/19/08 06:33 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

All you have to do is look within for the truth, that we are all essentially the same things, we may not be born into socially equaly situations but everyojne and everything is equal, i dont think its a depressing thought at all i think its amazing and makes perfect sense.

I dont see this as telling myself a lie to get by, when you experience sudden realisation of great truth you'll understand, i am not religeous in the slightest but i beleive in finding your own personal truth by looking within, and realising universal truth by conciously dying.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Chronic7]
    #7900654 - 01/19/08 07:26 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

thats one way to look at life. are we really imperfect though? i say to you, beauty must be defined as what we are, or else the concept itself is our enemy. life comes hand in hand with death. would you rather not live and be scared of death? would you rather be a rock? you're alive. thats that. what are YOU going to do about it? are you going to be stuck in an unnatural state of man made life, being a slave to corporate life, or will YOU liberate yourself?


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7900671 - 01/19/08 07:39 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

It's sad when people discard a thought or idea when it stirs up something inside you. I feel chronic has some good ideas and will learn more of spirituality through acts of understanding. At least when you decide to make a difference, it's something that can benefit all of us, rather than easily saying "fuck it, forget it, it's all going to hell so live it up!" I hate that attitude!


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: nmajon]
    #7900798 - 01/19/08 08:47 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

All nature is but art, unknown to thee;
All chance, direction, which thou canst not see;
All discord, harmony not understood;
All partial evil, universal good;
And spite of pride, unerring reason's spite,
One truth is clear, Whatever is, is right.
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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7901277 - 01/19/08 11:37 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I'm not a machine. Although my body might be mechanical in nature, my consciousness is something different.
Although the bible is a work of fiction it does have some excellent quotes and here is one of them
"It is every mans destiny to die"


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Rectul Threat]
    #7901329 - 01/19/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Life was never meant to be, necessarily. It just happened to arise when carbon made some crazy molecules with some other elements. Even our own consciousness may be an illusion created by the extreme complexity of our brain. But I don't really care. I'm alive, and the rest is up to me, however the fuck it is that we all got here.

I don't need life to be 'magic' for my own life to have purpose, if that makes any sense.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: g00ru]
    #7901617 - 01/19/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

We are imperfect, with no value over that of a rock or a pond.





Other than that one line, I thought your whole post was bullshit.


There is an intent driving the universe foward....

It is called Tao.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7901710 - 01/19/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

why is that not natural?
seems pretty basic to me


you mine and everyone else may not matter, but at leased we dont matter just as much as everything else.

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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: Nalim]
    #7901939 - 01/19/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Nalim said:
not in the way most think of natural anyway.
The universe is a cold an harsh place and evolution is a horrible machinery driven by chaos and destruction. The end product of it can only be universal death. Not that that would differ much from how it is now. We're the horrible machines that where spawned from a series of random mutations and accidents. We are cursed in so many ways that it's hard to fully comprehend it. We are imperfect, self-preserving machines with no value over that of a rock or a pond.
We are material things that moves only because of our structure and the laws that govern matter.




its not really hard to comprehend, start thinking of people as these machines and observe their behavior.

we just have the ability to complicate the normal self preservation instincts. thus we can slightly break free of them, this is self awareness.


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Re: There is nothing natural about life [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7901968 - 01/19/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

for the last few months i entertained this belief system, that we were all robots mindlessly doing stupid shit. thinking you have no choice... is still a choice.

you have to realize that this is not the truth, it's just another way of observing the world, and not a particularly valuable one in my opinion. be creative. self awareness is in realizing your creative potential, you can create positive realities and negative realities

we are not robots, life and consciousness is real


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